Show us your cool, "old" drill press

bubinga · Nov 3, 2019

xman_charl said:
installed these dc motors several years ago.

sure work great...

Charl

I have one like on the left.
Almost a regular 56 Frame, mounts right up to the motor mount plate, And took a regular keyed 5/8" pulley.
So they are not all a PITA.
If you're worried about loosing torque, Build a jack shaft to slow it down, so You can run your DC motor at High(er) RPM's.

Outlawmws · Nov 3, 2019

406Rich said:
Whats the consensus on installing the treadmill motors, I acquired a 2.5 HP treadmill motor, thinking about using it with a variable speed control. pros/cons any help appreciated. I've watched half a dozen or so videos on them...

Here is my build, and I've seen literally dozens of small mills and lathes setup with them with NO HP or speed issues. I used a single pulley on mine and used the lager pulley on the spindle to "slow" it some (not a ton) I've had it cutting at VERY slow speeds and pretty big hole saws and larger drills and have yet to lack for HP.

I know the theory on the lost HP but the MC controllers will actually compensate for load and keep the speeds at what you set on free wheel. I've NEVER stooped it...

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159224

406Rich · Nov 3, 2019

Davefr said:
The challenges are the mounting, the pulley and the electronic controller.

Treadmill motors are usually face mount and most DP's use a base mount. The next challenge will be mounting the pulley. (Shaft size, length, etc.) You might not be able to even mount the original DP pulley onto a treadmill motor. You can usually use a single step pulley but that will preclude the ability to pick and change to the most optimal pulley steps.

The next challenge will be to get the controller components and mount it in an enclosure (usually quite large).

Unless you have a cheap treadmill motor and all the electronics then it might not be worth the hassle.

IMHO a 1+ H.P. 3 phase motor and VFD is a much simpler project. (basically plug and play). The VFD is small and self contained and you can usually find cheap 3 phase motors with the right shaft dimensions and mount.

bubinga said:
I have one like on the left.
Almost a regular 56 Frame, mounts right up to the motor mount plate, And took a regular keyed 5/8" pulley.
So they are not all a PITA.
If you're worried about loosing torque, Build a jack shaft to slow it down, so You can run your DC motor at High(er) RPM's.

Outlawmws said:
Here is my build, and I've seen literally dozens of small mills and lathes setup with them with NO HP or speed issues. I used a single pulley on mine and used the lager pulley on the spindle to "slow" it some (not a ton) I've had it cutting at VERY slow speeds and pretty big hole saws and larger drills and have yet to lack for HP.

I know the theory on the lost HP but the MC controllers will actually compensate for load and keep the speeds at what you set on free wheel. I've NEVER stooped it...

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159224

Here's my thoughts, have my original treadmill motor pulley cut with a v-groove for the belt, motor not an issue to mount on the old Canedy-Otto drill press, have almost all the parts except pulley to build a slow speed third pulley much like the walker/Turner style setups, buy or build the variable speed control, I don't have the original electronics from the treadmill...by the way the spindle pulley is a six step with the large pulley at 7.5 inches on the inside....

xman_charl · Nov 3, 2019

original drill press just 2 pulleys...what a joke that was

got other pulley assembly from Grizzly

very rarely change belts, as speed control works great

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Charl

xman_charl · Nov 3, 2019

here are photos

Charl

mike_paxton · Nov 5, 2019

Went to Estate Sale of a deceased 102 year old WW2 veteran who served in WW2, was shot/captured and put in a German POW camp. Later escaped with a fellow soldier but was recaptured and spent total of 2 years in total before being liberated.

In going though items in his various small workshops he had on his property, came across a Walker Turner Driver Line DP101 drill press which reminded me of my Hamilton Sensitive drill press.

Several user modifications and arch of shame on table, plus repainted by previous owner with paint brush, but it all still works.

Sometimes the stories we get are more important than the items we buy.

Mike

bargainhuntingking · Nov 8, 2019

Show us your cool, "old" drill press

mike_paxton; said:
Went to Estate Sale of a deceased 102 year old WW2 veteran who served in WW2, was shot/captured and put in a German POW camp. Later escaped with a fellow soldier but was recaptured and spent total of 2 years in total before being liberated...

Sometimes the stories we get are more important than the items we buy.

Mike

Amen to that Mike! Just finished reading “A fighter pilot in Buchenwald” by J. Moser. It’s the most moving World War II testimonial that I’ve ever read. Completely heartbreaking to read what some men do to their fellow man. Unbelievable. I can’t wrap my head around the cruelty. Extremely disturbing, but I couldn’t put it down.

Meanwhile back on thread. I spotted this in my local Re-Store today. A clamp on manual Millers Falls No. 210 bench drill press. I didn’t buy it because the price was a little steep, but I sure was tempted:

The ad was from American Machinist, August 27th, 1914

PhantomEB · Nov 8, 2019

Started to bring back to life, this old unit of my buddy’s dad who’s passed away years ago. Waiting for the tool store to have the side cabinet I want for its base to get back in stock so I can get that started. It’s become a fun project away from the house Reno’s or toys. GF has come out several times, you still working on that rust eh?

gatewaysysop · Nov 9, 2019

gatewaysysop said:
I really like the styling on these, how well built and easy they are to work on.

Currently hunting for a second one, just because.

And as luck would have it, I recently came across something serviceable.

Here's #2 after being fixed up. Got to use my spare multi-speed pulley and a table lift I had been squirreling away too:

Reversepolarity · Nov 9, 2019

Finally got the belt guard mounted on the Buffalo no. 18

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Oregon rock crusher · Nov 9, 2019

I spent some time re-organizing the shop today and decided to get a couple pictures of my Mechanics Machine Company drills. I've had the big 32" upright sliding head drill (camelback) for quite a while and restored it in 2006. The spindle shaft is well over 9' high when the sliding head is near the top of the slide. This is the only place I could put it where it was still usable but didn't dominate the shop. The nice little No. 1 friction drive drill I bought a year or so ago from GJ member crguy. It runs beautifully but I'm changing up the drive a little so a work in progress. I intended to post pics of the two drills together earlier but have finally got around to it.

Mechanics Machine Company was founded by future Rockford Ill. Industrialist Levin Faust and two other Inventive mechanics in 1890 with the invention of a small friction drive drill as shown in the pictures. Early on they successfully marketed a quantity of the friction drive drills to a distributor in Chicago. They were then able to expand the line with several sizes of upright drills as well as a No. 2 friction drill which I believe is a floor model.

Eventually MMC sold their drill line to the Rockford drilling machine company and got into manufacturing U-joints and drive components for the exploding automobile industry. They joined with a few other firms in the late 20's I believe and formed Borg Warner. Both of these drills are very rare. These are the only 32" upright drill and No. 1 friction drill I have found in years of online searching. Ed.

jabberwoki · Nov 9, 2019

Mmm I`m gunna have to visit you mate.

crguy · Nov 9, 2019

Oregon rock crusher said:
I spent some time re-organizing the shop today and decided to get a couple pictures of my Mechanics Machine Company drills. I've had the big 32" upright sliding head drill (camelback) for quite a while and restored it in 2006. The spindle shaft is well over 9' high when the sliding head is near the top of the slide. This is the only place I could put it where it was still usable but didn't dominate the shop. The nice little No. 1 friction drive drill I bought a year or so ago from GJ member crguy. It runs beautifully but I'm changing up the drive a little so a work in progress. I intended to post pics of the two drills together earlier but have finally got around to it.
Ed.

It's looking good Ed. You're the perfect guy to have it. :thumbup:

Oregon rock crusher · Nov 9, 2019

jabberwoki said:
Mmm I`m gunna have to visit you mate.

Sounds good. Next time you go on walk about South just take a right in Cherry City and you can't help but end up here.

crguy said:
It's looking good Ed. You're the perfect guy to have it.

Thanks crguy. I very much enjoyed your shop tour while picking it up.

Here are a few picks of a neat little Canedy-Otto drill I was moving around today also. It was mounted on a tall post when I found it at a swap meet a couple years ago. The electric motor has the oil wells on the "top" side so it's designed be mounted inverted. The motor and mount were supplied with the drill. I found a catalog cut but don't have a pic of it. A few pics of the Canedy-Otto with the MMC drills. Ed.

Snaparxon · Nov 9, 2019

Oregon rock crusher said:
I spent some time re-organizing the shop today and decided to get a couple pictures of my Mechanics Machine Company drills. I've had the big 32" upright sliding head drill (camelback) for quite a while and restored it in 2006. The spindle shaft is well over 9' high when the sliding head is near the top of the slide. This is the only place I could put it where it was still usable but didn't dominate the shop. The nice little No. 1 friction drive drill I bought a year or so ago from GJ member crguy. It runs beautifully but I'm changing up the drive a little so a work in progress. I intended to post pics of the two drills together earlier but have finally got around to it.

Mechanics Machine Company was founded by future Rockford Ill. Industrialist Levin Faust and two other Inventive mechanics in 1890 with the invention of a small friction drive drill as shown in the pictures. Early on they successfully marketed a quantity of the friction drive drills to a distributor in Chicago. They were then able to expand the line with several sizes of upright drills as well as a No. 2 friction drill which I believe is a floor model.

Eventually MMC sold their drill line to the Rockford drilling machine company and got into manufacturing U-joints and drive components for the exploding automobile industry. They joined with a few other firms in the late 20's I believe and formed Borg Warner. Both of these drills are very rare. These are the only 32" upright drill and No. 1 friction drill I have found in years of online searching. Ed.

That Cleveland twist drill cabinet looks like it fits in really nice Ed!

81turbota · Nov 9, 2019

I really like those old vertical belt presses. Lots of great ones here! I’m searching for a Walker Turner for a friend.

I have my Grandfather’s Craftsman 150 that has served me well for years.

Oregon rock crusher · Nov 9, 2019

macaxis said:
That Cleveland twist drill cabinet looks like it fits in really nice Ed!

Sure does! Love that cabinet. Go to it nearly every day now for drills and reamers. Great trading day we had this summer. Ed.

bubinga · Nov 10, 2019

Oregon rock crusher said:
Sure does! Love that cabinet. Go to it nearly every day now for drills and reamers. Great trading day we had this summer. Ed.

Man, That's Bad A$$!!! :beer:

Where did you find that?

Oregon rock crusher · Nov 10, 2019

Thanks Bubinga, The Cleveland cabinet was part of a trade with a fellow GJ member this summer. I had mostly Mac and Snap on. He had Plomb, P&C, and Cleveland. Made for a great straight up trade. Ed.

bubinga · Nov 10, 2019

Oregon rock crusher said:
Thanks Bubinga, The Cleveland cabinet was part of a trade with a fellow GJ member this summer. I had mostly Mac and Snap on. He had Plomb, P&C, and Cleveland. Made for a great straight up trade. Ed.

Smokeshow69 · Nov 10, 2019

Oregon rock crusher said:
Thanks Bubinga, The Cleveland cabinet was part of a trade with a fellow GJ member this summer. I had mostly Mac and Snap on. He had Plomb, P&C, and Cleveland. Made for a great straight up trade. Ed.

I am sweating that green plomb top chest hard!

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Oregon rock crusher · Nov 10, 2019

Smokeshow69 said:
I am sweating that green plomb top chest hard!

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Not to get too far off the vintage drills topic but with the help of my young apprentice that Plomb chest cleaned up pretty well Smoke. It has now found a place on the Plomb bench. Wax on wax off... Ed.

Smokeshow69 · Nov 10, 2019

Oregon rock crusher said:
Not to get too far off the vintage drills topic but with the help of my young apprentice that Plomb chest cleaned up pretty well Smoke. It has now found a place on the Plomb bench. Wax on wax off... Ed.

Nice work! Glad to see the kids getting in on the fun!

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damon18 · Nov 11, 2019

thanks to GJ I'm now obsessed with finding a vintage US made benchtop drill press. So I've been watching FB Marketplace, CL, and the Bay as well as hitting estate sales.

No luck so far but this Guardian Power bench model popped up.

Was wondering why it has three US cities and zip codes but was also plainly labeled Made In Taiwan. What's that about?

Craptain · Nov 11, 2019

damon18 said:
thanks to GJ I'm now obsessed with finding a vintage US made benchtop drill press. So I've been watching FB Marketplace, CL, and the Bay as well as hitting estate sales.

No luck so far but this Guardian Power bench model popped up.

Was wondering why it has three US cities and zip codes but was also plainly labeled Made In Taiwan. What's that about?

I believe that the zip codes are for the US tool company that sold them. It was commonplace for a tool distributor to have things badged for them.
As a Taiwanese machine it's probably a reasonable user, but certainly not the quality we would expect from a reputable American made dp.

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exmaxima1 · Nov 11, 2019

damon18 said:
thanks to GJ I'm now obsessed with finding a vintage US made benchtop drill press. So I've been watching FB Marketplace, CL, and the Bay as well as hitting estate sales.

No luck so far but this Guardian Power bench model popped up....

That Guardian looks remarkably like the Craftsman 8-inch press I bought last summer. Different belt guard and switch, but same power & features. I gave full asking price of $20 because it came with a nice tilting vise as well. I wouldn't touch that Guardian though.

Outlawmws · Nov 11, 2019

What Craptain said and/or plain marketing - same reason so many major industrial US cities play so prominently in Asian tool branding - i.e. Chicago, Pittsburgh, even the Japaneses car companies do it - the "Montana" min van?

Th are hoping name affiliation rubs off, or that the buyer just doesn't read past the first recognizable name they see,,,

damon18 · Nov 11, 2019

exmaxima1 said:
That Guardian looks remarkably like the Craftsman 8-inch press I bought last summer. Different belt guard and switch, but same power & features. I gave full asking price of $20 because it came with a nice tilting vise as well. I wouldn't touch that Guardian though.

Thanks exmaxima1, how is your Craftsman badged as to COO?

If I found one like yours that nice I'd definitly go $20 :bounce:

even if it was from Taiwan.

BajaScout · Nov 11, 2019

Not mine but looks like a cool drill press too have.

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/tls/d/escondido-vintage-gilfillan-bros-drill/7014666975.html

Smokeshow69 · Nov 11, 2019

damon18 said:
thanks to GJ I'm now obsessed with finding a vintage US made benchtop drill press. So I've been watching FB Marketplace, CL, and the Bay as well as hitting estate sales.

No luck so far but this Guardian Power bench model popped up.

Was wondering why it has three US cities and zip codes but was also plainly labeled Made In Taiwan. What's that about?

I would hold off if I were you. That is just an older import model but is nowhere near the quality of Xmas older American made drill press. I would consider the tag to almost be deceptive marketing [emoji23]

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lafester · Nov 11, 2019

If we are going for smallest dp here is my little guy.

Late 30s companion drill press. I think it is 6 inch but I have not measured yet.
Just getting it cleaned up now. The spindle is like 3/4 inch.

Outlawmws · Nov 11, 2019

Not sure I've posted this before here:

Electro-Mechano, 1000-10000 RPM variable speed, Chuck, 0-5/32 0 taper

exmaxima1 · Nov 11, 2019

damon18 said:
Thanks exmaxima1, how is your Craftsman badged as to COO?

If I found one like yours that nice I'd definitly go $20 even if it was from Taiwan.

Don't know the COO as I sold the drill press weeks after I got it. Just kept the vise. I have no use for a drill press unless it has at least 5 inches of quill stroke.

Bobioz1 · Nov 12, 2019

Outlawmws said:
What Craptain said and/or plain marketing - same reason so many major industrial US cities play so prominently in Asian tool branding - i.e. Chicago, Pittsburgh, even the Japaneses car companies do it - the "Montana" min van?

Th are hoping name affiliation rubs off, or that the buyer just doesn't read past the first recognizable name they see,,,

The “Montana” minivan was actually a Pontiac, but I know what you mean. It should be a crime.

damon18 · Nov 16, 2019

You guys are a bad influence. I'm on a road trip visiting a sick relative and reflexively checking Facebook Marketplace for tools. Being in SW Ohio instead of Memphis the selection in different.

So I find this, listed $100 and get it for $60.

I'd read a lot about these Craftsman 150 DP but I wasn't ready for just how heavy it is! No way I can use this with a Workmate temp attachment like I was thinking. I can barely lift it.

Couple of questions, it has a pulley set made of wood? That cant be right?

The motor is pretty nice looking, but its marked both 1HP and 1/2HP ?

Does it look complete? Table had a nice lack of drill holes and very little rust on anything.

Worth $60 with a wooden pulley?

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Outlawmws · Nov 16, 2019

Good deal on the 150! Yes, its heavy, and a Workmate mount will be semi permanent, unless you have an overhead gantry crane.. I had a bench-top about that size on a Workmate for years...

If the pulley works and doesn't go ****-eyed, it should work - clearly this was a wood worker's DP!

Smokeshow69 · Nov 17, 2019

Outlawmws said:
Good deal on the 150! Yes, its heavy, and a Workmate mount will be semi permanent, unless you have an overhead gantry crane.. I had a bench-top about that size on a Workmate for years...

If the pulley works and doesn't go ****-eyed, it should work - clearly this was a wood worker's DP!

It is an organic optional 3rd pulley [emoji38]

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damon18 · Nov 17, 2019

Anyone got links to pictures or info about what the original part would have been? I dont know much about drill presses. Is the wooden thing a replacement for an optional slow speed pulley? If so I understand why they carved one themselves when I see an Ebay with a buy price of $225!
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/113970277753

Smokeshow69 said:
It is an organic optional 3rd pulley [emoji38]

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Outlawmws · Nov 17, 2019

Someone here makes an aftermarket third pulley set. if all you do is wood, probably not needed. If steel and you get to about 1/2" or larger, you want that to reduce cutting speeds or you will burn up drill/saw bits...

This thread or Franks Craftsman DP thread should have reference to the guy. I just don't remember...

Smokeshow69 · Nov 17, 2019

Outlawmws said:
Someone here makes an aftermarket third pulley set. if all you do is wood, probably not needed. If steel and you get to about 1/2" or larger, you want that to reduce cutting speeds or you will burn up drill/saw bits...

This thread or Franks Craftsman DP thread should have reference to the guy. I just don't remember...

It is jziggy( spelling?)

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