Our 22 X 30 "Scout" Den

jmait769 · Aug 13, 2012

I was directed to the GJ from another forum (BinderPlanet) when I had mentioned I would probably add a new shop and what a great site this is! I’m hooked and have stopped in daily since joining. We thought we would share our adventure as so many of you have here. Believe me we will be incorporating many of the great ideas presented here.

Current garage: We had our home built about 10 years ago just before I retired from the Army and I was lucky that the budget allowed for an attached three car garage. We chose a Santa Fe style home, which has no attic space, so the idea was to build storage into the garage. For a few years the “third” garage was the storage area and about 6 or 7 years ago I started to transform it into a usable three car garage. I built these cabinets to store everything including tools, tool box, air compressor and incorporated a few bench areas as best I could.

I have since painted the garage a light grey but have not completed a few projects like sealing the floor, finishing the rollout cabinet for the saw or adding in some much needed light.

Sorry if the title of our thread is a bit misleading but my daughter and I have a passion for restoring/building International Scouts and that has led to the need for some additional shop space. Our first build together was the 66 Mustang but you can read about our Scout builds here:

1977 Scout: http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104381

1965 Scout: http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107381

More to follow!

Jay

jmait769 · Aug 13, 2012

New Shop: We are on our third Scout and decided to do a frame off restoration on the 1965 model 80 and this led us to the start of the new shop. Basically the wife wanted her parking slot back and that is good enough reason for me to add shop space!! Our house sits on a little less than ½ acre and since one side of the house has an RV port we were limited to the opposite side. There is also a 5’ easement around the fence perimeter and no structure can come within 10’ of any portion of house. This limited the building to a maximum pad size of 22 X 30 and required the garage door to be on the short side. We are planning to have a two post lift so we also wanted to go with maximum ceiling height. Because we are limited to build only as high as the current home structure a stick build became quite expensive. I had a number of quotes and they were all well above our budget. Oh yes, I should say that there is not an unlimited budget! My neighbor has a metal building manufactured by Mueller and in the end that is what we went with.

So the building will be 22 wide, 30 long with 12’ walls and a 2/12 pitch.

The frame structure:

The preliminary layout (a work in progress):

I submitted my plan to the city a few weeks back and received approval.

Foundation: The slab will be a 6” pour with 12” x 18” footers required by code. There will be 2’ by 2’ footers where the columns rest with anchor bolts. I contracted out the cement work and they started this week:

This is my wifes WTF moment! She thinks it will be too big! :dunno:

After these shots were taken they came back and added the chairs to the wire mesh which is required by the city.

Electrical: The house is supplied by an underground circuit from the front and of course my electrical panel is 100 amps. So I had a number of bids to upgrade to 200 amp service and run electrical to the shop which has varied from as high as $6000 to as low as $4200. Our housing area backs up to what we call the “old” neighborhood and just by chance there is a pole with a 10k transformer in the backyard behind mine supplying one house. I was able to get permission from the electrical company and the city to run a line from that pole to the shop so will be able to get 100 amp service but will have separate bills. I’m still in the bid process for that.

This pretty much brings it up to date. Once the permits were approved I ordered the building and that is in manufacture now. I'm waiting on the slab inspection and hope to have the cement work done this week!

Jay

uniballer · Aug 13, 2012

very nice scout, good luck with the garage.

JDishong · Aug 13, 2012

Let's talk cabinets. Love the style and the fact they are lifted off the ground. Can you share more pics and tell about the construction. Here are some real low-cost cabinets I made and I plan to build more for my new garage.

3pedal · Aug 14, 2012

You current garage looks nice, but I bet you can't wait to have a dedicated space to work on the Scouts. The finished one looks sharp.

Pulling power off the old pole in back is great thinking outside the box.

I used to get to Las Cruces a fair amount, but have not been there in years.

Scout Driver · Aug 14, 2012

Welcome from a fellow BinderPlanet member! :rocker:

Very nice garage and a beautiful SSII.

Scott

jmait769 · Aug 14, 2012

uniballer said:
very nice scout, good luck with the garage.

Hey thanks!!

JDishong said:
Let's talk cabinets. Love the style and the fact they are lifted off the ground. Can you share more pics and tell about the construction. Here are some real low-cost cabinets I made and I plan to build more for my new garage.

Hey those cabinets look great! The cabinets were made a few years back so I will get some better pics of the inside but basically they are constructed from ¾ and 5/8 particle board, the face trimmed and the doors were made with poplar and then the insert. I’ve attached a .pdf file with some more information.

The cabinets are 6” off of the floor and are held by a French cleat to the wall and lagged into the wall studs at the bottom also. Makes it easy to clean under them!

The air compressor and the tool box are supported the same at the top but the bottoms are really platforms with their own metal bracing attached to the studs.

These cabinets have been up a number of years and have worn well. These were recently taken:

I’ll take some pics of the insides this evening.

3pedal said:
You current garage looks nice, but I bet you can't wait to have a dedicated space to work on the Scouts. The finished one looks sharp.

Pulling power off the old pole in back is great thinking outside the box.

I used to get to Las Cruces a fair amount, but have not been there in years.

Thanks! I actually have stayed in Longmount a few times for certification at Blackfox on Delaware. Beautiful city!!

Scout Driver said:
Welcome from a fellow BinderPlanet member!

Very nice garage and a beautiful SSII.

Scott

Thanks Scott!!! Appreciate the welcome!

Jay

RaysnCayne · Aug 14, 2012

Wow, nice cabinets! Way to stay committed to the clean, uniform and off-the-floor theme.

Even with the extra metal bracing, are you concerned about the weight of the tool box pulling out on the wall? Or is the wall it's attached to a stronger 2x6 wall vs. the normal 2x4?

jmait769 · Aug 14, 2012

RaysnCayne said:
Wow, nice cabinets! Way to stay committed to the clean, uniform and off-the-floor theme.

Even with the extra metal bracing, are you concerned about the weight of the tool box pulling out on the wall? Or is the wall it's attached to a stronger 2x6 wall vs. the normal 2x4?

Thanks! Normal 2x4 construction. The toolbox cabinet and the air compressor cabinet are mounted on basically the strongest part of the garage. The wall T’s with the house there and behind the toolbox the wall is attached to the overhang for the front door. I limited the depth of the cabinets so we would not overload them and they have been up since 2005 – 2006 time period with no problems to the structure or anything. I should say that if anyone is contemplating this they should evaluate their individual structure first and make a decision based on that before hanging them! :fingersx:

Jay

timbitca · Aug 14, 2012

Love those cabinets. Can't wait to see the new space!

Pavement SuX · Aug 14, 2012

Love the Scouts man....I always love scouts

jmait769 · Aug 15, 2012

timbitca said:
Love those cabinets. Can't wait to see the new space!

Thanks!

Pavement SuX said:
Love the Scouts man....I always love scouts

Yes and they seem to multiply quite easily!!

Here are some pics of the support for the toolbox and air compressor. Two on each side. I had forgotten but the base/platform they are on is 2x4 framed.

Good news is the city approved the prep of the slab!! :rocker:

Hopefully will get it poured this week.

Jay

jmait769 · Aug 18, 2012

Well, the pad was poured this week and I'm very happy with the results.

Flooded it which lasted a few days due to the rain we have had in the area.

Removed the earth dam around the perimeter they had created. Caused a little staining.

Building is in production so hopefully will be early!!

Jay

binder man · Aug 19, 2012

good looking scouts! I'm not on the planet but I'm over at Justih.org! stopped in a few times on the planet though! coming along nicely.

jmait769 · Sep 23, 2012

binder man said:
good looking scouts! I'm not on the planet but I'm over at Justih.org! stopped in a few times on the planet though! coming along nicely.

Thanks!!

Finally received the building and we started erecting it on Wednesday.

We rented a material lift capable of lifting 850lbs and it worked well getting everything in place. That is my father in law on the ladder.

My wife even helped out!

Endeavour flew over on Thursday while we were working!

We had a small snafu as we were missing two purlins on the right side. Mueller is delivering those tomorrow but this allowed us to finish up at a slower pace. Put the Scout in to see how it fits!

Hopefully we can finish up next weekend - then electrical!

Jay

Kevin54 · Sep 23, 2012

Good looking garage so far, but that is a great looking pic right there!!! :thumbup:

timbitca · Sep 23, 2012

Looking good!

Wyo_Shop · Sep 25, 2012

Greetings from another Binder Planet member. If I had to build a shop for all my Scouts, I'd be better off buying one of the old ammo buildings at the Air Force base . . .

vegar · Sep 25, 2012

jmait769 said:
Jay

This was a neat work bench. Nice to put away the saw

n2ocamaro · Sep 25, 2012

Those cabinets in the existing garage look great. What did you use on the doors that looks like tiles? Nice progress on the new garage. Interested to see how you finish it out.

jmait769 · Sep 26, 2012

Kevin54 said:
Good looking garage so far, but that is a great looking pic right there!!!

Thanks! We knew it was going to fly over near us but did not realized it would be that close! A few more as it went by:

timbitca said:
Looking good!

Thanks!

Wyo_Shop said:
Greetings from another Binder Planet member. If I had to build a shop for all my Scouts, I'd be better off buying one of the old ammo buildings at the Air Force base . . .

Hi! Yes they multiply rather quickly and no way is this enough space to house them all!

vegar said:
This was a neat work bench. Nice to put away the saw

Thanks! I finished the cabinets on the side but still need to finish the rollout portion. I’ll try to get a pic of those later on.

n2ocamaro said:
Those cabinets in the existing garage look great. What did you use on the doors that looks like tiles? Nice progress on the new garage. Interested to see how you finish it out.

Thanks! That is a metallic look tile board from DPI I believe. I got it at Lowes a few years ago. They stopped carrying it but I found an example here: http://www.americanprohomecenter.com/dpi.html

Jay

Brewsterg6 · Sep 26, 2012

Very nice start you're off to! Those cabinets look really nice too. Looks like the correct thought and work is going into the garage, just like it went into the Scout restoration.

jmait769 · Oct 20, 2012

Well, this took a lot longer than we thought! We have been slowly putting this up on the weekends and finally finished the building this past week.

Jay

jmait769 · Oct 20, 2012

Started to move in.

Little night work!

Up next is electrical (he started today!) and some more cement work. We decided to pour a 14x20 driveway, a pad under the back door and a pad for an external air compressor. Hopefully will get those started next week.

Jay

Tomg303 · Oct 22, 2012

Saw your build on Binder Planet. Not surprised your scout has an equally gorgeous home to park in. Great job!

Mavawreck · Oct 22, 2012

Does the 80 next to your 80 chassis mean you guys bought another?

I follow your builds on binderplanet too. Would love to hear some more details on the 'stang as well. You guys are living the dream.

jmait769 · Oct 23, 2012

Tomg303 said:
Saw your build on Binder Planet. Not surprised your scout has an equally gorgeous home to park in. Great job!

Hey – Thanks! It has taken some time from the 80 but worth it! See you on the Planet!!

Mavawreck said:
Does the 80 next to your 80 chassis mean you guys bought another?

I follow your builds on binderplanet too. Would love to hear some more details on the 'stang as well. You guys are living the dream.

You know how Scouts multiply! This build we are taking the best from two Scout 80’s and combining into one to make our version of a red carpet special. We have a 78 Scout II that we hope to transform into a trail rig but still not certain on its direction.

The Mustang was the first build for my daughter and me. She really liked old cars and liked to go to car shows with me so who was I to say no when she found it!!

It had a 6 cylinder in it and we drove it around for a year like that. We determined that the engine was from the 70’s and not original so the decision was made to convert to a V8. We found a 302 from a 69 Torino built by a local engine builder, upgraded the transmission to a TCI AOD, converted it with V8 rear axle and front spindles and power disk brakes front and rear. I could go on and on

but we have had it since she was 14 so about 6 years. Still needs body work and paint but it’s a driver! Here are some pics:

Jay

jmait769 · Oct 23, 2012

My electrician left a few lights for me to try out. One is the Hang-A-Light HL400PS 400w metal halide pictured above which I really liked. Probably not an everyday light for this size garage :shocking:

! He also left a Stonco DTD12LED4KPCB-1 http://www.stonco.com/uploads/library/resources/stonco_DTD2pg_912.pdf. Anyone have any feedback on this LED light – good or bad? I can get it for $110. I temporarily mounted it and was pretty impressed for 30w. Very bright!!

Jay

lowell66dart · Oct 23, 2012

My building arrives tomorrow and I need that light. Where can I get one for that price? Thanks.

jmait769 · Oct 24, 2012

lowell66dart said:
My building arrives tomorrow and I need that light. Where can I get one for that price? Thanks.

I’m not sure as my electrician got this from a local electrical supplier. Good luck with your garage!

Got the rest of the cement work completed yesterday. Pic just before they started the pour on the driveway:

Jay

1921runabout · Oct 24, 2012

Jay,

Your project is looking great. Very nice vehicles also. I'm looking forward to starting on my garage soon.

Orlando

richtersrodz · Oct 24, 2012

Looking great! I'm not usually a Stang guy, but yours ROCKS! I love that color and the wheels..

JCQuick · Oct 25, 2012

are you planning on doing anything with the interior walls and floor?

milner351 · Oct 25, 2012

Looks fabulous and gives me hope that a full metal building can be built with a few folks willing to turn some wrenches. That material lift looks like a great way to deal with the lifting, it probably leaks a lot less than my '53 towmotor too. ;-)

jmait769 · Oct 25, 2012

1921runabout said:
Jay,

Your project is looking great. Very nice vehicles also. I'm looking forward to starting on my garage soon.

Orlando

Hey thanks Orlando! Love the 1921 Runabout!! I spent a week in Portales (first time in the area!) while working at Cannon AFB a few months back - not much between there and Roswell!!!

richtersrodz said:
Looking great! I'm not usually a Stang guy, but yours ROCKS! I love that color and the wheels..

Thanks!! My daughter insisted on those wheels and I was not to excited about them at first but I like them now too.

JCQuick said:
are you planning on doing anything with the interior walls and floor?

The walls yes. I will have to cover the insulation especially for welding and it is easy to cut into the white layer that you can see. It already has a few scars! I’ve pretty much decided to use some type of metal also. As far as the floor goes I have gone back and forth on what to do. I have to admit I’m pretty hard on a floor but it pains me to leave it bare. My back ground is aviation and I always liked when the hanger had a nice epoxy coat on it especially a light color but know they don’t stay perfect after some abuse. A product like Racedeck appeals to me also but not sure how it would hold up as far as welding goes. I read the flooring section daily here on GJ for help – always good info there!

milner351 said:
Looks fabulous and gives me hope that a full metal building can be built with a few folks willing to turn some wrenches. That material lift looks like a great way to deal with the lifting, it probably leaks a lot less than my '53 towmotor too. ;-)

Thanks! Yes that lift was a life saver. I had never seen one before but the erection video Mueller distributes used one and our local rental company had it for $50 a day.

The electrician is hard at it this week. Just want to get a few outlets (110 and 220), lighting and the service connected for now. Will add to it when funds permit.

Jay

jmait769 · Nov 3, 2012

Some progress!

Concrete work on the outside has been completed.

Small porch at the rear door.

Pad for air compressor.

The electrical work is finished! Pretty basic system – 200 amp service with outlets the length of the building including one 240v outlet, 4 t8 fluorescent fixtures (two on each side) and one 400w metal halide light in the center. Took a little longer than we thought but once the rough in was approved it pretty much wrapped up in two days with our final yesterday.

This was taken early on.

We decided to tackle the floors and coat them with product from Supercoat after reading regguy1’s thread and all the positive reviews on Sam’s Club website.

Etched and power washed the floors.

After we applied the flakes. (looks darker than it is - shot below is closer to correct)

I’m not a golfer and cheap so made my own spike shoes!! :lol_hitti

Still have to put the clear coat on.

Jay

cj7365 · Nov 4, 2012

Thats really looking goood, nice Scout, retired Army here as well, Im usually in L.C. once a month out on the trails. Maybe well see ya out there one day

jmait769 · Nov 5, 2012

cj7365 said:
Thats really looking goood, nice Scout, retired Army here as well, Im usually in L.C. once a month out on the trails. Maybe well see ya out there one day

Hey thanks! I sent you a PM.

Put down the clear coat on the floor and everything turned out great. Have to stay off of it a few more days but really happy with the results so far. We did manage to get the body off of that scout so on to body work for it!

Jay

Omphaloskeptic · Nov 5, 2012

Looking very good; 'high and tight' I believe is the correct military phrase. :beer:

Now that the floor is coated, how are you planning to protect it from welding, grinding, etc.? Take a picture for us here at GJ; take a night shot to highlight the clear coat.

What is the plan for the air compressor pad? Are you going to enclose it with the same material as the building? Any plan for a 'porch' roof?

Keep us posted on the progress on all fronts: building, Scout(s), Mustang paint, and anything else you care to share. That's some beautiful country from the pics, never been there, so how's about posting some more pics of 'Scout(ing) in the Wild'. I've got my Willys PU project to keep me busy, but, DANG, I'd like to own a Scout one of these days! They just look like a 'Ton-O-Fun'!

JCQuick · Nov 5, 2012

Love it floor looks good thanks for posting btw

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