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Craftsman Wrench History 1945-2011 PART II ADDED

I finally got around to starting my series on Craftsman wrenches. This covers Raised Panel onward. Part I will be Ratcheting DBEs and Part II will be Raised Panel End Wrenches.

Part I: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UoEpgpLWERDsxPIjRNWvaeNkfVYxJJQwW4lKpnK92lQ/edit?usp=sharing

Part II: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zsT7IGAIER0g7msJ076KjXw2G_dLCCIEQ7Qf3Ao_DI0/edit?usp=sharing

Edit part III is cancelled because I don't want to steal Todd F's audience and there's no way I could add anything to his excellent case study.
Here's the link to his article:
http://www.papawswrench.com/vboard/index.php?topic=25550.15
 
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Great job. Part II is going to be a wild ride, as there are many different variations on the main theme, especially during the collective V series (circa 1946-86). I guess it will depend on how granular the study will go. Looking forward to seeing it.
 

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Let me know if you need any pictures of examples.
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Here you go Lesser. As you stated, some marked Duro-Indestro and some not. EDIT: And I just realized that you were looking for ratcheting combos. I'll leave these up just in case you want the pics for your study.

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Thanks guys. Anybody know when they were sold? I can't find them in the 1994-95, 2003, or 2011-12 catalogs.
 
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Here you go Lesser. As you stated, some marked Duro-Indestro and some not. EDIT: And I just realized that you were looking for ratcheting combos. I'll leave these up just in case you want the pics for your study.

IMG_8651.jpg IMG_8655.jpg

Sorry, bit of a misunderstanding. I meant ones like these:
 

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Came across this in the 2003 catalog and thought it was kind of funny. The entry is for Craftsman reversible ratcheting combination wrenches, and when I zoomed in on the right photo to see if I could see code, this is what I found:

Is it safe to assume these aren't USA made?

Edit: I found pictures of the craftsman wrenches and they do say USA.
 

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Re: Craftsman Wrench History 1945-2011 PART II ADDED

I finally got around to starting my series on Craftsman wrenches. This covers Raised Panel onward. Part I will be Ratcheting DBEs, Part II will be standard wrenches, and Part III will be Craftsman Professional wrenches.



Part I: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UoEpgpLWERDsxPIjRNWvaeNkfVYxJJQwW4lKpnK92lQ/edit?usp=sharing



Part II: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zsT7IGAIER0g7msJ076KjXw2G_dLCCIEQ7Qf3Ao_DI0/edit?usp=sharing



Nice work on This. Really enjoyed Part 2 as I have the wrenches. I don’t have any of the ones in Part 1.


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I'm going to need y'all's help with Part III as I don't own a single Craftsman Professional wrench. Here's a list of what models I know:
Full polished long combo wrenches
Stubby combo wrenches
Deep offset DBEs
Reversible ratcheting combo wrenches
Cross Pattern Combo wrenches
Cross pattern ratcheting combo wrenches
Locking flex combo wrenches
Locking flex stubby combo wrenches

Here's the codes I came up with:
Danaher:
V^
VV
GK-A
GK-F
GK-G
GK-X

SK:
K
W
X

Am I missing any codes or models?
Does anybody know when which models were released? The only one I know is the full polish combo wrenches were released in 1994.
 
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Update: Part III cancelled see first post. Sources page added to Parts I&II.
I think those are both good choices.

I do have a question about your Part II: by "standard wrenches" do you mean the normal conventional 'end' wrenches like combination, double open end and double box end wrenches?
 
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I think those are both good choices.

I do have a question about your Part II: by "standard wrenches" do you mean the normal conventional 'end' wrenches like combination, double open end and double box end wrenches?

Yes, it was also meant to mean raised panel wrenches only and not fully polished non pro/industrial wrenches since I don't have very much information on them. Now that I think about it, end wrenches sounds better than standard because it sounds like I might mean SAE only. I think I'll change it to Raised Panel End Wrenches.
 

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Been meaning to look ever since you kindly shared your 'Craftsman Wrench History 1945-2011' series with us all by created this very informative and interesting thread.

Most of my Craftsman Raised Panels' are =VV=, with some =VΛ='s & =V='s.
Thanks for sharing it; I enjoyed reading your history series' & docs very much ! ;)
 
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Been meaning to look ever since you kindly shared your 'Craftsman Wrench History 1945-2011' series with us all by created this very informative and interesting thread.

Almost all of my Craftsman Raised Panels' are =VV=.
Thanks for sharing it; I enjoyed reading your history series' & docs very much ! ;)

You're welcome and I'm glad you enjoyed it.:)
 

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Btw, has the reason for, or historic origin of the ' V ' ever been documented?

Since the forged V began appearing in the fall of 1945, I'm wondering if the ' V ' was inspired by the magnificent & popular WWII ' V-Mail ' ?
 
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Btw, has the reason for, or historic origin of the ' V ' ever been documented?

Since the forged V began appearing in the fall of 1945, I'm wondering if the ' V ' was inspired by the magnificent & popular WWII ' V-Mail ' ?

In 1938 Moore Drop Forge started making tools for Sears with the V code; however, they were for Dunlap and not Craftsman. As for the origin of the code "V," who knows, it could be that V was the next available code, or maybe they just thought V looked cool.
 

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I have some of these earlier Craftsman raised panel combination wrenches. Not sure of the exact time period or maker. These are thinner and lighter than the ==V== version, shown for comparison.

What do I have here?

Are they first generation 1945-1948?
 

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First off it wouldn't be first gen since it isn't zinc plated or plain steel, at least it doesn't look like it is. But I have done some thinking (uh oh) and came up with 3 theories:

1. Your V series wrench was close to when they widened the beam and increased head thickness, but yours is some kind of transitional hybrid. As for the mystery wrench, it could be an unmarked MDF or the forged in V has worn off.
2. Your mystery wrench was made by Wilde. The problem with this theory is that the font of the numbers don't match Wilde's font.
3. Your wrench was made by another manufacturer Sears tried out. The problem with this theory is that there isn't any proof.
 

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First off it wouldn't be first gen since it isn't zinc plated or plain steel, at least it doesn't look like it is. But I have done some thinking (uh oh) and came up with 3 theories:

1. Your V series wrench was close to when they widened the beam and increased head thickness, but yours is some kind of transitional hybrid. As for the mystery wrench, it could be an unmarked MDF or the forged in V has worn off.
2. Your mystery wrench was made by Wilde. The problem with this theory is that the font of the numbers don't match Wilde's font.
3. Your wrench was made by another manufacturer Sears tried out. The problem with this theory is that there isn't any proof.
There are a number of variations within the Craftsman double-line "heritage" or "modern" design tools for which there is no available information from which we can arrive at conclusive answers today. Sometimes the best we can do is to apply the scientific method:

1. Observe that the variation does indeed physically exist. Since it varies from the mainstream established pattern, it's called an anomaly.
2. Accept that there is indeed an intentional reason for the anomaly's existence beyond mere coincidence. You can't simply say the anomaly doesn't merely because
a. One has never seen it before
b. it shouldn't exist based on the currently accepted model
(I've seen these two extolled far too often in this and other fields of study)
3. Offer a hypothesis that embraces the anomaly's existence based on available evidence. If the hypothesis fits all the evidence and answers the relevant questions posed to it without making exceptions to its own rules for anomalies, it graduates to a theory.

In this, the demand of "proof" is not always possible. But lack of "proof" alone is not necessary for a theory, only that it answers all the relevant questions while being consistent with itself. This is why Einstein's relativity is still called a "theory"--it is yet physically impossible to fully test it. Yet it works, and subsequent additional observations appear to increasingly confirm it. Physicists use it all the time for many things, including calculating the path of our interplanetary probes. Were we able to fully test it, it could be elevated to the final step of being a "law", like the 'laws' of motion.

In the tool collecting field, we often have nothing better than a theory to go by. This is no truer than in the realm of Craftsman. Even the identity of V as Moore Drop Forging has been discovered by investigation and deduction. Sears itself was, and still is, not forthcoming in any of this kind of information, which would provide absolute 'proof'. Barring that, we rely on theories, although we have some really good ones.

My reason for writing all this is that just because there is no "proof" does not in itself invalidate a theory, nor does it prevent us from employing a given theory as the best explanation we have to date until a new observation invalidates it and forces us to formulate a better one.

Back to leg17's "mystery" wrench, which draws us into the realm of what I call the Craftsman Dating Lottery.

I've handled hundreds of examples of pointed-A double-line heritage wrenches. Although that's a relatively small sampling in the greater scheme of things, it has provided some meaningful observations. Alloy Artifacts (AA) is also an excellent source of information. While it's not 100% accurate in every instance, I've found it to be amazingly accurate in most cases. I'm not going to start on my Craftsman Catalog Carnival rant here, but suffice it to say that the catalogs are not entirely reliable, especially when it comes to the tool images presented.

leg17’s mystery wrench has several distinct characteristics. It has the ‘skinny’ geometry; it has the narrow open end fork that is called by collectors of another brand wrench a ‘sharpie’ or something like that; it has no maker code.; it appears to be chrome plated based on what I can see.

Geometry: The skinny shank and the sharpie fork are completely consistent with the earliest of the Heritage double-line logo or what AA calls the Modern Era.

As for the other characteristics, let’s talk a moment about AA’s “Modern Era” section, which is what most of us use as the authoritative reference for this time period. First, AA offers a theory that in this earliest period, as may as three different mfrs were competing for the modern era tools—MDF, Wilde and an unknown. I find that to be a good theory because it seems to fit the facts. AA did not have enough evidence to identify the third maker. But the implications are distinct: wrenches marked with V or P-Circle codes are positively identified as either MDF or Wilde respectively. This means the third, unidentified maker has to be for those wrenches having no maker code, n’est pas? After all, it’s the very lack of a code that makes the mfr unidentifiable. That to me is sufficient “proof” that the third maker actually existed. These codes were fundamental and vitally important to the customer’s (Sears) requirements, so it’s unlikely that a mfr merely ‘forgot’ to implement them, especially if they were in a contest to win the Sears contract. We can be confident Sears knew exactly who this un-coded mfr was. There are too many examples of unsigned wrenches from this early era to consider them as just mistakes.

So, why doesn’t AA show more of them? This is where AA sometimes has an agenda behind what artifacts it shows. First, it defines the Modern Era as the creation by Sears of the Heritage design. But wait….why then does it present its early artifacts as a “prelude” to the modern era when all the examples are clearly modern era? This is contradictory, so one has to read the introduction to find out why. It states that with the examples it chose that it’s trying to prove its ‘mfr tryout’ thesis, and so it chose the earliest examples—it states it looked for circa 1945 examples—to prove its position. Apparently, it’s attempting to define the trial period as a ‘prelude’, even though that’s inconsistent with its ‘modern era’ definition.

This ‘conflict of interest’ approach creates several misnomers. First, since it’s focusing almost exclusively on the circa 1945 examples to prove its premise, it doesn’t show us how long this trial period lasted. It also implies that the trial period was characterized by tools having cadmium or plain steel finishes instead of chrome. It’s a well-established fact that the use of chrome was restricted during war time, and was lifted afterward, when most mfrs went back to chroming. If one were to deduce that this trial period perhaps lasted through to 1947, it would be unrealistic to assume that all the tools during this two-year period were cadmium or plain steel, especially in the face of the competition’s chromed production. So its focus on proving its mfr-test theory by displaying only non-chromed examples leads to an erroneous conclusion about a lack of chromed examples from this period. There are sufficient early examples found in the wild with either forged-in codes or un-coded that are also chrome-plated to show this false impression is brought about by AA’s agenda.

Why is AA focusing on the war-time non-chromed examples? Because it can more easily show that its theory of the contest between Wilde and MDP started at the very beginning of the modern era. By the same token, why does it skimp on the un-coded examples? Because it can’t prove its theory with them as well as it can with the coded wrenches.

Fortunately, AA tossed in a couple of bones to give us examples of later chromed wrenches from this early test period. On the AA page, Fig. 6 shows an early contest-period wrench with a forged-in V but also in chrome, and it designates it as a post-war wrench. I personally have encountered a number of examples of these. The implication to AA’s study is that once the ‘contest’ was won by MDP. The V code was then stamped on the panel and the forged-in codes eliminated—we can conclude this by the lack of any examples of a P-Circle being stamped on the panels, which suggests the contest was over.

Another interesting variation is found in Fig. 4, one of these earliest un-coded wrenches. The open end fork is not the “sharpie” type, indicating that our mystery mfr didn’t always conform to spec.

In conclusion, be aware that the AA presentation is not really a ‘prelude’ to the modern era, but the artifacts are indeed modern era design; that AA is presenting primarily war-time non-chromed examples to prove its mfr-trial theory rather than showing a broader selection of examples showing more post-war chrome; and that it’s limiting its un-coded examples because they are not the best examples to clearly show the contest in the earliest modern-era cadmium/plain steel war-time years. I believe leg17’s un-coded mystery wrench is from our ‘mystery’ mfr contestant, post-war circa 1946-47.
 
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I think you're right. Now that I think about the wrench that I thought was Wilde, I'm not so sure now. It has a forged in B or a 13 that the one and three have merged together. I'll post pics later.
 
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Here's a pic. It could also be an 8.
 

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I think you're right. Now that I think about the wrench that I thought was Wilde, I'm not so sure now. It has a forged in B or a 13 that the one and three have merged together. I'll post pics later.
Based on the examples I've personally seen, I had to take a much closer look at AA's Craftsman Modern Era write-up. That's when I recognized the inconsistency, agenda and subsequent omissions.

AA is a great site, but I don't trust it 100%. Most of it seems spot-on with a lot of great info and research, along with some fine detective work and deductions. But I've found a few errors, discrepancies, omissions and faulty conclusions.

I don't trust any reference completely without seeking external verification if possible. My research on the RHFT taught me to not depend entirely on the Cman catalogs. Too many have taken the catalogs as if they were the final word, but just in my narrow focus found a number of issues. One is taking an item's first appearance in the catalog as the start date, when in reality the product was being sold up to two years earlier in the stores. Another is the inaccuracy in the images, which until sometime in the late 80s or 90s were all either hand-retouched photos or actually hand-drawn from scratch, the figures like variations in markings and geometry often being based on each individual artists' interpretation. Not to mention they often re-used images year after year even when that particular iteration was no longer being made that way. The catalogs were never intended as archival records, but merely as sales tools.

Another source to be cautious of is Lauver's Craftsman date and code chart. Impressive and very useful, but there are scattered errors and omissions in that info as well.

It's unfortunate, but we really can't completely rely on these sources always for the most accurate information.
 
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What happened to the AA site anyway? They haven't updated anything in a while.
Also, are those "sharpie" wrenches made by Armstrong? For some reason leg17's unknown maker wrench's open end reminds me of Armstrong.

Another odd thing about my wrench is that there are 2 different fonts used for the numbers.
 

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What happened to the AA site anyway? They haven't updated anything in a while.

Also, are those "sharpie" wrenches made by Armstrong? For some reason leg17's unknown maker wrench's open end reminds me of Armstrong.



Another odd thing about my wrench is that there are 2 different fonts used for the numbers.



They only update it as they get more info it’s like the progress is fine blogspot does the same thing only update as more info for what they have posted is available to them to add.


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What happened to the AA site anyway? They haven't updated anything in a while.
Also, are those "sharpie" wrenches made by Armstrong? For some reason leg17's unknown maker wrench's open end reminds me of Armstrong.

Another odd thing about my wrench is that there are 2 different fonts used for the numbers.
The open end of leg17's wrench reminds me of most Cman open wrenches from that era. Other mfrs made similar, but I'm not aware of any connection between Armstrong and Cman.

I borrowed the "sharpie" term from a forum where they were discussing a certain brand WW2 military kit wrench if I recall correctly. Just seemed like a convenient term at the moment.

Have no idea why the fonts are different on either side of the wrench. I'm not sure it means anything in itself with regard to typing or dating. Maybe it was simply a mistake by the die maker (which could be a reason why the contract was awarded to MDF!). Maybe you can match the odd font exactly with another maker and solve AA's third mfr puzzle. However, many mfrs used similar fonts, so who knows?

I don't think anyone knows what goes on over at AA. He doesn't answer emails, and other members have simply given up trying. Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps it's a thread all its own for discussion and speculation.
 
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The open end of leg17's wrench reminds me of most Cman open wrenches from that era. Other mfrs made similar, but I'm not aware of any connection between Armstrong and Cman.

I borrowed the "sharpie" term from a forum where they were discussing a certain brand WW2 military kit wrench if I recall correctly. Just seemed like a convenient term at the moment.

Have no idea why the fonts are different on either side of the wrench. I'm not sure it means anything in itself with regard to typing or dating. Maybe it was simply a mistake by the die maker (which could be a reason why the contract was awarded to MDF!). Maybe you can match the odd font exactly with another maker and solve AA's third mfr puzzle. However, many mfrs used similar fonts, so who knows?

I don't think anyone knows what goes on over at AA. He doesn't answer emails, and other members have simply given up trying. Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps it's a thread all its own for discussion and speculation.

I followed your suggestion and tried to find a manufacturer by the font, but as you said many of them used similar fonts. I found a Williams wrench with a similar font on AA, and a lot of them on there have similar looking forged in B marks. But number font also looks similar to Wilde craftsman. The side with serifs on the numbers looks like V series.
 

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I followed your suggestion and tried to find a manufacturer by the font, but as you said many of them used similar fonts. I found a Williams wrench with a similar font on AA, and a lot of them on there have similar looking forged in B marks. But number font also looks similar to Wilde craftsman. The side with serifs on the numbers looks like V series.
If I recall correctly, Williams did make some contract tools for Sears, I believe back in the 1950s. With this design, it's always been my impression that Williams decided to knock-off the Cman design for a few years (AA says 1954-59). The knock-off is amusingly shameless.

Yes, so many companies used such similar fonts that it's hard to form a convincing conclusion based solely on the number fonts. Even the forging die codes can be very similar from mfr to mfr.

I would still think that the two differing fonts has to do with the contractor messing up. By the time Williams was bootlegging the Heritage logo, MDF was well established along with its stamped V code.

It's possible that Williams might be the mystery mfr back in 1945-47. But I'm having difficulty in believing JH Williams would have made such a screw-up with the fonts, especially being a company so artistic and precise with its own tool markings.
 

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Here are some random pictures of some Craftsman wrenches. I checked through all of my wrenches and couldn’t find a ratcheting combo wrench.
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