New Milwaukee Products!
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kctyphoon
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How many years did it take them to make a hammer? Lol
DerekV
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It's been a few days and I think all of the new stuff has officially sunken in for me. I think this might be one of the best NPSs to date. There are only two things that I think they dropped the ball on, especially considering how well they executed the vast majority of the new products: 1) new miter saw doesn't have forward-style rails (for use up against a wall) and 2) the M12 torque wrench doesn't measure angle or go higher than 150 lb/ft.
The forward rails aren't a big deal I guess, but I've been on the market for a miter saw like that a few years now, corded or cordless, doesn't matter. Something that can go up against a wall with a shadow line that doesn't **** doesn't exist currently. You can get some of those features, but not all of them. I'm not a professional woodworker, so Festool is 100% out of the equation. The Makita one looks awesome but I've heard way too many quality issues with them to consider them as an option. Milwaukee seems to go above and beyond to reinvent the wheel with everything, so I'm really surprised they got "lazy" with their miter saw offerings. But hey, at least their chrome sockets won't roll away from you
No angle measurement on a digital torque wrench literally makes zero sense. The only reason I can think they didn't include it is from not thinking to include it...maybe the idea of an M12 torque wrench came from a summer intern or someone who's never actually looked into what's available in the torque wrench market haha. I'm guessing the 150 lb/ft limit has something to do with tool rigidity, but 250 lb/ft is what I consider standard for a 1/2" torque wrench, so it's a bummer they couldn't find a way to make it happen. They must be targeting tire techs since 150 is enough to cover most non-commercial vehicles on the road. They're commanding a pretty proud price for something that's just a neat novelty, as it falls short on some of the most basic requirements for a high end digital TW (angle, strength, flex head, etc.).
The forward rails aren't a big deal I guess, but I've been on the market for a miter saw like that a few years now, corded or cordless, doesn't matter. Something that can go up against a wall with a shadow line that doesn't **** doesn't exist currently. You can get some of those features, but not all of them. I'm not a professional woodworker, so Festool is 100% out of the equation. The Makita one looks awesome but I've heard way too many quality issues with them to consider them as an option. Milwaukee seems to go above and beyond to reinvent the wheel with everything, so I'm really surprised they got "lazy" with their miter saw offerings. But hey, at least their chrome sockets won't roll away from you
No angle measurement on a digital torque wrench literally makes zero sense. The only reason I can think they didn't include it is from not thinking to include it...maybe the idea of an M12 torque wrench came from a summer intern or someone who's never actually looked into what's available in the torque wrench market haha. I'm guessing the 150 lb/ft limit has something to do with tool rigidity, but 250 lb/ft is what I consider standard for a 1/2" torque wrench, so it's a bummer they couldn't find a way to make it happen. They must be targeting tire techs since 150 is enough to cover most non-commercial vehicles on the road. They're commanding a pretty proud price for something that's just a neat novelty, as it falls short on some of the most basic requirements for a high end digital TW (angle, strength, flex head, etc.).
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sweet victory
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The person on their FB told me the 1" impact was supposed to be out last year. I wouldn't take anything the marketing intern says as fact...
Back In The Saddle
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Source on that? I've been looking up news stories, but no one is mentioning a 1/2 inch set.
techieman33
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It's been a few days and I think all of the new stuff has officially sunken in for me. I think this might be one of the best NPSs to date. There are only two things that I think they dropped the ball on, especially considering how well they executed the vast majority of the new products: 1) new miter saw doesn't have forward-style rails (for use up against a wall) and 2) the M12 torque wrench doesn't measure angle or go higher than 150 lb/ft.
The forward rails aren't a big deal I guess, but I've been on the market for a miter saw like that a few years now, corded or cordless, doesn't matter. Something that can go up against a wall with a shadow line that doesn't **** doesn't exist currently. You can get some of those features, but not all of them. I'm not a professional woodworker, so Festool is 100% out of the equation. The Makita one looks awesome but I've heard way too many quality issues with them to consider them as an option. Milwaukee seems to go above and beyond to reinvent the wheel with everything, so I'm really surprised they got "lazy" with their miter saw offerings. But hey, at least their chrome sockets won't roll away from you
No angle measurement on a digital torque wrench literally makes zero sense. The only reason I can think they didn't include it is from not thinking to include it...maybe the idea of an M12 torque wrench came from a summer intern or someone who's never actually looked into what's available in the torque wrench market haha. I'm guessing the 150 lb/ft limit has something to do with tool rigidity, but 250 lb/ft is what I consider standard for a 1/2" torque wrench, so it's a bummer they couldn't find a way to make it happen. They must be targeting tire techs since 150 is enough to cover most non-commercial vehicles on the road. They're commanding a pretty proud price for something that's just a neat novelty, as it falls short on some of the most basic requirements for a high end digital TW (angle, strength, flex head, etc.).
It sounded like mechanics is a secondary market for this wrench. Their primary market was electricians. Terminating panels, solar installs, etc. And for that 150ft/lbs is plenty. And recording the final torque readings is supposed to be great for showing the inspector.
During the demo video it sounded like they had a lot of trouble developing this tool, especially the computerized part of it, said it was the first time they've done all of that in house. So maybe they hit a deadline and got it this far to be able to start mass production. Of course this leaves a lot of room for gen 2 to improve as well.
It's been a few days and I think all of the new stuff has officially sunken in for me. I think this might be one of the best NPSs to date. There are only two things that I think they dropped the ball on, especially considering how well they executed the vast majority of the new products: 1) new miter saw doesn't have forward-style rails (for use up against a wall) and 2) the M12 torque wrench doesn't measure angle or go higher than 150 lb/ft.
The forward rails aren't a big deal I guess, but I've been on the market for a miter saw like that a few years now, corded or cordless, doesn't matter. Something that can go up against a wall with a shadow line that doesn't **** doesn't exist currently. You can get some of those features, but not all of them. I'm not a professional woodworker, so Festool is 100% out of the equation. The Makita one looks awesome but I've heard way too many quality issues with them to consider them as an option. Milwaukee seems to go above and beyond to reinvent the wheel with everything, so I'm really surprised they got "lazy" with their miter saw offerings. But hey, at least their chrome sockets won't roll away from you
No angle measurement on a digital torque wrench literally makes zero sense. The only reason I can think they didn't include it is from not thinking to include it...maybe the idea of an M12 torque wrench came from a summer intern or someone who's never actually looked into what's available in the torque wrench market haha. I'm guessing the 150 lb/ft limit has something to do with tool rigidity, but 250 lb/ft is what I consider standard for a 1/2" torque wrench, so it's a bummer they couldn't find a way to make it happen. They must be targeting tire techs since 150 is enough to cover most non-commercial vehicles on the road. They're commanding a pretty proud price for something that's just a neat novelty, as it falls short on some of the most basic requirements for a high end digital TW (angle, strength, flex head, etc.).
I’m not exactly sure what tire techs make but I know they can’t afford a $700 torque wrench. Your clueless intern theory on the other hand is plausible.
What? The CEO doesn’t run the FB account? Elon runs Tesla’s Twitter.
Im guessing because they can’t even keep up with the plethora of Taiwan socket sets so nobody cares. Especially since Milwaukee import hardline tools tend to be priced like USA industrial brands.
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Their employer can easily afford it. And if the one key can be linked to the shops computer system it can automagically set the torque for each vehicle and check the correct number of lugs have been torqued.
Fedwrench
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You Tube has at least one video where they show the 15 & 24 inch 1/2 drive breaker bars and the 1/2 drive sets.
kctyphoon
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It actually was suppose to be out last year. They had a 6 month long delay on it according to the demo guy this year.
kctyphoon
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Yea saw those — its on the video with the tool cart i think.
kctyphoon
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I Think the idea behind the torque wrench is really to record the torque values, so contractors can submit their values as proof, when they send in a completion package seeking payment.
Ive seen wire pulling machines like this online, never used one myself. So some companies will require a data sheet recording force values of important wire pulls. Like - “you may not exceed 600lbs of pulling force through the entire 1000’ pull”. And the machine will record the force foot by foot, and allow you to transfer than info for download and printing. It keeps everyone honest- so if the cable doesnt work, you know if its likely a defective cable, or you can look and see if the installer did something he shouldn’t have.
So say if you have an assembly line where a guy tightens the same 10 bolts on different machines - all day. You can record each value, for each bolt, on each machine - and submit proof to the customer everything was done to spec.
I honestly cant see why a regular garage mechanic would ever need or PAY for that - to use in a general auto shop. But thats just my guess. I think where it shine would be an assembly line. Imagine being able to use one tool to drive bolts in, torque them, and record everything. You’d literally eliminate 2 out 3 steps - and do everything with one tool that would never need to be put down. That can amount to a huge savings in time alone. To go from a ratchet, switch to a torque wrench, put that down and record the values of each bolt with a pen and paper, then transfer that to digital records... you could knock 2/3 of the time off all that.
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DerekV
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I didn’t catch the notes regarding the design challenges, that’s good to know though. I still think 150 lb/ft is a little weak for a 1/2” drive TW.
DerekV
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The 150 lb/ft 1/2” drive digital power TW without angle or flex head seems like a bizarre tool to me. Tire tech, any tech, who knows who’d use that thing. Employers might buy it. Employees have no trouble racking up $700 on the tool trucks.
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Back In The Saddle
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Thanks, I found a good one:
Guess I'm still pretty old fashioned; never considered going to youtube, where people have the actual presentations!
As a retired fleet mechanic looking to set up a personal garage, the offerings Milwaukee showed are very impressive! They mention they will start selling individual sockets which is a plus to fill out the tool box. I know many feel it's just another 'Chinese socket set' but I think the design is pretty neat that it will set itself apart from the rest of the market. It will be interesting to see some real life usage data on some of these tools they are showing, especially those die grinders, which I recall putting straight hours of usage on some when having to clean up multiple sets of wheels.
That digital torque wrench is pretty neat, for a first go around at this. Double the torque (at least) and cut the price (preferably) in half, and you'll have a force to be reckoned with.
white91formula
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I know that this going to stir the pot, but here it goes anyways.
Those who were wishing for a M18 mower may not be out of luck entirely. I did some digging on google patents and came across a couple patents that have "lawn mower" in it. Maybe for next year or next spring.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180366697A1/en?q=lawn+mower&assignee=milwaukee+tool
There may also still be hope for a compressor. One of the illustrations shows a variety of tools that are compatible with the batteries, including a compressor.
In addition to that there is some more images with what appears to be a new battery design that looks bigger. The images for that show tools compatible wiht it including a jackhammer, new stand light and generator.
Take it for what its worth, but it could be coming for next year
Those who were wishing for a M18 mower may not be out of luck entirely. I did some digging on google patents and came across a couple patents that have "lawn mower" in it. Maybe for next year or next spring.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180366697A1/en?q=lawn+mower&assignee=milwaukee+tool
There may also still be hope for a compressor. One of the illustrations shows a variety of tools that are compatible with the batteries, including a compressor.
In addition to that there is some more images with what appears to be a new battery design that looks bigger. The images for that show tools compatible wiht it including a jackhammer, new stand light and generator.
Take it for what its worth, but it could be coming for next year
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Handyandy23
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I work in a large assembly plant, and all of our torque monitored tools record torque, angle, rundown, etc and feed back to control boxes (which then record the data to specified locations). These are for safety regulations. All of the tools are Atlas Copco as they have a full cohesive system, tons of tool styles and types, and tons of types of cables and controllers for anything you need.
This new Milwaukee torque wrench would have to fit a very tight niche, somewhere between a tire tech and a larger assembly plant. Maybe a small operation with non-cyclic work that doesn't currently use data logging for torque values but could see the advantage to it? I just can't see any larger operations changing over when the features and support Milwaukee has to offer at this point are a drop in the bucket compared to the bigger players like Atlas Copco.
Add me to the list of people confused about who will actually buy one. But I'm sure someone will.
dnschmidt
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Kctyphoon, I like you, am a Milwaukee fanboy with more of their tools than I can count. However, in the case of high drainage tools, Makita got this right with their two battery 36V platform. I have their leaf blower, their rear handle circular saw and their battery powered track saw all of which work off of the 36V system and they are fantastic. Unless there is some major Li-I breakthrough Milwaukee can't simply continue to make physically bigger and bigger 18V batteries. Ohm's law is the law and with 36V you can use finer wire and dissipate fewer amps for the same power output. Why Milwaukee seems so incredibly stubborn on 18V is a mystery to me. Just put the suckers in series like Makita does.
kctyphoon
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I’m wondering if we’re gonna see this on the mower.. - i dunno if i can see an 18v mower delivering what Milwaukee tries to chase. Videos on the dual 20v battery dewalt mower are not impressive at all.. i hope they dont **** this up, people have been waiting..
Dewalt made a BIG mistake selling their 20v mower with 5.0 batteries..
Ill bet Milwaukee will release theirs with a 12.0 with another “free” 12.0 included.. even if they dont run it as a 36v mower - I’d think a 24amp hr 18v battery might suffice, but fall a bit short of what people are really hoping for. . they’d need to get at least 30 minutes outta this thing... and if it cant cut a lawn, that shoulda been cut a week ago - i wouldnt even consider it.
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kctyphoon
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Farmall450
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It'll overheat well before you see that out of one 18v battery.
Agreed. The DeWalt mower is OK for town use (what it's intended for) but both need a flex volt/2x for serious use.
kctyphoon
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I was meaning the Milwaukee would prob be a dual battery no matter what. Im figuring they'll us a "one free battery" marketing to knock the price down and be more competitive with other mowers.
It'll be a huge fail right from the start to do a single battery mower.
It'll be a huge fail right from the start to do a single battery mower.
Voi
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I have the first generation Makita X2 mower & I tend to agree. It's a useful second mower for our spread out & somewhat large yard but if my 15 year old gas mower died tomorrow I would likely go buy another gas mower. Hopefully Makita will come out with an X4 mower before my gas mower dies. Or an X2 Flexvolt as somebody else mentioned.
I really like my X2 blower & chainsaw as well as my two 18 volt string trimmers so I have no bias against cordless electric OPE.
To keep this post more on thread topic, I'm bummed the M12 Surge was introduced just as my deck project started. I just can't push it off until the estimated August release date.
Does anybody know it's nose to heel length? Same size as the most recent M12 hex? I know there is a NPS video but I can't watch it on my cabin Wi-Fi.
dnschmidt
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The M18 surge isn't that much bigger. Just go that way.
Sanny81
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I never knew I wanted something as much as I want that die grinder!
Voi
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I'm already heavily invested in Makita 18V & want more tools in the M12 lineup.
I'll pick up the Makita pulse driver for the deck & add the M12 later unless I decide to keep my current Makita impact.
ScottsGT
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LOL! I once added a washer to break the $100 mark. Item I bought was also a pre-order item. By the time the order got to me, I was like WTF is this washer in here for?
kctyphoon
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Wonder if this is gonna be a revival of the M28 line.. whatever it is, that looks like a big battery pack. Completely different than M18.
Ign
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Goddamnit I've been saying this for a decade now.... MILWAUKEE HAS THE SOLUTION ALREADY: M28
They've simply chosen to pretend it doesn't exist.
And on big tools like a mower or table saw they could even do M28 x 2
There are 5.0's in AU and EU. Here we can still only get the 3.0s
But if they applied the same technology and cells they're now putting in the High Demand stuff....holy **** watch out
An M28 here is virtually no different in size than an M18 12.0.....so any arguments that the M28 batts are too big falls flat
kctyphoon
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$169 bare tool and it was the fall 2019, dont remember month, but thats irrelevant as they have rarely been on schedule lately.
October they say. Unless something really goes awry they'll have it on the market for holiday shopping for sure.
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Just wondered if anyone has a setup to rack Packout trays in the workshop, similar to this:
I was just going to buy one of those cheap cabinet shells that have 20 shelf pin holes in the sides, but maybe there's a better way?
I can see that he does not have full width shelves.
I was just going to buy one of those cheap cabinet shells that have 20 shelf pin holes in the sides, but maybe there's a better way?
I can see that he does not have full width shelves.
ScottsGT
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I built this using aluminum angle for these. I would have gone with the packouts if they were around when I did this.
Electric
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Nice! Now label those bins so you have a chance at pulling the right one out first time!
I am going to get busy and build me one of those.
I am going to get busy and build me one of those.
ScottsGT
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Old pic. Already did!
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This is what I ended up with after buying:
1 sheet 4x8' 3/4" paint grade plywood
3 eight foot lengths of 1/16"x2" aluminum angle
4 ninety-degree corner brackets to reinforce the back side corners
4 casters from Princess auto
If you put the rails on a 5 1/2" pitch, you can stack two of the thin clear-top cases on one shelf.
Note that the width of the other boxes (with opaque lids) is different/wider. I'll have to build a second rack in my copious spare time.
1 sheet 4x8' 3/4" paint grade plywood
3 eight foot lengths of 1/16"x2" aluminum angle
4 ninety-degree corner brackets to reinforce the back side corners
4 casters from Princess auto
If you put the rails on a 5 1/2" pitch, you can stack two of the thin clear-top cases on one shelf.
Note that the width of the other boxes (with opaque lids) is different/wider. I'll have to build a second rack in my copious spare time.
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