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Oregon rock crusher

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Bringing this back up for the moment, I've recently finished the last major mod to my 1956 Sheldon lathe: Drawers!

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I refitted some feet, and later, added panels and a door to enclose the motor end. Make it look more like a real cabinet lathe, y'know? :D

When I did that, I also added extra framing at the tailstock end in order to eventually add drawers, and over the last two months, as I've had time, I've finally fitted and finished those drawers.

Threee of which are just miscellaneous storage, with some eBay rubber drawer liner to cushion things a bit, but the third one down I fitted specifically to hold my collection of 5C collets:

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It's been effectively my main lathe for a decade now, and it's finally damn near done. I still need to do some repairs to the cross-slide, but apart from that, it's 100%.

Doc.

Nice looking Sheldon lathe Doc and I really like the cabinet. You can never have too much tooling storage handy and organized like that. Love the collet drawer. Very nice layout. ED.

Here's a 1974 NOS 12x36 Craftsman still in the crate i had few years back. With packing slip which was stapled to the crate.



Nice NOS craftsman lathe wrenchguy. That's sure not something you see every day there and you even have the shipping invoice. Very nice. That big lathe your son came up with is pretty cool too. Not many guys have the work these days requiring something that large. Ed.
 

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Seeing the stand Doc made for his Sheldon reminded me of this really nice South bend 9a I picked up as part of a basement shop that I bought from an old friend as a lot a while back. It is in very nice condition and has a ton of extras accessories included but to make it more usable I still need to build it a suitable cabinet. For now it's just hanging out with my other South bend which is an 11" underdrive tool room lathe. It has a lot of potential but I still need to find a few things for it including a tailstock. A few pics of the 9a with accessories and the 11" as found. Ed.
 

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Re: Show off your vintage or not so vintage lathe.

1949 South Bend 9A with ALL the attachments..Used by a little old lady on Sundays... [emoji12]
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Seeing the stand Doc made for his Sheldon reminded me of this really nice South bend 9a I picked up as part of a basement shop that I bought from an old friend as a lot a while back. It is in very nice condition and has a ton of extras accessories included but to make it more usable I still need to build it a suitable cabinet. For now it's just hanging out with my other South bend which is an 11" underdrive tool room lathe. It has a lot of potential but I still need to find a few things for it including a tailstock. A few pics of the 9a with accessories and the 11" as found. Ed.

Talk about well tooled - taper attachement, toolpost grinder, milling attachment, and metric gears.
 

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Bought this little French beauty today.
View media item 100600Sorry about the terrible picture, thats the best of the four I took with the phone camera
Its a 280 by 500mm or 11" by 20"
Weighs about 850kg
18 speeds, everything is gear driven except the main belts up from the motor, does inch and metric threading, mt3 tailstock, coolant pump, light, Dickson quick change toolpost with 2 holders, 6" 3 jaw chuck. I viewed it under power and it all worked, ran quiet.
The bad no other chucks or faceplate or steadies, no taper attachment, no manual so will need to find one and lots of tooling
Speeds.
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View media item 100602Motor plate, just shy of 4hp
View media item 100603Made in 1963 according to the model plate on it.
Was £900
 
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Re: Show off your vintage or not so vintage lathe.

1949 South Bend 9A with ALL the attachments..Used by a little old lady on Sundays... [emoji12]
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Proud Papa.....nice very nice.
 

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ifirefight,

That is a heck of a collection, the most highly tooled SB9 I ever saw.

dutchgray,

That is a dandy little lathe, what is the spindle type?

Steve
 

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According to the French catalogue I downloaded, American type A 4", whatever that means, I don't have a hook wrench to get the lock collar undone to get the chuck off to check, it should have a MT4 and be a 25mm spindle bore.
 
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According to the French catalogue I downloaded, American type A 4", whatever that means, I don't have a hook wrench to get the lock collar undone to get the chuck off to check, it should have a MT4 and be a 25mm spindle bore.

An A-4 is a bolt through the chuck onto the spindle. It is similar to a D1-4 without the cam pins. Not sure about the 4" size, D1-6 and A-6 chucks are available as either or.

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ifirefight,

That is a heck of a collection, the most highly tooled SB9 I ever saw.

dutchgray,

Thanks, I was VERY fortunate to find this lathe locally. It was very lightly used. I totally took it apart (because that’s how I am) replaced every wick and felt. Cleaned and lubed with proper oils. Not one chipped tooth on any of the gears in the quick change gear box on anywhere else. Came with every attachment that was offered..3 jaw chuck,4 jaw chuck, steady rest,taper attachment,collet set, Palmgren milling attachment,lantern tool posts, 100s of cutting bits,live centers,numerous chucks,etc,etc..
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Well I was playing with my new French lathe after work yesterday and I worked out how to get the power feed on the cross slide going, its also an imperial machine, even though its from the home of metric, so it must have been built for the English market. Lead screw is 1 1/4" 4tpi. The tool holder takes 3/4" tooling which opens up a lot of options.
 

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My first lathe, bought it a few years ago and still using it.

1928 Southbend 9"
 

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I like how you color-coordinated with all the jar lids and Buss fuse display rack. :D

Doc.
 

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The lathe in the wrecking yard is a Lodge and Shipley Patent Head lathe probably built between 1910 and 1915. I recently bought an 18x96 Patent Head myself. You can probably find more info at www.vintagemachinery.org.

Thanks for the explanation on toolroom lathes, that is most helpful.

My family's wrecking yard has a monster belt drive lathe that will most likely be available soon if anyone is interested. It's dirty but functional. They used to put full sized rear axles (Ford 9" and the like) into this monster and cut the tubes down to narrow them, as well as making widened steel wheels for racing and other various automotive projects. I'll have to measure it and try to find the manufacturer's tag next time I'm up there, but I'm guessing it has a 18"+ swing and a 8'+ bed. It was originally a line drive machine but it's had a Do-All gearbox added on and is powered with a 3 phase motor and a rotary phase converter. They added an old tire carcass as a safety shield over the chuck in typical wrecking yard fashion.

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They also have a small Craftsman lathe that is badly in need of a tune-up (this one is spoken for), and an as-yet unidentified ~1920 lathe that's been sitting under a tarp. I might be bringing the mystery lathe home with me if it's salvageable. I think it could be a Flather lathe, but with an integrated motor:

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Not so good pics. Thought I had it sold but my buddy decided against it. Might bring it to the swap meet this weekend. I always thought that I would clean it and get to know it inside and out. But it just sat.
 

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Here is my SouthBend 10K. Not exactly sure of the YOM. It has all the bells and whistles, threading dial, tapering attachment, milling fixture, 36 piece set of collets and drawbar, large dials, graduated tailstock, several chucks, faceplate, follower and a boatload of other tooling. I collected pieces to upgrade for years but really don't use it that much. I had to clear a path just to get a few pics of it.:(
 

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So I took the chuck off the French lathe and found this
View media item 100878I thought American long taper, great I can get back plates for those, then I measured it
View media item 100879Its smaller than the smallest L00 taper, its the same taper, the key is 6.35 by 30mm (1/4 by 1 1/8)
The small end is 43.5mm (1 11/16) big end is 54mm (2 1/8) and its 36mm long (1 3/8) the nut has 72mm by 2.5mm pitch threads ( I tried my 10tpi gauge in it and it isn't inch sized, but I think a 10 tpi thread would work as its so close and its only 6 threads in total)
So looks likely that I will have to machine my own backplates.
The bed ways are quite nice though, but need a good clean.
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This “vintage” craftsman lathe is being offered nearby for $75; seems complete and comes with accessories.

Any info about the model, era or the overall value? I know nothing about lathes.....yet.

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-That's interesting... Is there such a thing as an L-000? :D

Doc.
There is not officially an L-000 as far as I can tell
I found out Rivett used a smaller size on its 918 lathe, but I have not found dimensions for it yet, only that they used the same 1/4" key width, but I doubt the threads would be metric even if the rest was the same.
I haven't worked out how I would cut the threads yet on a new one, they are on a taper, I assume so the nut goes tight on them as it pulls up the taper so it doesn't undo itself.
I don't have a taper attachment that would allow doing that.
 
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My Southbend 9" rescue. The guy was about to junk it if there were no responses on CL but I offered $60 and he took it. This one is a charity case and needs some work, just debating it I should set it to the side to use as parts if I come across another little south bend or throw a little money at it and restore it.

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Surprising part is that it still had all the full set of gears for threading and the ways are showing no damage and no broken teeth on the gears but missing the banjo gear, counter shaft and gear box cover and a broken bull gear cover. What do you guys think?
 
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SC--need much better photos to judge the condition from here. But it looks like it was stored outdoors for a very long time.
 
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Ez- What close ups do you need? This guy sat in the barn since the 40's unused splattered with a grease gun. There is no scaling and only light surface rust but since I have no experience with vintage lathes only worked with newer models, so I am preferring other's opinions over mine. If you need it torn down a little for inspection photos then please let me know.
 
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Sorry didn't realize how dark the it looks in photos, tried my best for a few brighter shots.

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SC-that is a little better, but I would put $ in a better camera before spending anything on that lathe, which appears to be in better condition than represented by the first couple photos posted.

It is rather an antiquated machine but, for the price you paid, you might find it worth your while to get it running.
 

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My Southbend 9" rescue. The guy was about to junk it if there were no responses on CL but I offered $60 and he took it. This one is a charity case and needs some work, just debating it I should set it to the side to use as parts if I come across another little south bend or throw a little money at it and restore it.

Surprising part is that it still had all the full set of gears for threading and the ways are showing no damage and no broken teeth on the gears but missing the banjo gear, counter shaft and gear box cover and a broken bull gear cover. What do you guys think?

For $60, I think you won the proverbial lottery - you essentially got a $200 set of change gears for $60, with a free lathe thrown in. That lathe was probably built in the 30's, prior to 1938, when they switched to side/front oilers. You'll have no problem finding parts on ebay. And that's an easy lathe to work on - you can break it down to it's major assemblies in about 15 minutes.
 

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There is not officially an L-000 as far as I can tell
I found out Rivett used a smaller size on its 918 lathe, but I have not found dimensions for it yet[.]

-That's probably gonna be a roll-your-own. Seems the taper itself (that is, the angle) is likely the same, just the dimensions are scaled down.

ut I doubt the threads would be metric even if the rest was the same.


-This is likely a case of the French manufacturer for some reason copying/emulating the Rivett spindle nose, possibly thinking it was going to 'catch on' given the then-popularity of that marque.

Or it's possible the spindle was a retrofit- the lathe originally came with, say, some obscure threaded nose, and a later owner decided they wanted a better mount. I'd be curious to know the truth, but that might not be possible at this point.

I haven't worked out how I would cut the threads yet on a new one, they are on a taper, I assume so the nut goes tight on them as it pulls up the taper so it doesn't undo itself.

-Not so sure on that one. I'd be surprised if that's the case- if the internal threads on the nut are in fact tapered, I'd wager that's more to ease the starting on the chuck threads, or even "spring" of the cutting tool used to make the nut, than intentional to make them "tighten" to the chuck.

On an L-series spindle, the tapered surface is the locating surface. The flat 'end' of the chuck stub should be close, but not quite touching the mating flat face of the spindle nose. The threaded ring simply pulls the chuck firmly onto the taper, and "tightens" like a nut on a bolt, not necessarily like a pipe fitting into a tapered hole.

This Old Tony has a video specifically about making an L-series backing plate, if you haven't seen it already.

Doc.
 

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I am already expecting to have to turn my own backplates, the spindle is original to the lathe, the French manual I found has it listed as an optional fit. I haven't checked the spindle nut yet to see if its threads are parallel or tapered but the back plate I have definitely is tapered.
I have watched the This old Tony video on making backplates.
I am yet to sort the power out to where the lathe is so cant run it yet without using 30' of cable so have to sort that before I worry to much about other things.
 
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