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I was at a friend's house/garage today and while he was replacing the rotors and pads on my Honda CRV I noticed this hanging on his tool rack. he knows how much I like old tools cause I usually give him newer stuff I find that I'd never use. after i asked him about it and he gave it to me. he said he had bigger newer one and he never used this one that almost looks like a blacksmith made it. i'm guessing it's about 2 feet long and i'll measure if anybody is curious.

any idea who made it or how old cause it looks about 100 years old?
 

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I have taken some apart, usually for repairs. These pictures are from an attempt to install an Ink marked handle from a 9-1/2” extra heavy duty driver onto a Jeep toolset correct 11” blade. It turned out that the ink marked handles from the donor driver were slightly narrower. To disassemble I drove out the least peened over end of the pins with a small drift. Before reinstalling, I filed down the less peened ends of the pins to minimize damage during re-assembly. The final step was to re-peen the ends of the pins until the handles were tight on the shafts.
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Who would have guessed the metal handle under the wood sides would have had such a complicated appearance, instead of just being flat?

Thanks, d42jeep, for sharing. :thumbup:

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Who would have guessed the metal handle under the wood sides would have had such a complicated appearance, instead of just being flat?

Thanks, d42jeep, for sharing. :thumbup:

Tostal~

You are welcome. The cast in initials stand for Irwin Auger Bit Co. Only the wartime ink marked screwdrivers have the elongated slot.
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I posted this new arrival in the Barcalo thread but I guess it belongs here too. This is the first one I have ever seen.
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RTM, et al I'm into Stanley hand planes and I see you commenting in the "Show your handplanes" thread. I've been trying to tell myself that I'm not a collector but it's time to realize that's not the case. Anyway, I'd love to know what Stanley had in the way of screwdrivers that would be period correct for their planes from the late 1800s to pre-WWII? Anyone collect these or have an idea about what I'm talking about? I believe Stanley may have included a driver with the Stanley No 45 for some period. I think about all the wooden handled screwdrivers I passed on the last few years. SMH. Thanks!
 

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I was at a friend's house/garage today and while he was replacing the rotors and pads on my Honda CRV I noticed this hanging on his tool rack. he knows how much I like old tools cause I usually give him newer stuff I find that I'd never use. after i asked him about it and he gave it to me. he said he had bigger newer one and he never used this one that almost looks like a blacksmith made it. i'm guessing it's about 2 feet long and i'll measure if anybody is curious.

any idea who made it or how old cause it looks about 100 years old?

One heckuva cool driver Drives!
 

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TEX: I had to chuckle when i saw you post "I'M NOT A COLLECTOR", but still happy to see you posting up a few good words.

sorry i can't help you on Stanley wood screwdrivers and can't recall if I have any, but "I'M NOT A COLLECTOR" cause I'M A HOARDER and went right past collections.

thanks for noticing my little screwdriver and without any markings i'm wondering if it was handmade.

JEEP: since the labels were probably on all of these old screwdrivers does that mean that nobody ever used yours? I love that style that has some weight to it.
 

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JEEP: since the labels were probably on all of these old screwdrivers does that mean that nobody ever used yours? I love that style that has some weight to it.

I believe that the Barcalo screwdriver is unused. It has an Irwin look to me. Perhaps Barcalo was sourcing from them.
-Don
 

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RTM, et al I'm into Stanley hand planes and I see you commenting in the "Show your handplanes" thread. I've been trying to tell myself that I'm not a collector but it's time to realize that's not the case. Anyway, I'd love to know what Stanley had in the way of screwdrivers that would be period correct for their planes from the late 1800s to pre-WWII? Anyone collect these or have an idea about what I'm talking about? I believe Stanley may have included a driver with the Stanley No 45 for some period. I think about all the wooden handled screwdrivers I passed on the last few years. SMH. Thanks!

The Stanley screwdrivers in this picture borrowed from a collector in the UK were patented in 1931 or 1932.
-Do
 

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The Stanley screwdrivers in this picture borrowed from a collector in the UK were patented in 1931 or 1932.
-Do

Thanks Don! Is that red paint on the ferrule? Do you what style/model/etc the two black handled screwdrivers are? Also, I'm wondering how far back these Stanley Hurwood screwdrivers went?

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I’ve seen different things claimed to be 45 screwdrivers, and I don’t know which to believe. One tool merchant I know showed a turnscrew (flat bladed thing) as a #45 screwdriver, another showed a small Hurwood type, which I thought was too small. The catalogs I’ve seen never showed the screwdriver. I do have one 3rd party Stanley 45 guide, I’ll try to checK it tomorrow.

The plane was sold 1884- 1962 per blood and gore, so lotsa time to change styles. I just googled, and in my first 4 results, got three different looking screwdrivers.
 
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So, just a quick note. I looked through the 45 collector book, and it has a full type study, with some 19 types listed, and the screwdrivers per type. There are indeed at least three different types, maybe more. Rather than tie up this thread, I will add it to the plane thread later tomorrow if all goes well.
 

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RTM: it wouldn't hurt to double post that information cause some members don't look at planes and others don't look at screwdrivers. your call and sounds like you found something useful.

JEEP: so if you think Irwin made that Barcolo wood handled screwdriver how long has Irwin been in business?

ALL: just curious if any of you have set your wood handled screwdrivers in a jar of vegetable oil for a day or two? would that have any ill effect on a screwdriver that has metal in it's handle?
 

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JEEP: so if you think Irwin made that Barcolo wood handled screwdriver how long has Irwin been in business?

Since 1885. Here is the cover of the 1940 catalog. Irwin made thousands of WW2 Jeep and other military toolset screwdrivers and auger bits.
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thanks!! I guess I only think of IRWIN has a company that bought other companies and moved all their factories to CHINA.

sounds like they had a good run before company changed their business model to volume and inexpensive tools.
 

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I’ve changed my thinking on the Barcalo screwdriver being made by Irwin or any other manufacturer. After doing comparisons, it has some unique features that Irwin and Tobrin don’t have. Probably made in house by Barcalo.
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OK, here is what I found. I am digging through Dave Heckel's "The Stanley "Forty Five" Combination Plane" published in 2002, I got it in 2006, so new information may have come out since then, but this is what was known back then. I don't plan to dig into the different types, you'll have to know that, as I can't find a live one right now, the 3 that were out there are dead and / or truncated to uselessness.

Anyway, the book has B & W postage stamp sized photos of the screwdrivers, and about 2 pages of items to check for each type, so a bit more detailed than most studies I've seen for other planes.

Types 1 - 3, no screwdriver listed, 1884 - 1888

Type 4, 1890-1892
Type 5, 1893-1894,
Type 6, 1895 (No text, just the pic)
All use the same image, a straight bladed, with this text in 4 & 5 "Screwdriver supplied with plane is stained brown and has a straight flat blade or a blade with two scallops cut into the edges of the flat blade"

Basically looks like the bottom two in this picture, without and with scallop look (updated image now included.) Tho the book does not give a length, mine are 4-5/8" long, and a few tool mongers have shared that length in their ads. The center one may be an anomaly, without the little ring at the top of the taper. The books show the ring, but the tool mongers often don't.

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Type 7a, 1895 Major Change, Unique prototype - No Pic or text

Type 7b, 1895-1906 Major Change (not getting into early middle and late)
Type 8 , 1907-1908
Type 9, 1908-1909 Major Change
Type 10, 1909
Type 11 1910- 1914
Same text "Screwdriver supplied with plane is stained brown and has a straight flat blade or a blade with two scallops cut into the edges of the flat blade", and two images, both straight and scalloped.

Type 12, 1915-1920 Major Change
Type 13, 1921
Similar text, "Screwdriver supplied with the plane has a painted black handle, and has a straight flat blade, or with two scallops cut into the edges of the flat blade"

This one looks more like the top one in the above picture.

Type 14, 1922
Major change in the screwdriver world, "Screwdriver supplied with the plane is painted black handle, and has a round shaft blade, 4-1/4" long and is unmarked."
None of mine look like the image in the book, but the pix below are close. Not the top one has a longer "head"

Type 15, 1923-1935
"Screwdriver supplied with the plane is painted black handle, and has a round shaft blade, 4-1/4" long and is marked MADE IN U.S.A.."

Type 16, 1936-1948
Type 17, 1948-1960
"Screwdriver supplied with the plane is maple with a blonde shellac finish, and has a round shaft blade, 4-1/4" long and is marked MADE IN U.S.A.." This handle almost looks square, but similar ratio to the 14 & 15, but without the long head shape.

These pix are typical for all following, tho the top one seems to have the longer head shape
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Type 18, 1961 - 1962
supposedly the same as 17, but no screwdriver photo or text

Type 19 Aluminum 1915-1924
"Screwdriver supplied with plane is painted black, and has a round handle and a flat straight blade"
Type 19A Aluminum 1924 - 1934
"Screwdriver supplied with the plane is painted black, and has a round handle, and has a round shaft blade, 4-1/4" long."

Type 20 Canadian 1922 - 1960 (Types 14-17 in US)
"Early models of this type have a screwdriver supplied with plane that has a black painted finish, and has a round shaft blade, 4 1/4" long and is marked MADE IN CAN."

"Late models of this type have a screwdriver supplied with plane that is maple with a blonde shellac finish, and has a round shaft blade, 4 1/4" long and is marked MADE IN CAN."

Edited: updated picture, changed text to match, fixed typos
 
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I wonder if this is one of those that originally came with a Stanley no. 45?

Only one of my pics has shown up, poor internet today, will try and post the other ones..
 

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Yours seem a little long, but otherwise very similar to mine. But turnscrews are just laying loose on the ground over there, aren’t they?

Mine come in at 4 5/8”. Updated pics will show that.
 

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t turnscrews are just laying loose on the ground over there, aren’t they?

Funny you should say that, it's exactly how I found this one! Mine looks like a narrower handle than yours, but maybe that could just be a difference between USA made and ones made here.

I was wondering, about the dog in your avatar. What's going on there? Has it just been stung in the mouth by a bee or shoved it's nose in to an ants nest or something?:dunno:
 

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I was wondering, about the dog in your avatar. What's going on there? Has it just been stung in the mouth by a bee or shoved it's nose in to an ants nest or something?:dunno:


Just a big goofy boy. It was his first day at a new day care, after months of quarantined minimal dog to dog time. When he gets running, those ears go everywhere. Add a little heat, and the tongue follows suit. It was just such a happy picture of him.
 

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Picked at a sale yesterday, 20" long with knurled shank. At first I thought its a file.
Best i can tell its Ulrich or ending with a k. WAG on first letter. PAT followed with 7.
Can't tell what's above the ll's. The ferrule looks crudely cast and not a machined i.d..
The knurling is straight and even spaced along the whole shaft. Why?
Was knurled "stock" available retail back then?
Thanks for all the comments and research effort posted on the Garage Sale Thread.
Anyone seen 1 like it?
edit 4-15, Staring at the "U" today, maybe a "B" or "G", still a cross-eyed WAG.








 

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I just heard of this thread. Here are some. My current favorites are the Disston “Electrical” ones with the beehive handles. I also like the Stanley/Bonney and Bridgeport. A couple pre-Stanley North Bros, couple Vlchek, and a couple made in England (E.Atkins, J.Buck, Eclipse).

EDIT - LOL, bad post timing on my part! wrenchguy’s whatsit screwdriver is the BIG puzzle today.
 

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Just to summarize for "newcomers" a direction that Old Radar and I went with wrenchguy's folding T-handle screwdriver on the Garage Sale thread, with Old Radar cracking the most significant part of the code, with tips from RTM and LesserSon, the ferrule seems to probably be shortened, with the markings being cut off, thusly...

ULRICH M | FG CO.
ROCK FALL| S ILL.
US | A
PAT SEPT | x, 18xx

Ulrich Mfg. Co. in Rock Falls, Ill. was an early manufacturer of all kinds of farm and shop products, including a tubular saw table, steel hangers, friction clutches, pulleys, garden tools (cultivators, weeders, etc), and a multi-tool (hammer, wrench, and tack puller) that they marketed as the "Handy Hammer," patented by one J.H. Hebblethwaite, but assigned to Ulich Mfg. Co. (389,384 Sept 11, 1888). Hebblethwaite also owned the patent, also assigned to Ulrich Mfg Co., for a Nut-Lock (523,661 Jul 10, 1894) and a Shaft Coupling (406,838 July 9, 1889).

I've been unable to find a Hebblethwaite or any other patent assigned to Ulrich Mfg. Co. for a screwdriver of any kind.

LesserSon speculated that the "ferrule" could be a cast ferrule-like part from something else and that it was cannibalized for a homemade folding screwdriver. Possibilities for that are the tubular saw table (which had several collar-like joints) or even the steel hanger, but I have not been able to find patents for those to match up with the "SEPT" marking.
 

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I can see the ferrule being shortened on the smaller end to fit the handle taper further.
I believe both ends of the shaft are milled, zero hammer marks seen.
I agree a very good possibility of it being homemade.
Lets call it good till another shows up. Back to regular programing.
Thanks everyone.
 

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Apologies to wrenchguy, but I can’t let this go just yet. Frederick W Ulrich of Rock Falls Illinois held 14May1912 patent 1026133 for a tined hand cultivator. I found an expired eBay offering of that model, and two images (shown for educational purpose). The tapered ferrule with reinforced collar and lettering (though not orientation) is quite similar. Further, I found a sale site describing a 2-tine cultivator with an even closer match (seller could read “Ulrich Mfg” and September 20-something). I’ll try to get that link. I propose Ulrich held a previous patent for a cultivator which was the source of this screwdriver’s ferrule.
EDIT - here is the culprit on eBay
I think that is 24Sep1901
Or 29Sep1891 Andrew J Osborne patent 460157? That illustration does not share style, but the substance of a removable, auxilliary tine.
 

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Good work, LS. I saw dozens of ads for the three-tine model in c. 1900 era trade journals. They were very entertaining, referencing Tom Sawyer and the white fence story and proclaiming that it enabled "a 12 year old boy to do the work of three men." :)

And apologies schmologies, I've been searching on and off all day.

EDIT: See Pic 1 for what seems like the original ad. See Pic 2 for how they kept that line going. And Pic 3 for an ad with a better view of the ferrule and one that doesn't promote child labor. :)
 

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Gosh! Awesome skills you guys have! Thanks.
Side note, my youngest boy the crackerjack machinist stated the knurled shank most likely a back in the day school shop project.
 

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Not to put too fine a point on it, but...

As soon as I saw LS's picture, I thought the same thing. With all this info, I'll go back to my original impression (180 degrees out from Wrenchguy 's son) that the "knurled shaft" actually started out life as a file and the whole thing was Frankenstein-ed together as a project.
 

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I found a nice pre 1950 #1 Stanley Phillips today at an estate sale. It may end up in the Navy NAF box.
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As soon as I saw LS's picture, I thought the same thing. With all this info, I'll go back to my original impression (180 degrees out from Wrenchguy 's son) that the "knurled shaft" actually started out life as a file and the whole thing was Frankenstein-ed together as a project.

Here's another photo, maybe you can find a matching file pattern illustration.
A couple points about it i didn't mention, Checking with a file it's mild steel and looks like it was bent and then straightened in its life. It's got a mild noticeable whoopiedoo to it. With my limited knowledge of files I think it would be break if case hard.:headscrat
Its not tapered but same diameter until the machined ends.

When posted in GS i was really wondering about how much of it was knurled and it was pposted that it could be done in a minute. I left it thee.

It's definitely Frankenstein and will be labeled such.

Feel free to take this post to PM and see what it brings over there. Thanks.
 
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