EK'S TOOL FINDS AND I.D. HELP!!! (an ongoing sub-forum)

ekegelmann · Feb 11, 2016

Ok, by the suggestion of other respected and helpful member and to keep the forum from being crowded with my post I've decided to start my own sub-forum for helpeople on tool I'd and value etc of items. I want eveyonr to know i always research on my own before posting. I however put a lot of stock into everyone's opinion and thank everyone for the help. Hopefully soon I can too be l ok me all of you and giving advice. I also post just in case people are interested in something I have and it can find the right home. I myself like proto and sk items. I however can never pass up the right deal to preserve something from the garbage.

Let me kick off the forum with this item I found today. It's a Ohio Tool Co. wood plane Number 3. Overall in good shape. The rust would be easily removed and the bottom is flat and not pitted at all. I don't know much about planes so I'm putting it out there for some help. Thanks for info everyone.

ekegelmann · Feb 11, 2016

Sorry for spelling and grammar errors. Using new phone.

drivesitfar · Feb 11, 2016

EK: nice idea for a thread. :thumbup:

your plane looks a lot like a Stanley so maybe the Ohio company was bought by Stanley?

also you can edit your posts instead of making another post like you did if you would rather do that.

good luck with your new thread and i'll check in to see what you find. also remember to post up plenty of pictures.

crguy · Feb 11, 2016

It's an Ohio plane, made by Ohio before Stanley bought them out. It's only going to be a user quality plane as there are chips in the left siderail.

ekegelmann · Feb 12, 2016

crguy said:
It's an Ohio plane, made by Ohio before Stanley bought them out. It's only going to be a user quality plane as there are chips in the left siderail.

Did Stanley buy them out or did they go out of business due to a fire or flood? This is pre 1920 my guess. Probably $50 bucks? If?

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drivesitfar · Feb 12, 2016

EK: not sure we want to be your appraisal service, but if you give dimensions along with great pictures and noted flaws and pluses some of us might help. remember you are talking to a group that might already own 10 or 50 of them and if we were to buy one $10 might be too much. do your research and if you use Ebay for asking prices remember to deduct 20% or so for Craigslist unless you know it's in demand.

to keep your thread going will take some work so posting lots of pictures of cool tools will get us coming back. JUST AN FYI. i started the Vise Repair 101 thread and for maybe a month i thought i was talking to myself and it seems like it on other threads at times. just know somebody is watching and if you finally put something on there they like or can comment on they probably will.

good luck.

crguy · Feb 12, 2016

I think it's a $10. or less plane.

ekegelmann · Feb 12, 2016

Thanks for the info. Again I keep 99% of all the things I find. I'll use your help and add descriptions and better photos as well and keep it to things I really don't know about. I honestly have posted only when I need help. On this particular plane I cannot find any on ebay or Google search which I try to always do first. So I'm clueless on its rarity or value.

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ekegelmann · Feb 12, 2016

crguy said:
I think it's a $10. or less plane.

Very well could be. Was a throw in when I got the bailey 8.

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crguy · Feb 12, 2016

ekegelmann said:
Thanks for the info. Again I keep 99% of all the things I find. I'll use your help and add descriptions and better photos as well and keep it to things I really don't know about. I honestly have posted only when I need help. On this particular plane I cannot find any on ebay or Google search which I try to always do first. So I'm clueless on its rarity or value.

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I just searched Ebay current listings for "Ohio plane" and got 223 hits. Many of those are wood bodied planes, but still a lot of metal body bench planes.

Google also has many results for an Ohio plane search.

So don't say there is nothing out there.

ekegelmann · Feb 12, 2016

I'm trying to find the same model. Yes there's plenty of Ohio tool Co planes etc

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crguy · Feb 12, 2016

ekegelmann said:
I'm trying to find the same model. Yes there's plenty of Ohio tool Co planes etc

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This is the same model in better condition that sold for $10.50. You're not looking very hard.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ohio-plane-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

hsvtoolfool · Feb 12, 2016

Value? Paperweight. Doorstop. Kayak anchor. You get the idea.

First, that plane is in very poor condition. It's probably not
restorable even to user-condition judging by the mouth size
alone. The mouth is so open it looks like a scrub plane.

Second, knock yourself on web searches for "ohio tool plane"...

http://www.davistownmuseum.org/bioOhio.html

http://www.timetestedtools.com/ohio-tools-planes.html

Plenty more info out there. Read away.

crguy · Feb 12, 2016

hsvtoolfool said:
Value? Paperweight. Doorstop. Kayak anchor. You get the idea.

First, that plane is in very poor condition. It's probably not
restorable even to user-condition judging by the mouth size
alone. The mouth is so open it looks like a scrub plane.

I'm not sure there is anything wrong with the mouth on that plane. The blade is sticking out past the front edge of the mouth in the picture making it look bigger. You do realize the Ohio planes have a thick tapered blade which requires a larger mouth opening - don't you?

ekegelmann · Feb 12, 2016

crguy said:
This is the same model in better condition that sold for $10.50. You're not looking very hard.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ohio-plane-...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Apparently. Doorstop it is lol.

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ekegelmann · Feb 12, 2016

hsvtoolfool said:
Value? Paperweight. Doorstop. Kayak anchor. You get the idea.

First, that plane is in very poor condition. It's probably not
restorable even to user-condition judging by the mouth size
alone. The mouth is so open it looks like a scrub plane.

Second, knock yourself on web searches for "ohio tool plane"...

http://www.davistownmuseum.org/bioOhio.html

http://www.timetestedtools.com/ohio-tools-planes.html

Plenty more info out there. Read away.

I did read these, thank you though

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crguy · Feb 13, 2016

The funny (or not) thing is: This guy comes on and asks a lot of questions about what things are, and what they're worth. Seems to be unable to do much of his own research, and certainly can't look up values on Ebay or Google. Starts his own sub forum just so we can tell him what his stuff is worth - When - he already has 700 listings on Ebay. :eyecrazy:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-EAR...394284?hash=item3d119b482c:g:TkUAAOSwUuFWvqYi

ekegelmann · Feb 13, 2016

I just listed it because it's a doorstop as you guys say. I keep tools I view as collectors pieces. I sell extras that I buy in collections for one or two pieces or that i do not want. I don't see the problem in asking for help on things. Better that I'm trying to make a living handicapped them live off the system. I refuse disability and try to make a living at the same time have a constructive hobby for me and my son and get slammed for doing so? As for my other job I'm a geneaologist, so I damn well know how to research things and I'm damn sure you've asked questions in the past about things you don't know as well. Everyone can't be an expert on every single thing. If I'm not welcome here than whomever the admin is just boot me off. I find it incredibly unfair that trying to find out what the value to true collectors and trying to learn things turns into this kind of bs. I'd sell or trade things with anyone on this forum for fair and even undervalued prices. I grew up going to my grandfathers every weekend and working with his tools. As an adult I've been trying to rebuild the collection he had for my son. There are some nice people on here, and then others who seem bothered. Why? Just move on and leave me alone. Instead your lives must be so incredibly sad that you must make fun of someone who doesn't know as much as you do. Sorry, I'm trying. For all the people that are nice, and helpful thank you. If youre ever looking for anything let me know. I would never charge money at ebay rates for good people adding to their collections. And again, I will add, I usually ask questions on items my son ask about or I dont have a clue on.

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four.cycle · Feb 13, 2016

calm down, calm down....

drivesitfar said:
"...and if you use Ebay for asking prices remember to deduct 20%..."

^ 20% ?

I honestly don't think you could possibly come up with a number. Really.
Asking prices and selling prices on Ebay tools are in no way connected to reality and/or actual real market value.

Some of the asking prices on some listings actually make me burst out laughing: sockets sets missing pieces or made of mis-matched pieces or rusty or with pimply chrome that sellers think are worth $100 bucks.
Selling prices are sometimes just as funny, if not more: $70 including shipping for a beat-to-hell mismatched CM -V- 1/4" drive set with no breaker or spinner.

My take: the price you see on Ebay (even the prices the items SOLD for) are insane.

The worst part of it is: pawnbrokers, swap-meet sellers, and Craigslist sellers refer to Ebay to set their prices in many cases, which only feeds the beast.

EK: Nice old plane. Beautiful wood on that rear handle. Looks a little rough around the edges though. I'd clean it off and use it for a bookmark - I have one on the shelf here next to me doing just that.

Cheers!

four.cycle · Feb 13, 2016

hey... and crguy: are you the guy southwest of me to whom I mentioned that I thought I had some old planes out in a store room?

PM me if you're that guy please. BK

drivesitfar · Feb 13, 2016

4C: i was only saying the 20% or somewhere near that for a starting price and see what offers show up. most likely the plane in it's current condition is only worth $20.

Also EBay might get some crazy prices, but they also have deals as many members will attest to. if you have the time and know what you want it's a great place to find something you just can't go to the store and buy.

CrGuy: are you saying you own the forum and are telling members what they need to do? you might be a great guy and you have some valid points, but you also have less than 100 posts and you just joined the forum. if you want to stick around and make this a better place it doesn't happen over night. it's come a long way in the 2 years since i've joined and it has a long way to go still before i won't feel like i don't want to quit posting or reading the posts every day or week.

i suggested EK have just one thread for all the tools he finds or needs information on instead of all the little threads he posts which you might have seen. he is doing that and he'll figure it out and what to post and what not to. in the meantime until he gets it up and running just give your comments about the tools or ignore the thread and don't post.

EK: i know you have more tools than the plane so post up plenty of pictures and let's move on to other stuff.

crguy · Feb 13, 2016

drivesitfar said:
4C:

CrGuy: are you saying you own the forum and are telling members what they need to do? you might be a great guy and you have some valid points, but you also have less than 100 posts and you just joined the forum. if you want to stick around and make this a better place it doesn't happen over night.
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Kind of a strange take on the situation here. Never said anything about owning the forum, and just because I'm new here doesn't mean I don't have knowledge and experience to back up my suggestions.

EK came on asking basic questions about old tools, and several of us offered advice about them and where to find information on his own. He said he couldn't find anything online about this Ohio O3, but a 30 second search found all kinds of information.

Despite the fact that I'm new here I feel I'm somewhat qualified to offer sound advice on tool collecting and selling. I've collected high end (not bottom feeder garage sale ****) for tools for over 30 years. I belong to numerous tool collecting organizations. Have sold thousands of old tools on Ebay since '99. Some of my tools have been written up in various articles.

In all my collecting time I have Never gone a forum asking what something was worth. Using the knowledge base on a forum to identify something is one thing, but mindlessly asking "what's this worth" when there are really no definitive answers just wastes forum space.

drivesitfar · Feb 13, 2016

CRGuy: i'm hearing you loud and clear. unfortunately there are still several members that will humiliate another member or flat out call them dumb or stupid for asking a question or buying a certain brand of tool.

i bet i've been in your garage or you might have met me at some place to exchange, buy or sell me a tool. Not sure who you are by your brief description but you sound like several great guys i know in Washington.

I know EK asks some questions that seem like it's easier to Google an answer than to ask and i'm sure he will some day. i know i've showed my Dad how to Google just a local newspaper and he still doesn't know how so he'll play his bridge game on his almost new Dell laptop. i'm not saying EK doesn't know how to Google, but i have guys on the vise thread look up posts about vises that i know are in there because i wrote them and couldn't find them and they find them in less than a minute.

i started a thread for us PNW guys if you'd like to post on it and post pictures of some of your cool tools and information. here's a link to help you get there and sorry if i sounded a bit gruff, but i raised 5 adult kids and every now and again they needed a little talk.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314689

EK: any other tools and if you run out of some maybe i'll post a few of my WTF tools until i get my thread set up. good luck

four.cycle · Feb 13, 2016

drivesitfar said:
"...EBay might get some crazy prices, but they also have deals as many members will attest to..."

No argument there, but: establishing a baseline for a selling price, or trying to ascertain "value" from Ebay "sold" prices - the actual dollar number a particular item sold for - is like trying to hit a moving target.

I've bought a mess of stuff on Ebay, but I've passed over far more because the asking prices were ridiculous. I've also "watched" dozens and dozens of items just to see what they actually sold for, and never cease to be amazed by what some stuff gets bid up to in the final two minutes. A good part of the "crazy" on Ebay is the buyers who at times seem to have no common sense or any idea of a given item's actual worth. I mentioned only a couple examples above of hundreds of I've so far seen in the short time I've used Ebay.

So again, I will submit that using Ebay as a source for determining selling price or value is like trying to play darts in a pitch dark room wearing a blindfold.

crguy · Feb 13, 2016

four.cycle said:
No argument there, but: establishing a baseline for a selling price, or trying to ascertain "value" from Ebay "sold" prices - the actual dollar number a particular item sold for - is like trying to hit a moving target.

So again, I will submit that using Ebay as a source for determining selling price or value is like trying to play darts in a pitch dark room wearing a blindfold.

So, tell me where to find a more reliable idea of current selling values?

There are No "price guides" out there that are even close to being accurate. Online dealer prices are always on the high side of reasonable.

Sure, Ebay has some unreasonable highs & lows - just like any other auction. And, you can find people "asking" all kinds of ridiculous prices for things.
All you have to do is average out the results of comparable items that have actually sold.
I still say that is the best source of current value available.

four.cycle · Feb 13, 2016

I still say that is the best source of current value available.

I agree.
That said, I still stand by my statement above.
Even poring through the "sold" listings and looking at what particular items sold for can be misleading.
Trying to do "apples to apples" on like items in the used tool market is chasing an elusive target because of all the variables involved.

Ebay as a starting point: sure, okay.
Ebay as a set "guideline": no way.

ekegelmann · Feb 13, 2016

I'll be adding some interesting things I have soon.

Here's the thing, I know how to google, I'm very in depth when it comes to research, almost ocd. As a geneaologist you have to be.

The reason I ask the good people like everyone here questions because you all have a love for tools and I appreciate and respect your opinions. Google gives me answers all the time. People here add a human element and conversation that I appreciate and like to have. I could go by Google and be done, but then why have any forums etc. This is all about friendships and sharing knowledge. If anyone ever wants family trees done or questions I'd be very willing to help. I am not a person who comes on here to get my ideal selling prices on ebay, do I sell tools Yes. Do I collect tools , ask my wife....YES, yes they fill not only my shed, office etc but all the counters etc.

Thank everyone for the help. I do greatly appreciate it.

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four.cycle · Feb 14, 2016

^ A problem with trying to find the answers you're looking for using Google on obscure items is that you're going to be led to a couple dozen different sites, some of which are invariably going to contain errata.
I've spent hours chasing around on the web looking for information on some little-known tool manufacturer or a particular item and in the end was just as puzzled as when I started.
The advantage to being able to use the resources available here - the guys on this site who are knowledgeable about a certain item or brand - is that if somebody posts something which is not correct, some other member will pipe up and say "Hey, wait a minute...."
Google's fine for what it is, but overflowing with useless nonsense like "Ask.com" - a complete waste of time.

Pinaud · Feb 14, 2016

A good reference for estimating value of old tools is the past sales prices of Browns auctions. You should also be familiar with the Fine Tool Journal's condition rating system.

ekegelmann · Feb 14, 2016

four.cycle said:
^ A problem with trying to find the answers you're looking for using Google on obscure items is that you're going to be led to a couple dozen different sites, some of which are invariably going to contain errata.
I've spent hours chasing around on the web looking for information on some little-known tool manufacturer or a particular item and in the end was just as puzzled as when I started.
The advantage to being able to use the resources available here - the guys on this site who are knowledgeable about a certain item or brand - is that if somebody posts something which is not correct, some other member will pipe up and say "Hey, wait a minute...."
Google's fine for what it is, but overflowing with useless nonsense like "Ask.com" - a complete waste of time.

This is why I like to turn to people who know the product and perhaps have used it. Yet some people think I'm being an idiot doing do. Not fair.

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drivesitfar · Feb 14, 2016

EK: i don't think anybody was thinking you are an idiot so don't be hard on yourself. we are a friendly and helpful group here and honestly our willingness to share has been abused by some so we are a little rough until we get to know the poster if too many questions are asked often.

you might not have a tool to post today, but i think this thread is getting some good posts about how to determine value.

of course you need at least two bidders on EBay to get some of those high prices, but if you see the same item selling in similar condition for about the same price you get an idea. maybe not asking about value all the time might get you more guys and gals giving you information about the tool which is really what i think is the goal.

PINAUD: do you have a link for that site you mentioned that you can post? also looks like you are a new member so welcome to the group and hope you stick around to learn and keep teaching us

crguy · Feb 14, 2016

Pinaud said:
A good reference for estimating value of old tools is the past sales prices of Browns auctions. You should also be familiar with the Fine Tool Journal's condition rating system.

The problem with that idea is you have to Buy the auction catalogs to get the realized price lists. Same with the Donnelly auctions.
Auction catalogs typically show only 1 picture of an item and the auctioneer's condition estimate - which is always slanted in the auctions' favor.

LesserSon · Feb 14, 2016

I worked in retail in the late 80s and early 90s. At the simplest level, merchants set their prices at twice what they source stock at, hoping to recover their investment, overhead, and hopefully make a small profit to feed expansion (or whatever ambition). Despite the best efforts of legions of accountants over thousands of years, it's still just a game. If you want to play, just play. If you agonize over the maximum the market will bear, you're diverting your attention from other opportunities. Make your markup and move on. Letting someone else ALSO feel like they got a deal goes a long way toward customer satisfaction.

ekegelmann · Feb 14, 2016

Here is a neat item everyone might find interesting, this was my grandfathers. I remember him using it when I was little. If anyone is a welder and interested Id love for it to find the right home and be fixed up real nice. Ive been lugging it around now for 20 plus years. I just cant part with it til I know it finds the right place.

Pinaud · Feb 15, 2016

crguy said:
The problem with that idea is you have to Buy the auction catalogs to get the realized price lists. Same with the Donnelly auctions.
Auction catalogs typically show only 1 picture of an item and the auctioneer's condition estimate - which is always slanted in the auctions' favor.

True, however the FTJ quarterly publication lists the realized prices of the absentee auctions, as well as containing very well written articles on tools. A subscription is $29 a year in the U.S.. well worth it for the articles alone for anyone interested in tools. in the OP's case (business) it seems a wise investment in my opinion.

Fretters · Feb 15, 2016

Price is always relative. As a bunch, some probably have a good grasp of what's a going rate, but that varies a lot with location etc. Even silly things like time of year can affect prices.

ekegelmann said:
Here is a neat item everyone might find interesting, this was my grandfathers. I remember him using it when I was little. If anyone is a welder and interested Id love for it to find the right home and be fixed up real nice. Ive been lugging it around now for 20 plus years. I just cant part with it til I know it finds the right place.

That looks a nice piece.

A word of caution if I might? Just be prudent if you do get any responses regarding that on here. Better to stick to known members than if a new member crops up asking about it. Some on here have been bitten by people like that, so go with someone whom you can gauge and who has some known history.

ekegelmann · Feb 15, 2016

Fretters said:
Price is always relative. As a bunch, some probably have a good grasp of what's a going rate, but that varies a lot with location etc. Even silly things like time of year can affect prices.

That looks a nice piece. A word of caution if I might? Just be prudent if you do get any responses regarding that on here. Better to stick to known members than if a new member crops up asking about it. Some on here have been bitten by people like that, so go with someone whom you can gauge and who has some known history.

Thanks for that info. It is really cool. Weighs over 200 lbs. I bet the copper alone is worth a ton.

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ekegelmann · Feb 15, 2016

Here is an interesting tool case and I wonder what people think. Do you agree with me that this is a Walden Worcester branch off for automobile wrenches early 20s or so?

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crguy · Feb 15, 2016

Pinaud said:
True, however the FTJ quarterly publication lists the realized prices of the absentee auctions, as well as containing very well written articles on tools. A subscription is $29 a year in the U.S.. well worth it for the articles alone for anyone interested in tools. in the OP's case (business) it seems a wise investment in my opinion.

First, he was asking about a less than $10. plane.

Second, I take the FTJ and the realized price lists for the absentee auctions are of little use to anybody except someone that actually bid on an item checking to see what it went for.
The small single picture & limited description in the absentee auctions is just about worthless. I gave up bidding on those years ago.

crguy · Feb 15, 2016

ekegelmann said:
Thanks for that info. It is really cool. Weighs over 200 lbs. I bet the copper alone is worth a ton.

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You must not be aware of what it takes to get the copper out of one of those and what copper is selling for these days.

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