Frank Mossberg Salesman Board No. 600

four.cycle · Nov 29, 2018

That letter opener is way cool. :thumbup:

The detail on the aerial view of the plant is really quite impressive.

Private Lugnutz - you've got everything I had on Mossberg, and I went through all of those twice looking for anything that resembled "display" or "merchandiser" and sent those all to you in the first go-round.

I'm wondering if it's possible he's got a one-off deal, or if it's simply a case of me not having yet stumbled across the right catalog page. (More likely the latter.)

3baygarage · Nov 29, 2018

Nice pieces guys. I like that letter opener MR X. Here’s the one I have.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281423

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Private Lugnutz · Nov 29, 2018

four.cycle said:
(More likely the latter.)

I never have expectations that any research is exhaustive, BK. We're always finding more. No biggie.

four.cycle · Nov 29, 2018

no kidding? :lol:

.... and here I thought I'd gotten that "list" all completed and I've added no fewer than three new names in two days... the one I just emailed to you this morning is already out of date! :lol:

MR.X · Nov 29, 2018

3baygarage said:
Nice pieces guys. I like that letter opener MR X. Here’s the one I have.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281423

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Cool, plus, according to your link, the price was right.

LesserSon · May 28, 2019

Lugz, yesterday I spotted a FM no361 (is it an oil pan plug tool?) bundled with a C’man underline speeder at Jake’s. Something told me there was a reason to buy it, but I couldn’t recall why, so I regretfully left it. What tools are you missing on this board?

Private Lugnutz · May 28, 2019

LesserSon said:
Lugz, yesterday I spotted a FM no361 (is it an oil pan plug tool?) bundled with a C’man underline speeder at Jake’s. Something told me there was a reason to buy it, but I couldn’t recall why, so I regretfully left it. What tools are you missing on this board?

No worries, LS - I have the No. 361, which is, ironically, a lug nuts speed wrench! :lol:

Here is a visual reference:

MISSING/NEED:

On the top left...
- No. 652 universal joint tool (for installing steerage knuckles)
- No. 624 ratcheting connecting rod wrench, 5/8"
- No. 638 single end wrench (wrist pins)

On the left, in the middle...
- No. 676A double end wrench
- No. 634 double end wrench (spring perch nuts)

Down the middle...
- No. 625 single end socket wrench, 9/16"
- No. 2337 tee-handle speed wrench, 9/16"
- No. 650 hub cap wrench

On the right, in the middle...
- No. 622 double end socket wrench, 9/16" square, (crank shaft main bearing bolt heads)

twertsy · May 29, 2019

Private Lugnutz said:
No worries, LS - I have the No. 361, which is, ironically, a lug nuts speed wrench!

Here is a visual reference:

MISSING/NEED:

On the top left...
- No. 652 universal joint tool (for installing steerage knuckles)
- No. 624 ratcheting connecting rod wrench, 5/8"
- No. 638 single end wrench (wrist pins)

On the left, in the middle...
- No. 676A double end wrench
- No. 634 double end wrench (spring perch nuts)

Down the middle...
- No. 625 single end socket wrench, 9/16"
- No. 2337 tee-handle speed wrench, 9/16"
- No. 650 hub cap wrench

On the right, in the middle...
- No. 622 double end socket wrench, 9/16" square, (crank shaft main bearing bolt heads)

You'll have to dig better next time you come. I know I have a 624 and 650 for example. I don't think we hit the drawers with the specialized wrenches in them the last time you were down.

Private Lugnutz · May 29, 2019

Third time's a charm!

Private Lugnutz · Dec 27, 2019

As I was saying on the Garage Sale thread, I ran into a crapload of fixed socket era tools at the flea market this morning (see Pic 1). The seller cleaned out a 100-year old dilapidated garage. He said everything was hanging on walls with a light fuzz of rust from moisture. Mainly Mossberg, Walden, and Blackhawk, mainly speeders, tee handles, connecting rod wrenches, and those double offset hammer head style wrenches.

First thing I looked for were things I needed for my No. 600 Salesman board (Scroll up a few posts...). I was happy to find this 676-A (see Pics 2 & 3).

When I got it home and cleaned it, I noticed it was a different variant than the hammer head type shown on the board. There are bends in the shank rather than the sockets being fixed to the end of a straight shank. Probably a little later than the board.

r_olson_06 · Dec 27, 2019

Private Lugnutz said:
As I was saying on the Garage Sale thread, I ran into a crapload of fixed socket era tools at the flea market this morning (see Pic 1). The seller cleaned out a 100-year old dilapidated garage. He said everything was hanging on walls with a light fuzz of rust from moisture. Mainly Mossberg, Walden, and Blackhawk, mainly speeders, tee handles, connecting rod wrenches, and those double offset hammer head style wrenches.

First thing I looked for were things I needed for my No. 600 Salesman board (Scroll up a few posts...). I was happy to find this 676-A (see Pics 2 & 3).

When I got it home and cleaned it, I noticed it was a different variant than the hammer head type shown on the board. There are bends in the shank rather than the sockets being fixed to the end of a straight shank. Probably a little later than the board.

Damn. That is a crapton. I see a pail of them about once a year but never in that amount. Is there any Plomb fixed speeders in that batch? Hit me up if you find any you are willing to part with. I have one lonely one that needs some friends.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

Private Lugnutz · Dec 27, 2019

No Plomb. Almost exclusively Walden, Blackhawk, Mossberg, Bog (only 1), Indestro (a couple), and a mfgr I never heard of called Fawson. Here is what I culled out today. I was actually short on cash and I am hoping to go back and grab more tomorrow.

four.cycle · Dec 27, 2019

Private Lugnutz · Dec 27, 2019

You're going to love the little Indestro valve lapper I found, 4.c. It's cute!

four.cycle · Dec 27, 2019

the eggbeater looking thing?

I've seen a lot of those listed on ebay but the sellers all think they're made out of platinum!

Private Lugnutz · Dec 27, 2019

No I have a Duro version of that. It looks like a routine speeder mounted jobbie, but it's tiny. It's soaking. I will post it on the DI thread.

3baygarage · Dec 28, 2019

Phew! Thank goodness this doesn’t fit your board!

Oops! I meant, figured I’d post this here. :lol:

It’s a 1/2” dr No.360 despite what the tag reads.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 28, 2019

That's a cool one with the wood grip and knob.

Here's another empty spot filled on my salesman board from that lot. No. 650 Hub Cap wrenches. Strangely, none of them are marked Mossberg or < M >. But I'm not going to split hairs. Whether these were made by Mossberg or someone was making them for Mossberg and all these outfits (they're simple enough - crude pressed steel...), there's no doubt they're a match.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 28, 2019

And I am completing the trifecta for filling three empty spots on my No. 600 Salesman Board from the flea market lot with this 2337 Tee-Handle wrench.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 28, 2019

I'm slowly getting to the rest of the Mossberg pieces. These don't go on the No. 600 Salesman Board, but I'm going to post them here anyway.

The No. 6080 FOR FORD V-8 CONNECTING ROD NUT Tee handle wrench is a very early and crude approach to Mossberg's connecting rod wrenches. They would make them with a little loop handle and later with a ratcheting end.

I have never seen the Michelin Wheel M'F'D BY BUDD wrench before, in the wild or online or in a catalog or trade journal. Maybe the coolest piece in the lot.

Budd made wheels for Dodge, Ford, Studebaker and others and, in 1923, made a new and improved version of the Michelin-style disc wheels with a steel nut instead of a brass nut, in cooperation with Michelin. Mossberg must have made the rim wrenches for them. I wish it wasn't missing the other end piece, because I'm not even sure what it was, never having seen one before. Guessing some kind of simple rotating end knob.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 30, 2019

These 1300 series "T" handles - the main object of my desire in that fixed socket wrench lot at the flea market - don't hang on the No. 600 Salesman Board, either, obviously. I am pretty sure they're older than the board. They were probably made before 1919. Before Blackhawk and Snap/on even existed, and before their own detachable heavy duty sockets existed. Like their early detachable sockets, they all have a 1/64" oversize tolerance, and they're marked that way.

The last two digits in the model number is the nominal size of the service opening expressed as a number of /64th's! For example, wrench No. 1357 is 57/64".

The only literature I can find that's close on these are ads in hardware store catalogs for the later 2300 series "T" handles, which had the same model numbering scheme (with a different prefix but the last two digits still indicating the number of 64ths...), but the expressed nominal sizing of the opening adhered to a more traditional scheme, and those apparently didn't go up as high in service opening sizes as these 1300 series go.

Private Lugnutz · Dec 30, 2019

Less glare (and in the correct sequence this time!)

3baygarage · Dec 31, 2019

Cool set. Great find all together. Nicely presented too.

four.cycle · Dec 31, 2019

wow!

Private Lugnutz · Feb 16, 2020

This doesn't go on my No. 600 salesman board, but this thread has been expanded enough to Mossberg in general that I'm going to put this Ford reverse gear ratcheting wrench here.

Private Lugnutz · Feb 22, 2020

Here is another Ford hub cap wrench stand-in (not made by Mossberg) for my Mossberg No. 600 board. (See post #58.) That makes six (6) of them now, none marked Mossberg No. 650. :lol:

This is a goodie, though. A Ford script (8-11-1920) Model T T-1349 with what I suspect is an early Moore Drop Forge mark.

r_olson_06 · Feb 22, 2020

Private Lugnutz said:
Here is another Ford hub cap wrench stand-in (not made by Mossberg) for my Mossberg No. 600 board. (See post #58.) That makes six (6) of them now, none marked Mossberg No. 650. [emoji38]

This is a goodie, though. A Ford script (8-11-1920) Model T T-1349 with what I suspect is an early Moore Drop Forge mark.

Do you have a group shot of the board with your updates?

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Private Lugnutz · Feb 22, 2020

Thanks for the prompt, Roy!

UPDATE:

MISSING/NEED:

At the top, on the left...
- No. 652 universal joint tool (for installing steerage knuckles)

On the left, in the middle...
- No. 624 ratcheting connecting rod wrench, 5/8" (the place-holder hanging there is the non-ratcheting version)
- No. 638 single end wrench (wrist pins)
- No. 634 double end wrench (spring perch nuts)

At the top, right in the middle...
- No. 625 single end socket wrench, 9/16"

r_olson_06 · Feb 22, 2020

Private Lugnutz said:
Thanks for the prompt, Roy!

UPDATE:

MISSING/NEED:

At the top, on the left...
- No. 652 universal joint tool (for installing steerage knuckles)

On the left, in the middle...
- No. 624 ratcheting connecting rod wrench, 5/8" (the place-holder hanging there is the non-ratcheting version)
- No. 638 single end wrench (wrist pins)
- No. 634 double end wrench (spring perch nuts)

At the top, right in the middle...
- No. 625 single end socket wrench, 9/16"

Looking good. Narrowing in on the finish line.

Sent from my XT1710-02 using The Garage Journal mobile app

lardy1 · Feb 22, 2020

Impressive.

Farmer J. · Feb 22, 2020

It's looking good now with most of the hooks filled..

Private Lugnutz · Feb 22, 2020

Thanks, guys. If I can just find a 652 (upper left), I plan to recreate the label in the middle.

3baygarage · Feb 23, 2020

Had the ratcheting wrench in my hands today but didn’t realize you needed it. Don’t worry, it was likely 2 or 3 times the going rate. High priced tool seller.

Private Lugnutz · Mar 27, 2020

Huge shout out to GJ'er wcemail, who was willing to sell me a Mossberg 624 ratcheting connecting rod wrench for my No. 600 Salesman Board. He just found it a few days ago. His thread querying for info (and my shameless inquiry about its availability

) is linked here. Good dude.

Good demonstration of just how hard it is to fill this board, too. I don't know if it's earlier or later, but it's not the kind with the twisted handle that is shown in the ads or on the original graphic layout that is still on the back of the board. (If you scroll up to post #69 you'll see what I mean.) It's offset, and it ratchets, but it has a straight handle with a little paddle shape to it. Pretty cool, actually. Precariously perched. But a great stand-in, and if I never run into one with a twisted handle, I won't care too much.

Thanks, again, Warren!
:beer:

Silverbear07 · Jun 23, 2020

I know this thread is old, but how far were you able to get filling the display?

Private Lugnutz · Jun 23, 2020

Thanks for your interest. See post #68 from February for the latest update.

MShaw · Jun 24, 2020

I do clock repairs and one of the least intrusive way to preserve a label is to cut a piece of plexiglass and mount it covering the label with a few small screws. Preservation without the danger of damaging label.

Private Lugnutz · Jun 24, 2020

Thanks for your input, M.

Private Lugnutz · Aug 14, 2020

Picked up this iconic 1902 "A-1" bike wrench this morning at the flea market.

Targa68 · Mar 23, 2021

Hi All

Another nice bike wrench, "STERLING" NO1

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