Olds Rocket Pad, 40 x 30 pole build

TK-65 · Jul 9, 2013

First post, been a long time lurker. Finally got my permit to build a shop to house my Oldsmobile/parts collection. Size will be 40 x 30, pole construction. Limited on size and height, would have went bigger but didnt want to apply for a variance. Im questioning my choice in door size. Right now they are 10 x 8 with a 3 foot service in between. I like the look of it but I dont want them to be useless. Should I go with a 12 x 8 and move the service door to the outside of the doors?

cruisers4wdtoy@yahoo.com · Jul 10, 2013

I am building a pole barn simular to the one you plan on building. Mine is all steel. Doors are 12x10. I installed them last night. Now just the cement.

xtremek · Jul 10, 2013

I would think that having the doors like you do will give you better access to the back corners of the building.

NHBandit · Jul 10, 2013

Are you limiting the height because of permit restrictions ? Putting in a lift at a later date will possibly be difficult. Here is how I did my 30x40x12 using 10x10 doors. I wanted an "office" type area on one end to display my gas & oil & racing memorabilia collection and to have a place for my computer, etc. You can read all about it here.. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188161

TK-65 · Jul 10, 2013

If I go higher than 12 foot at the center of the truss Id have to file for a variance. Anything bigger than my house the same. The twp inspector told me Id never get my original plan passed. I live in a residential area but I have a large lot. I guess they dont want buildings that take up the entire lot.

I really dont need a lift, all Ive ever known is working on my back. And I dont want to tie up floor space by installing one.

Kevin54 · Jul 10, 2013

TK-65 said:
If I go higher than 12 foot at the center of the truss Id have to file for a variance. Anything bigger than my house the same. The twp inspector told me Id never get my original plan passed. I live in a residential area but I have a large lot. I guess they dont want buildings that take up the entire lot.

I really dont need a lift, all Ive ever known is working on my back. And I dont want to tie up floor space by installing one.

Believe me, when you get a couple of more years on you, you'll really wish you had a lift :beer:

Modifieddriver · Jul 11, 2013

Nice that you can build this with no zoning problem. How hard to apply for a variance?

You asked about OH door size and personnel door placement. If I had the option on door sizes, I would go with a 12'w x 8'h. Then put the personnel door off to one side.

This side of the building is pretty much used up with doors and to put the personnel door between the OH doors really screws things up. That wall space is now useless. If you wanted to put a hose reel on the wall there to share bays you're screwed. Same for other shared bay equipment. Something to think about.

I have a thread here with my current pole barn build. I thought about 10' doors because the poles are set every 10'. Take a look at what we did. It's no problem for the 12' doors. The header just has to be doubled up.

Here's my build: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195854

Think about the swing of the personnel door. RH or LH and what will it open against. I did this with my build to minimize wasted wall.

James Aiello · Jul 11, 2013

i like the garage but i want to see the rocket parts

jabberwoki · Jul 11, 2013

Me to I`ve got a 67 442 project in the wings.

TK-65 · Jul 11, 2013

James Aiello said:
i like the garage but i want to see the rocket parts

One done and one to go. Primer car is now torn down, and scattered all over my house, my shed and attached garage. Cant go any further until the pole building is up. No room to assemble anything.

TK-65 · Jul 11, 2013

Modifieddriver said:
Nice that you can build this with no zoning problem. How hard to apply for a variance?

200 bucks, and fill out the app on why I need what I want. They announce the request in the local paper, notify everyone within 300 feet, and have a vote after you make your case. My original plan was 40x35 with an attic. I was told it wouldnt pass the board. So I scaled it down to meet their requirements.

There are bigger builds around me, but are older and things have changed as the area builds out.

After I finish my current build Im not restoring any more cars. The shop will be used as storage for vehicles.

Modifieddriver · Jul 12, 2013

I like that style OLDS 442. Years ago I had a nice '67, bigger than yours. Sold it to a guy up north.

Apply for the variance. It'll be the best $200 you ever spent. Propose BIG. Settle for mid-size. Use comparables. Common outcome on these things is a low-profile request, nobody objects and you get what you want.

Shop size? It's always inversely proportional to what you can afford to put in it. Trust me, I know.

Kevin54 · Jul 12, 2013

Is that a '64 or '65 Olds 442? I know my wife would just about kill to have a '64

Coyote Red · Jul 12, 2013

Love your Olds!

James Aiello · Jul 12, 2013

oh my .... love the red one with the steelies..
four barrel, four speed dual exhaust...

i have a 1970 442 auto with bench seat, flat hood and no wing.... and keeping it that way. So tired of seeing all the fake w30s

Good luck with the garage!

TK-65 · Jul 12, 2013

Modifieddriver said:
I like that style OLDS 442. Years ago I had a nice '67, bigger than yours. Sold it to a guy up north.

Apply for the variance. It'll be the best $200 you ever spent. Propose BIG. Settle for mid-size. Use comparables. Common outcome on these things is a low-profile request, nobody objects and you get what you want.

Shop size? It's always inversely proportional to what you can afford to put in it. Trust me, I know.

I can always add onto the back of my existing because its attached. I can make it as big as I need and they cant say no, weird but thats what he told me. Right now, this size wont kill me money wise and gives me what I need.

TK-65 · Aug 23, 2013

First load of lumber arrived today.

TK-65 · Aug 30, 2013

The spot where the building is going..

A crew of four guys dropped all the poles in yesterday. Apparently they dug out all the holes by hand with post hole diggers.

Trusses arrived today.

saceone · Aug 30, 2013

Dug by hand? Damn! How deep? It's gonna look nice!

scab · Aug 30, 2013

Post hole diggers? Did they negotiate their price by the hour?

CNGsaves · Aug 30, 2013

Beautiful property and . . . LOVE the Olds !!

Might be good time to Update GJ Profile with location, as thread gets longer you might get asked several times.

Keep pics coming. Looking great !! :thumbup:

TK-65 · Aug 31, 2013

scab said:
Post hole diggers? Did they negotiate their price by the hour?

It was hotter than hell too, high 80s. I didnt hire Amish but they sure worked like Amish. Took one day and 3 guys to frame it out, dig holes and lay poles.

Cement work starts on Tuesday. He wants to get the pad down before framing it and hanging trusses.

TK-65 · Sep 3, 2013

Grass ripped out, filled with agg and graded. Inspection tomorrow and hopefully concrete on Thursday.

I talked to the construction guy and he told me they used an auger to do the holes. He laughed when I asked, they used the hole diggers to clean out the holes.

ghostknife · Sep 3, 2013

Very nice what ya have going on here, in for the updates

Diesel Dan · Sep 4, 2013

saceone said:
Dug by hand? Damn! How deep?

Wow such small holes! :shocking:

Ours were 24" round and 56" deep for a 30x40 shed.
Glad to see they removed the sod before pouring concrete, I'm amazed that some people still pour stone over top soil and then pour concrete.

Wish I had a few of those cars in my shed!

ARCTIC_RAGTOP · Sep 4, 2013

Nice Olds! I love that body style! Great progress with the shop build.

TK-65 · Sep 4, 2013

Framing started today. Pour is scheduled for tomorrow. Found out from the guys that one of my neighbors called to complain about the height today.

TK-65 · Sep 5, 2013

Trusses and roof boards instead of cement today. Its now hitting me how big its going to be.

Jwestercamp · Sep 5, 2013

I think one larger door is better choice more versatility in the future

TK-65 said:
First post, been a long time lurker. Finally got my permit to build a shop to house my Oldsmobile/parts collection. Size will be 40 x 30, pole construction. Limited on size and height, would have went bigger but didnt want to apply for a variance. Im questioning my choice in door size. Right now they are 10 x 8 with a 3 foot service in between. I like the look of it but I dont want them to be useless. Should I go with a 12 x 8 and move the service door to the outside of the doors?

kyle@hcb · Sep 5, 2013

Great start!

Kevin54 · Sep 6, 2013

TK-65 said:
Framing started today. Pour is scheduled for tomorrow. Found out from the guys that one of my neighbors called to complain about the height today.

Every neighborhood has that "ONE BUSYBODY" pain in the *** neighbor that complains. Truth be know, it's probably some ******* 3 blocks away that doesn't have anything better to do than drive around being a pain in someones ***.

TK-65 · Sep 6, 2013

Shingles are on, door openings framed out, and down braces for the girts are on. Pour is scheduled for Monday weather permitting.

ChevyEFI · Sep 7, 2013

1. Hosting your pictures on imageshack instead of tripping into the photobucket revenue machine would benefit both you and viewers who actually want to see the pictures you post.

2. Did you ever run that red 442 without wipers and with blackwalls when it was first completed?

CNGsaves · Sep 7, 2013

All pictures are gone due to the PhotoBucket bandwidth monster (ie bait and switch). Free is only free if it actually works.

Much better solution to add a USB harddrive to your computer for storing all your photos. Then just push them directly onto GJ using the Manage Attachments after you Edit the post and Go Advanced.

TK-65 · Sep 10, 2013

Slab is poured and saw cuts coming tomorrow.

TK-65 · Sep 14, 2013

Crew started on the siding this morning. They did the backside and half of the sides before calling it a day.

TK-65 · Sep 21, 2013

Project stalled out due to materials not being ordered by supply house. When the siding was delivered the soffits and some siding were missing. Some trim was also cut wrong. Supposed to be here by the end of next week.

TK-65 · Sep 30, 2013

Exterior siding and doors installed, so for now its done. Electrical will have to wait until next year.

941designs · Sep 30, 2013

Nicely done. Down here in Florida, code called for 36" diameter by 4' deep concrete on EACH pole on my 30' by 50' pole garage. Nice cars as well!

CNGsaves · Sep 30, 2013

Wow, don't know how any neighbor would have gall to complain about your shop. It turned out great !! With the surrounding trees, green grass, and quality of build, that is nice looking.

What really makes the shop is the overhang and shingled roof. Really takes away that "pole barn" look and more of normal shop.

Curious where this is located. Now would be good time to Update GJ Profile with State / City.

Thanks for sharing and keeps pics coming as interior is finished.

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