To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

The Abrasive Blasting Resource Thread

To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina

dkmc

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 20, 2008
Messages
948
Location
NYS--Upstate in the corn fields
My Abrasive Blasting story....

I have a Trinco siphon cabinet with Aluminum Oxide media or Glass Beads, mostly keep the Alox in it.
Also have a bigger carcass cabinet outside I need to get working on.
Waaay back about 1982-3 I went to "sand blast skool" and found out just how much air (CFM) it really takes to accomplish anything, AND that siphon is a joke compared to Pressure Pot "technology".


Once I figured out the magic formula, I set about building a Pressure Pot blaster using an old "forklift" LP tank, and what I call a "Bar Stock" blast valve. Basically a blast valve made from 1018 steel barstock. and nozzle made from a 1/2" pipe plug. (Use steel not cast iron) No, the hole didn't last too long, and quickly eroded from 1/8" to over 1/4" during a few hours of operation. But it's a cheap part.

Air....can't get enough!

Whew.....Skool of Hard Knocks!
Started with (believe it or not...it's pretty funny now) a Crapsman 1/2HP oil-less and tank-less "compressor". Man what a POS! And a small siphon gun that looked like a paint spray gun.....back in the late '70's.
Somehow I began to sense this "air requirement" thing,
And if 1/2HP is BAD, then 3 or 4 HP should REALLY make things happen!

NOT

Well, I then went on to 2 WABCO air brake compressors (big rig equipment), driven with a lawn tractor. SURELY this would be the ultimate ammount of air! And that was probably about 16-18CFM....JOKE!

Finally, I figured out just what CFM was, and what was needed to REALLY make things happen. I think I found an Orifice chart in the back of a Grainger catalog.
Back when the Grainger catalog had all that cool engineering information in the back few pages.

Well, I found an old IR 105 3 cylinder portable for sale simply by driving along the lake one day. Probably because I was NOW looking for such, and sorta KNEW what I was needing to spot. Wish I had pics, but don't. Probably from the late '40's, it had a 3 cylinder 2 stage compressor, driven by a Waukesha 4 cylinder engine, monster....5-1/4 Bore x 4-5/8 Stroke....400 cubic inches!
750 RPM max, it really seemed economical on gas.

Had a knock from the day I got it running, found out years later (after a buddy bought it about 4th hand from me) that a wrist pin bushing was totally missing.

This thing made AIR!
100 CFM at 100 PSI.....I am
IN BUSINESS now, and I filled the back yard with sand, and (I'm sure) drove some of the (close) neighbors to the breaking point. This is at my parents house in the city, where a typical lot is 50 x 100. Ours was 50 x 180. I just CAN NOT imagine having ME as a neighbor back in the day. How did they not call the cops?

My extra measure of neighborly awareness was to fit a Hush Thrush non-straight-thru muffler to the rig, to assure whisper-quiet operation of the compressor (as opposed to the straight pipe it had).
Never taking into consideration the sound of the air exiting the blast nozzle! Oh my gosh.

I did a lathe complete. Blast, fill, repaint. THE reason I studied Sand Blasting in the first place, to blast an old flat belt lathe back into a sort of presentable state. In July....at 95F ambient. Because I wanted to see if I could. And I was determined to.
And then I did car frames, wheels, lawn furniture, etc.
Till I had enough.....about 6 months later.


Glory daze...
 
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
Excellent contribution, dkmc. I can relate to the experiences you went through, as mine was somewhat similar. I just got my hands on a Gordon Smith 110 cfm compressor last weekend for $800. It needs a little tlc, but should be just the ticket. About 25 years ago I had a Chrysler inline 6 that ran on three and pumped on three, about 75 cfm. This one is a 302 Ford engine that runs on one bank of four and pumps air with the other bank of four. Someone asked me why at 63 I was buying something like that and the answer was "because I could". I'm gearing up for retirement entertainment. Now to locate a decent blaster pot......
 

GETRIDAONE

Well-known member
Joined
May 21, 2013
Messages
1,549
Location
Auburn, GA
I had to step up to the good stuff. JB weld to repair the inside of the gun before putting a new nozzle in it. I seem to never check it before it is to late. :dunno:
 
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
My 110 cfm compressor for blasting that I bought a couple weekends ago. It is a Gordon Smith 302 Ford monoblock unit. Runs on 4, pumps on the other 4, using a special head on one bank of cylinders. They are very compact units, and were used by a lot of rental companies.
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    52.8 KB · Views: 140
Last edited:

dkmc

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 20, 2008
Messages
948
Location
NYS--Upstate in the corn fields
OccupantRJ

Nice compressor!
You need to do a Check out, Commissioning, and Operation thread on that project!
If I was local, I'd be wanting to come over and check it out.
 
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
OccupantRJ

Nice compressor!
You need to do a Check out, Commissioning, and Operation thread on that project!
If I was local, I'd be wanting to come over and check it out.

You are welcome to drop by if you ever venture down this way! Here is a youtube clip of one running.

 
Last edited:
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
I disassembled the Andersen blaster pot I got a couple weekends ago to do a rebuild on it. This unit turned out to be a wet blaster, which I am not interested in at the moment. For $50 I can suffer through it. The sand regulator on the two Andersen units I have had are internal to the tank, and the abrasive flow is controlled by rotating a handle on top of the tank. I removed everything from the pot and will do a replumbing on the piping to convert it to a dry pot. On my pot the sand valve end was eroded away, so I fabricated a new one and capped off the previous sand outlet. The wet pot exited out of the top and the dry tank will exit from the bottom. Here is a pic of the internal sand valve. When the pipe is rotated, the port becomes smaller or larger to adjust the flow of sand into the airstream.
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    10.1 KB · Views: 107
Last edited:
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
I did a little experiment tonight relative to one of my suction guns from the blast cabinets. A polyurethane plug was drilled and tapped to push fit into the grit suction port of the gun, and a vacuum guage was screwed into this. Air was applied to the gun, and a suction reading of 4 inches of vacuum was noted. I then made a 1/8" rearward adjustment of the air jet tube relative to the blast nozzle, and the vacuum rose to 15 inches. Quite impressive I thought, and I will be experimenting with this further. This adjustment possibility had occurred to me when writing a previous thread, so I had to give it a try to see if my theory was plausable to tune a suction gun. Seems it was after all.
 

600SL

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 26, 2012
Messages
1,794
Location
Connecticut
I just purchased this 970 unit from TP tools. I really like it. Its big enough for my auto sub frames. I got the optional wheel kit and the ******** to help the sand go down. I have been running it at 80 PSI according to recommendations and my 3.7HP Kobelt compressor will keep up just at that pressure fine as I haven't seen the system pressure drop below 90 yet but it does run all the time. I do believe I will end up destroying my compressor soon and have an excuse to purchase a 7.5HP Champion.

I'm just getting up to speed with this and need to do some experimenting with blast media and pressures. I've only used the 50Lb of **** Blast that came with if so far and I have just completed stripping down an Eco Tireflator. So far I have found the ******** to be a must for this unit. Probably because the cabinet is so wide that the slopes are too shallow for the sand to slide down unaided. Since adding the ******** it works very well. I will also be trying a little more sand. TP tools warned me about to much sand because it can form a bridge. They recommended I keep it to no more than a bag and a half.
 

Attachments

  • P1010018.jpg
    P1010018.jpg
    127.5 KB · Views: 201
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
You are welcome! I do quite a bit of blasting, so I find it interesting. I hope you all are able to get some good info from this thread. One of my cabinets.
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    10.7 KB · Views: 166
Last edited:

cbacres

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2010
Messages
5,998
Location
SW Florida
Here's my start into the blast cabinet world. I picked this no name ( no data plate) and it just looks shop built, although it was built nice and stout. All the seams are caulked.

In need to add flanges for the gloves, a light, build a window frame and a seal for the door. The full width door is what I really like.
I been skimming through this thread and I'm sure I'll be able to get this up and running with all the info here.

It'll be just for my home shop and won't see the use that some of you give yours.

956b5b14bc9a7a98589145d2a5f88057.jpg
bf13f960a75d84fe980007b9e70d6012.jpg

I came across a Trinco dust collector in a scrap yard, the can is crushed up, but motor and I'm thinking the filter assembly should be of use. Debating if I should buy, there at $ 50 , I think I can get it down a little. It would be somewhere to start for dust collection and I think it would be far better than a shop vac.
4bb124d478b2d25e9953b35e150de98e.jpg
 
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
I say go for it on the trinco unit. The dents can be removed with a dead blow hammer. The separator and the abrasive feed type make or break a suction cabinet in my opinion.
 
Last edited:

cbacres

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2010
Messages
5,998
Location
SW Florida
I say go for it on the trinco unit. The dents can be removed with a dead blow hammer. The separator and the abrasive feed type make or break a suction cabinet in my opinion. Here ya go.
https://www.rex-supply.com/MSDS/PA5024BP.pdf

I'm going to see about getting the Trinco this week. I think it'll make all the diffrence. The Trinco cabinet is there also, needs all the gloves, gun and hoses.
I'm still bouncing that around.

Could you use two 30 gallon drums as replacement for the damaged two?

I was thinking the same. I'll just beat it back to shape for now, and maybe get drums later.

Thanks guys.
 
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
I'm going to see about getting the Trinco this week. I think it'll make all the diffrence. The Trinco cabinet is there also, needs all the gloves, gun and hoses.
I'm still bouncing that around.



I was thinking the same. I'll just beat it back to shape for now, and maybe get drums later.

Thanks guys.

You could get the Trinco cabinet and have two. Use glass beads in one and aluminum oxide for paint and rust removal in the other. That is what I have going on. There is a link in post #1 about my Trinco refurb. It is the first link.
 
Last edited:

davidhansen

Active member
Joined
Feb 10, 2016
Messages
44
You are welcome! I do quite a bit of blasting, so I find it interesting. I hope you all are able to get some good info from this thread. One of my cabinets.

That is really nice! Also, thank you so much for this thread- I'm learning so much.
 
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
My son came over tonight to blast the upper dovetail ram from his Bridgeport. It was so heavy we had to load it into the cabinet with the forklift. No worries, the floor perforated plate is 1/4" thick steel. It looks a little lost in there, and it certainly is not a small part. We used aluminum oxide with 100 psi while flowing, with a 1/8" air jet. A 5/32" air jet ran the compressor a bit harder than I like.
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    10.1 KB · Views: 177
Last edited:
OP
O

OccupantRJ

Well-known member
Joined
May 15, 2009
Messages
10,959
Location
Eastern North Carolina
Load 'er up! Testing my forklift skills. Been hobby and work blasting for 30 years, and this is the first time I ever had to load a part in a cabinet with a forklift!
 

Attachments

  • image.jpg
    image.jpg
    19.3 KB · Views: 122
Last edited:
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom