Above 1200 Sq/FT The Lone Beech Garage (60x46x16)

sean Buick 76 · Apr 17, 2020

I bought $100 worth of CLR and a $10 container and I stuck a spare rusty block in there to soak and it ate up all the rust and you dont even need gloves to handle it! I will re-use the CLR and container for a couple of years and then refresh it. Once it soaked for a few days the rust could be removed completely with 5 seconds and a scotch bright pad.

sbosecker · Apr 18, 2020

sean Buick 76 said:
I bought $100 worth of CLR and a $10 container and I stuck a spare rusty block in there to soak and it ate up all the rust and you dont even need gloves to handle it! I will re-use the CLR and container for a couple of years and then refresh it. Once it soaked for a few days the rust could be removed completely with 5 seconds and a scotch bright pad.

sean Buick 76,

I have been considering putting the Continental N62's Head in EvapoRust as it is a single piece.

I don't think I would be comfortable doing that with the entire (currently) assembled engine.

EDIT:

Evaporust Video

Hmmm... The guys that make Evaporust seem confident and at 1:40 in the video they're giving an intake manifold a dip. That's pretty close to bring like my engine's head.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 18, 2020

Saturday - April 18, 2020

Last night I started building a Bracket Support to secure the 4-inch Vertical Pipe to the Table Saw's side table. I had a basic part made and then thought it needed some modifications. I went to bed and started again early this afternoon.

I used the part I had built last night as a template and began working on the new Bracket Support.

Last night I had drilled a couple of 1/4-inch holes in the end of the Table Saw's side table. I used these to locate the same size holes in the Bracket Support.

I used those drilled holes to locate a 1/4-inch spiral bit in the Router Table. I routed a slot in the Bracket Support. This slot and the "notch" on the end of the Bracket Support will allow the Bracket Support to be adjusted a couple of inches either way. This adjustable feature will allow the Bracket to match up with wherever the 4-inch Vertical Pipe happens to fall when it is mounted to the horizontal ducting overhead.

I drilled a 3/8-inch hole in the Bracket Support and mounted a Nordfab 4-inch Bracket.

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sbosecker · Apr 18, 2020

Continued...

With the Bracket Support & Bracket locked into position, I mounted a section of 4-inch Pipe with an Elbow & Blast Gate on the bottom. In order to complete the mounting of this section to the overhead horizontal duct, I need my next delivery of materials from Blastgate. That should happen this coming week.

This evening my son came over and he and my wife helped me with the next phase of this project.

I took off the section of duct to the right of the wye. Then I removed the clamp between the left section of duct and the wye.

My wife and son supported the vertical ductwork coming out of the Dust Collector while I moved the Dust Collector towards the door. The goal was to move the Dust Collector as far towards the door as possible without interfering with the light switches next to the door. When that position was reached, I marked the position on the floor with painter's tape.

The Vertical Duct was removed as an assembly and put onto the floor out of the way.

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sbosecker · Apr 18, 2020

Continued...

The piece of 6-inch duct that was to the right of the Wye will be cut in two and, along with Adjustment Sleeves, used on both side of the Wye.

I measured the amount of distance the Dust Collector had been moved and used that measurement to lay out a line on the 6-inch duct.

I drilled an access hole for the Air Saw.

My wife held the end of the Duct as I cut it with the Air Saw.

I used a file to deburr the freshly cut end of the duct.

An Adjustment Sleeve was slid onto the cut section of duct, placed into position and clamped into place.

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sbosecker · Apr 18, 2020

Continued...

With the left side of the Wye secure, the same measuring and cutting of duct was completed for the right side. That procedure had already been shown in previous pictures...

…and there's always fewer pictures of the "exciting" activities.

It took the 3 of us to get the vertical piece clamped into position...

The work on the right side of the Wye required rotating the Elbow in the corner as well as clamping the horizontal piece into position. This required 2 people on the ladder with the 3rd holding the ladder to ensure it was stable.

So that was sporting but eventually the job was accomplished.

I was fortunate to have had the help I had this evening. Waiting to get a few extra hands allowed this task to be completed without undue drama.

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 20, 2020

I was about half-way through posting this last night we lost power due to thunderstorms rolling through our part of the world. Almost 5 inches of rain in the last 24 hours but, here at least, no tornados or other drama.

Sunday - April 19, 2020

Back about 6 weeks ago, my 20 year old Ford F150 started leaking some wather into the cab when it rained ( Post 3378 ).

I had been driving around with some trim removed to give me the ability to check for the source of the leak should it happen again. Of course, since early March it has been pretty dry.

That changed today when we were forecast for rain for pretty much 24 hours starting this morning. When I got up today there was 1.6 inches of rain in my gauge and it was still raining.

I pulled the pickup out of the garage and let it sit in the rain. I was checking about every 10 minutes or so and was beginning to think it wasn't going to leak...

...but after about a half hour I saw some moisture and pulled the headliner down enough to see a drip. (White Arrow)

This leak may be associated with the "rain gutters" located on the top of the truck cab's roof. More research needs to be done.

There's always something... somehow we managed to blindly locate the Dust Collector's frame directly in front of an electrical outlet during yesterday's work.

I think we can loosen the clamps to the Adjustment Sleeves on either side of the Wye at the top of the 8-inch duct and move the Dust Collector an inch or two to clear the outlet. Then just clamp the Adjustment Sleeves down again. I think there is enough "slop" in the Adjustment Sleeves to allow this maneuver.

Scott

LutzTD · Apr 21, 2020

sbosecker said:
There's always something... somehow we managed to blindly locate the Dust Collector's frame directly in front of an electrical outlet during yesterday's work.

I think we can loosen the clamps to the Adjustment Sleeves on either side of the Wye at the top of the 8-inch duct and move the Dust Collector an inch or two to clear the outlet. Then just clamp the Adjustment Sleeves down again. I think there is enough "slop" in the Adjustment Sleeves to allow this maneuver.

Scott

I thought it was just me this kind of thing happened to..... I guess Murphy is alive and well in your shop too. sounds like you have a quick solution

1949 caddyman · Apr 21, 2020

Have you had the collector running, how loud is it?

sbosecker · Apr 21, 2020

LutzTD said:
I thought it was just me this kind of thing happened to..... I guess Murphy is alive and well in your shop too. sounds like you have a quick solution

LutzTD,

Yeah, I was amazed how we nailed putting that frame EXACTLY in front of the outlet.

In my mind I have a solution. We'll be comparing that with reality soon.

HA!

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 21, 2020

1949 caddyman said:
Have you had the collector running, how loud is it?

1949 caddyman,

Yes, I have run the JET Dust Collector but I hadn't compared it to its predecessor (a Shop Fox W1685).

I just got back from trotting out to the Woodshop to compare noise output.

These are not quiet machines nor are they horribly loud either.

I would say that the Shop Fox is actually a bit louder. This is completely subjective as I have no way to measure the noise. Also I would say the Shop Fox's noise is higher frequency.

So I don't know if the lower frequency noise from the JET just sounds a little quieter because it isn't as obnoxious as the Shop Fox or if it truly is fewer decibels less.

If anything, 40 years of walking around axial flow engines (even with ear protection) has taken its toll on my ability to perceive higher frequencies. (This is documented in my 6-month FAA physicals. HA!) If a higher frequency noise sounds louder to me, it probably IS louder to a person with good hearing.

Your results may vary.

Best regards,

Scott

1949 caddyman · Apr 21, 2020

Thanks for that!
I was an Air Force F-4c crew chief, my hearing is also shot. I have tenitus all the time but notice it most when I or someone else mentions it. Then I hear it very loud.

I have my shop vac under a Upside down rubbermaid Garbage can that does remove some of the noise. That thing on the right is a Dust Deputy. A smaller version of your vac.

shortykorte · Apr 21, 2020

Scott, since I have hearing problems, I downloaded a decibel app from Apple. You might try whatever brand phone you have.

Caddyman, spend anytime at Bergstrom?

Shorty Korte
Always remember quality in QST

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LutzTD · Apr 22, 2020

some if you are REALLY bored reading related to your "Pindicator"

link

1949 caddyman · Apr 22, 2020

shortykorte said:
Scott, since I have hearing problems, I downloaded a decibel app from Apple. You might try whatever brand phone you have.

Caddyman, spend anytime at Bergstrom?

Shorty Korte
Always remember quality in QST

Sent from my iPhone using Garage Journal

Never got there I was at Japan & Korea with the F-4

sbosecker · Apr 22, 2020

LutzTD said:
some if you are REALLY bored reading related to your "Pindicator"

link

LutzTD,

That's amazing! That's exactly what the Fort Sackville Sign is!

How in the world did you find that?

Best regards,

Scott

drivesitfar · Apr 22, 2020

SD: sounds like you are making progress, troubleshooting issues/problems and getting a months rain in a day, but looks good from my chair so keep up the good work.

yep power tools and rock and roll have taken away my high pitch hearing, but it's sometimes a good thing cause you don't hear all the idle chatter and requests from others if they are asking you to do something for them.

i'm not sure if you have a commercial area near your home, but if you might have a few commercial cabinet shops close by you might ask them if they'd like you to stop by and take away there off cuts and scraps so they don't have to pay to dump it or offer them some cash cause some pretty nice stuff ends up in the trash. then you'd have lots of supplies without emptying your bank account to buy new material for everything.

cheers

LutzTD · Apr 22, 2020

sbosecker said:
LutzTD,

That's amazing! That's exactly what the Fort Sackville Sign is!

How in the world did you find that?

Best regards,

Scott

let's just say I was "really bored", and google is crazy useful if you put in the right search term. I was looking for something else and a saw AMF Pindicator, so I followed it.

sbosecker · Apr 22, 2020

shortykorte said:
Scott, since I have hearing problems, I downloaded a decibel app from Apple. You might try whatever brand phone you have...

Shorty Korte
Always remember quality in QST

Shorty Korte,

That's a great idea!

I found the NIOSH Sound Level Meter App which looked promising but it, for some reason, is only available for Apple devices.

I'll have to do some research.

Thanks!

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 22, 2020

drivesitfar said:
SD: sounds like you are making progress, troubleshooting issues/problems and getting a months rain in a day, but looks good from my chair so keep up the good work.

yep power tools and rock and roll have taken away my high pitch hearing, but it's sometimes a good thing cause you don't hear all the idle chatter and requests from others if they are asking you to do something for them.

i'm not sure if you have a commercial area near your home, but if you might have a few commercial cabinet shops close by you might ask them if they'd like you to stop by and take away there off cuts and scraps so they don't have to pay to dump it or offer them some cash cause some pretty nice stuff ends up in the trash. then you'd have lots of supplies without emptying your bank account to buy new material for everything.

cheers

DrivesItFar,

I will look into Cabinet Shops - that's a great idea!

Probably will wait until the economy picks up again to make inquiries.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 22, 2020

1949 caddyman said:
Thanks for that!
I was an Air Force F-4c crew chief, my hearing is also shot. I have tenitus all the time but notice it most when I or someone else mentions it. Then I hear it very loud.

I have my shop vac under a Upside down rubbermaid Garbage can that does remove some of the noise. That thing on the right is a Dust Deputy. A smaller version of your vac.

1949 caddyman,

I should have had something like the Dust Deputy between the Shop Fox's inlet and the chips coming in...

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 22, 2020

Wednesday - April 22, 2020

I got an unexpected opportunity to fix the "blocked outlet" problem today. My wife had asked my son over for supper tomorrow and then they goofed up the day and he showed up today. So I had extra hands available.

After supper we all went out to the Woodshop...

The first order of operation was to remove & adjust the Adjustment Sleeve to the right of the Dust Collector's Wye. In addition to those operations, I swapped the Adjustment Sleeve end for end. It is better for the flow to have the Adjustment Sleeve downstream of the shortened duct. I had missed that detail when we did the first installation; now it was the way it should have been.

My son was under me on the ladder supporting the "corner elbow" while I unclamped and re-clamped the Adjustment Sleeve.

All of that went remarkably smoothly.

The next item on the list was to unclamp the Adjustment Sleeve on the left side of the Wye. I would operate the clamps while on the ladder, my son would support the vertical ductwork and my wife would push the Dust Collector far enough to clear the electrical outlet.

The first attempt didn't work. There was too much friction on the Adjustment Sleeve and it wasn't sliding freely. I unclamped the whole assembly and that allowed my wife to be able to move the Dust Collector a couple of inches or so the right.

I went up the ladder and clamped the right side of the Wye to the ductwork to the right.

I got the ladder in position on the left side and adjusted the Adjustment Sleeve assembly to fit into the gap that resulted from moving the Dust Collector. A small bit of work to get these last components lined up and clamped but not too bad.

… and that all went pretty well. Way better than I thought it would go!

The outlet was now useable and the ductwork was clamped without drama in a reasonably short amount of time.

A good day!

...and tomorrow more duct materials are scheduled to arrive!

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 23, 2020

1949 caddyman said:
Have you had the collector running, how loud is it?

shortykorte said:
Scott, since I have hearing problems, I downloaded a decibel app from Apple. You might try whatever brand phone you have...
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Shorty Korte,

Today I downloaded a Sound Level Android App (Sound Meter) - thanks for that great idea!

1949 caddyman.

This evening I went out to the Woodshop and used the App. I measured 5 feet away from the JET, held the phone at belt level facing the machine, and turned on the Dust Collector.

The App read 78- 79 decibels but hung out more at 78 than 79. I shut down the JET and did the same App setup with the Shop Fox. The App read 78-79 decibels but hung out on 79 more than 78.

So they're pretty much the same. The Shop Fox might be slightly louder.

Best regards,

Scott

LutzTD · Apr 23, 2020

sbosecker said:
Shorty Korte,

Today I downloaded a Sound Level Android App (Sound Meter) - thanks for that great idea!

1949 caddyman.

This evening I went out to the Woodshop and used the App. I measured 5 feet away from the JET, held the phone at belt level facing the machine, and turned on the Dust Collector.

The App read 78- 79 decibels but hung out more at 78 than 79. I shut down the JET and did the same App setup with the Shop Fox. The App read 78-79 decibels but hung out on 79 more than 78.

So they're pretty much the same. The Shop Fox might be slightly louder.

Best regards,

Scott

if you are really curious, there is also an app called spectrum analyzer. this will give you the frequency and dB, as even though the energy may be the same, the quality may be completely different. if you use the A-weighted scale that is more how the human ear will react, rather than a gross value, you may find a greater difference between the two, especially if you perceive the one is louder than the other

there are quite a few there but I like this one LINK

sbosecker · Apr 24, 2020

LutzTD said:
if you are really curious, there is also an app called spectrum analyzer. this will give you the frequency and dB, as even though the energy may be the same, the quality may be completely different. if you use the A-weighted scale that is more how the human ear will react, rather than a gross value, you may find a greater difference between the two, especially if you perceive the one is louder than the other

there are quite a few there but I like this one LINK

LutzTD,

Thanks! I'll look into that.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 24, 2020

Friday - April 24, 2020

Yesterday - late afternoon - UPS delivered more ductwork components.

This morning my wife helped me take down the Spiral Duct so I could do some work on it. I had removed the branch and 4-inch vertical components last night.

I was hoping the "flared out" machine adapters that had been delivered yesterday might slide right onto the Spiral Duct. They didn't so some work on the Spiral Duct was in order. I used the Air Saw to cut some slits and then used some Aviation Snips to cut a little bit of a taper to allow the segments to compress easier.

Now the Machine Adapter slid over the Spiral Duct. I used some metal tape to seal the Adapter to the Duct.

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sbosecker · Apr 24, 2020

Continued...

I used the Metal Tape to smooth the internal transition between the Duct's segments and the Adapter. I also made sure this end was the downstream end of the Duct. My wife was on hand to help me put the Duct back onto the Hangers.

The Spiral Duct was mounted back onto the Hangers and the Branch was clamped onto the Adapter.

I measured the distance between vertical pieces to size the Adapter Sleeve assembly for the horizontal ducting and then, using a level, I established how much needed to be trimmed from the 4-inch vertical leg.

Quite a bit of up & down the ladder and on & off the scaffolding to adjust the horizontal and vertical Adjustment Sleeves. Eventually I got everything lined up.

I also capped off the upstream opening of the Branch.

Continued in next post...

sbosecker · Apr 24, 2020

Continued...

Time to see if this thing is going to work...

I started the Dust Collector and dribbled some shavings from the Jointer in front of the vertical leg's Blastgate.

The shavings were gobbled up into the Table Saw's 4-inch vertical leg and deposited into the Chip Bin.

This was with the 4-inch & 5-inch legs on the south wall open as well.

Sweet! I ended the day's labors on a high note.

Scott

1949 caddyman · Apr 25, 2020

How is the motor on the vacuum turned on?

I have installed micro switches than control a relay to start the vac motor, one sw. for each blast gate.

sbosecker · Apr 25, 2020

1949 caddyman said:
How is the motor on the vacuum turned on?

I have installed micro switches than control a relay to start the vac motor, one sw. for each blast gate.

1949 caddyman,

That sounds like a nice setup!

For the moment all I've got is the remote or the actual switch on the Dust Collector.

Best regards,

Scott

1949 caddyman · Apr 25, 2020

I found the info on utube video, works good. With a remote it is probably not needed.

Here’s a pic of the video.

sbosecker · Apr 25, 2020

1949 caddyman said:
I found the info on utube video, works good. With a remote it is probably not needed.

Here’s a pic of the video.

1949 caddyman,

Found it - Thank you!

Once I get jaded by having a functioning Dust Collection System that serves the whole Wood Shop, I'll probably get motivated to be more automated.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 25, 2020

Saturday - April 25, 2020

Continued work on the Woodshop's ductwork today. I was prioritizing the leg going to the west wall as that will serve the Jointer and Wood Lathe.

My wife came out and helped mount the second section of Spiral Duct to the Hangers I installed last night.

I took a 6"x6"x6" Wye and clamped two Elbows to it. Then I clamped that assembly to the end of the Spiral Duct. This allowed me to measure the distance to the wall and determine the length of 6-inch Duct I needed.

I cut some 6-inch Duct and mounted an Adjustment Sleeve on it. I installed my last hanger under the beam and started to hang the Duct assembly...
...and discovered that I had been sent four 6" Hangers and one 5" Hanger and I had just installed the 5" Hanger.

I'm a bit surprised that out of the 5 Hangers, I managed to NOT pick up the incorrect Hanger until now. Had it happened earlier I probably could have gotten a replacement in with one of my other orders.

Anyway, the inability to move any further towards west wall changed the priorities for the day.

I moved my ladder to the east wall and started adding Duct to that part of the project.

I drew some level lines and added a Bracket.

I laid some Duct and a Branch on the floor, measured and made some calculations.

Continued in next post...

sbosecker · Apr 25, 2020

Continued...

I clamped the Duct/Branch assembly to the existing ductwork and installed more brackets.

A Long Sweep Elbow was clamped to a 5-foot length of Duct and hung on the north wall.

This allowed me to measure the "gap" and cut some more 6-inch Duct and use another Adjustment Sleeve to bridge the distance between the Elbow and the Branch.

More brackets were installed and the remaining Duct & Branch were mounted onto the brackets.

That completes all the Horizontal ductwork that I can do until I get a replacement Hanger.

Getting all of this on the walls has soaked up the 6-inch Clamp-Together Duct inventory. I've four 5-foot lengths of 6-inch duct left and I think I will just need 3 more to complete the horizontal runs.

Scott

drivesitfar · Apr 26, 2020

SD: great work on all that metal duct work. :thumbup:

how are your hands doing? keeping them in good form and not losing much or any blood? nice to see your bride helps you and sounds like your son earns his meals when he stops by too.

enjoy your Sunday.

1949 caddyman · Apr 26, 2020

Have you been flying at all?

sbosecker · Apr 26, 2020

drivesitfar said:
SD: great work on all that metal duct work.

how are your hands doing? keeping them in good form and not losing much or any blood? nice to see your bride helps you and sounds like your son earns his meals when he stops by too.

enjoy your Sunday.

DrivesItFar,

The clamp-together duct probably reduces the potential for that but when I have to cut one to size there is raw edge so I'm vulnerable. To date no blood has been spilled.

I'm probably in greatest danger when I'm on the scaffolding or the ladder and something doesn't fit right. At that point my senile brain is fully focused on that issue and situational awareness of the fact that I am aloft is diminished.

My spouse and son have been helpful. I probably could have found ways to work around being solo but it is easier to have the willing help.

My wife did mention she was glad that she wasn't helping me when the duct didn't fit in the incorrect (smaller) hanger yesterday. She seemed to think that I may have had some harsh comments regarding her efforts had she been the one trying to fit the too large duct into the too small hanger.

That hurt. HA!

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 26, 2020

1949 caddyman said:
Have you been flying at all?

1949 caddyman,

My last flight was in late February. I think my fleet (767-400) has pretty much been put to sleep. I haven't looked for a while but the last time I did my airplane was only flying 2 trips a day: One to London & one to Santiago Chile.

I may have had my last flight (before I retire) back in February.

Best regards,

Scott

sbosecker · Apr 26, 2020

Sunday - April 26, 2020

Most of today was spent foraging for food and mowing the yard.

However I did get out to the LBG's Woodshop for about an hour tonight. I started hanging some of the 4-inch vertical duct to get a feel for how that's going to work.

I got a surprise...

Here's a vertical with a Nordfab 45 degree Elbow clamped to a Blastgate 45 degree Branch.

Here's a vertical with a Blastgate 45 degree Elbow clamped to a Blastgate 45 degree Branch.

I initially had put the Nordfab Elbow on one Branch's vertical leg and the Blastgate on a different Branch's vertical leg. I noticed the one with the Blastgate Elbow was not plumb.

I had two Blastgate 45 Elbows and one Nordfab 45 Elbow. I mixed and matched Branches and Elbows and always got the same result: The Nordfab Elbow stayed plumb, both Blastgate Elbows did not.

This would be a little easier to understand if I had Nordfab Branches ...but they are Blastgate Branches.

I'm trying to figure out how this could be operator error on my part but...

I shall discuss this issue with Blastgate tomorrow.

Scott

LutzTD · Apr 27, 2020

luckily in this case being 5 degrees off wont miss the whole city..... hopefully they will agree this is unacceptable.

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