Lets make an all vintage Snap-on tool picture thread!

snapmom · Apr 18, 2018

The E code probably covers most of 43 also. There are very few examples of the 43 code.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 18, 2018

Here is my ww2 1/4 drive set

d42jeep · Apr 18, 2018

Nice. I don’t have many extras. Is that a 9/32” drive set peeking out on the left? I have one of those that’s missing the little screwdriver bit.
-Don

Oldtuleguy · Apr 18, 2018

I have bunch of 9/32 stuff. Went through a phase. Here's a few of them.

d42jeep · Apr 19, 2018

Wow. That was quite a phase! Are the sockets marked in that really early set? I think I have one that looks similar. You wouldn’t happen to have an extra M-21 screwdriver bit would you?
-Don

Oldtuleguy · Apr 19, 2018

I will check for extras. This is the earliest, probably 26. It has the bottom clasp.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 19, 2018

snapmom said:
The E code probably covers most of 43 also. There are very few examples of the 43 code.

The only 1/4-inch drive tool I have ever seen with a "3" (1943) code is the GM-70-L ratchet in my "Living History" GMTK. While I tend to agree with you that the "E" code probably went into effect earlier than 1944, and it was just more convenient for Snap-on to align it more neatly with 1944 alone, I don't think we can apply that probability to 1/4-inch drive tools. With the writing on the wall, and Snap-on a little behind the curve on the industry move from 9/32- to 1/4-inch drive, they started offering a ratchet (GM-70-L) as early as Catalog O (January 1941), but only because it was easy to make and insert a plug into the same ratchet they had been making for years having a 1/4-inch square drive stud instead of a 9/32-inch square drive stud. Everything else about the ratchet and the drive plug was the same. But they didn't offer any other 1/4-inch drive tool (sockets, extensions, hinge handles) in a catalog until Catalog Q (December 1944), because those required serious re-tooling. It's reasonable to assume they were available for some reasonable amount of time before that, earlier in 1944, but I have never seen a socket or extension or hinged handle marked with a "3," and without that, it would be theoretical only.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 19, 2018

They actually show up in 1937 with the gm70n ratchet. Very rare. Maybe snapmom has some.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 19, 2018

Interesting. With an eye on their wartime conversion, I never really looked back that far. I do see it in the 1939 cat. I don't see it in the 1937 cat unless I'm missing it. What page? Either way, they held out on fully converting pretty darned long.

snapmom · Apr 19, 2018

The top is a GM70N with a 38 code, front is a GM70L with a 42 code.
It is possible the 1/4 tools were made in 43, but the only proof is 44, so right now its best to say its 44 unless something comes up that says otherwise.

Have you ever noticed the offset in the screw position on some of the early and mid 40s 9/32 and 1/4 rats.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 19, 2018

That's the wartime collector's position in a nutshell, snapmom.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 19, 2018

I have a few of the m70n ratchets, all 37 38, and they were not eas to come by. That gm70n must be pretty rare.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 20, 2018

As first reported in the 2018 Garage Sale thread, I picked up a wartime era crowsfoot attachment this morning at the flea market, size 1-3/8". Not the mess of them that Don (d42jeep) and jusridin each picked up recently, but I was happy to spot it.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 21, 2018

Picked a pair of 1/2-inch square drive sockets from the flea market this morning, a 9/16" 6-point from earliest known production (1920-1924), with the mid-wall band of knurling and the SO overstrike stamping, and a wartime SW-190 19/32" with a 1944 ("E") marking.

Private Lugnutz · Apr 21, 2018

I had a hunch the spark plug socket I posted in a mystery brand thread, linked here, marked only with a Federal Stock Number (41-W-3328) looked like Snap-on, and 3baygarage helped confirm it with a link to a Snap-on branded and Navy (NAF-marked) version on eBay. The excerpt below is from a 1945 US Army Ordnance Dept manual.

d42jeep · Apr 21, 2018

Based on the knurling, I vote Plomb, but I could be wrong.
-Don

Private Lugnutz · Apr 21, 2018

Hmm. You may be right.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 21, 2018

Yes the snap on knurling is typically lower and wider

Private Lugnutz · Apr 21, 2018

Apparently not on these types of spark plug sockets, though. Check out the link in 3bay's post, here. What's a bit of a head-scratcher is that these look more like 30's sockets, not wartime sockets.

snapmom · Apr 21, 2018

Two diff. S/O

3baygarage · Apr 21, 2018

Well I think that settles it based on the knurling.

Both companies made versions of other miltary plug sockets too.

d42jeep · Apr 21, 2018

Here is another Snap-on design.
-Don

Private Lugnutz · Apr 21, 2018

3baygarage said:
Well I think that settles it based on the knurling.

It does look closer to the tangent diamond pattern on Plomb's.

3baygarage · Apr 22, 2018

d42jeep said:
Here is another Snap-on design.
-Don

Yep that’s one of them. Quite an interesting old socket with that rotating ring.

The other type of has the external square on the bottom to turn with a wrench, and Plomb also made one.

snapmom · Apr 22, 2018

some more

d42jeep · Apr 22, 2018

snapmom said:
The top is a GM70N with a 38 code, front is a GM70L with a 42 code.
It is possible the 1/4 tools were made in 43, but the only proof is 44, so right now its best to say its 44 unless something comes up that says otherwise.

Have you ever noticed the offset in the screw position on some of the early and mid 40s 9/32 and 1/4 rats.

My 9/32” ratchets are pretty far offset but they got my 1/4” ratchet slightly more even. They must have machined those by eye.
-Don

Oldtuleguy · Apr 22, 2018

snapmom said:
I do like to collect pullers. One is a CJ66 from about 1960, had to piece together a spring for it, the slide hammer is a No. 66 from about 1940.

Here is my old slide hammer puller set

Oldtuleguy · Apr 22, 2018

d42jeep said:
My 9/32” ratchets are pretty far offset but they got my 1/4” ratchet slightly more even. They must have machined those by eye.
-Don

Those are offset!

snapmom · Apr 22, 2018

But: is the offset the screws or the cut out for the selector switch.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 22, 2018

Yes, looks like the cut out is off!

snapmom · Apr 23, 2018

PF-70-N industrial rat. 37 code. No Snap on name.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 23, 2018

That is a very early ferret ratchet. Does it show any other markings?

humber2 · Apr 23, 2018

snapmom said:
some more

My question is why the Y code shown on at least three sockets?

And is the longest one a normal deep socket 7/16 Whitworth?

The 14mm sparkplug hex is one size that SAE, Metric and Whitworth/BS coincide with 13/16, 20.8 (21), and 7/16W or 1/2BS all in tolerance.

We are certainly not short of options....

snapmom · Apr 23, 2018

Oldtuleguy said:
That is a very early ferret ratchet. Does it show any other markings?

No other markings. Its the only one I have seen.

snapmom · Apr 23, 2018

humber2 said:
My question is why the Y code shown on at least three sockets?

And is the longest one a normal deep socket 7/16 Whitworth?

The 14mm sparkplug hex is one size that SAE, Metric and Whitworth/BS coincide with 13/16, 20.8 (21), and 7/16W or 1/2BS all in tolerance.

We are certainly not short of options....

The Y is used on Snap on Aircraft socks.
http://collectingsnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs.php?loggedin=0&catalogPage=641

All are SAE. I have not seen a SO whitworth sparkplug socket.

I have some side collections, one is BP and SO aircraft and another is BP and SO whitworth.

Oldtuleguy · Apr 23, 2018

Nice find! It is interesting there are no markings.

humber2 · Apr 23, 2018

snapmom said:
The Y is used on Snap on Aircraft socks.
http://collectingsnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs.php?loggedin=0&catalogPage=641

All are SAE. I have not seen a SO whitworth sparkplug socket.

I have some side collections, one is BP and SO aircraft and another is BP and SO whitworth.

My confusion, Y6 I take to be 7/8"

The current version S6106 has a wire retaining clip to hold the plug and a hex head.

snapmom · Apr 23, 2018

The Y6 is a 7/8. It is made just like the SO deep whitworth cept it is 6 pt.
The Y4 is a 1"

Oldtuleguy · Apr 23, 2018

Here is a 36 ferret ratchet. Looks like newer versions but logo stamp is larger

Mintgrun · Apr 23, 2018

I have this one pair of Snap-On Vacuum Grip pliers

and another pair of side cutters with no name on them, but a bit of reading on AA's site told me they were probably made by the Forged Steel Products Co. It was interesting to read about their relationship with Snap-On.

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