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Snap-On 830 Vs Duralast 3/8

mrholeshot

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Ok I told you I would do this so I hopped on the Goldwing and headed to town(72 degrees!!). I had the saleman at AutoZone meet me out front with my sale (called ahead of time) of a Duralast 3/8 Snap-On copy. First I would like to say my expectations wern't set to high and the price I thought was a bit steep for a Ratchet made in Tiwan. I got back home and reached in the saddlebag and grabed up my new $21.28 Duralast Ratchet and looket it over. It looks good and the Chrome looks like Nickel Chrome about like Snap-On uses. Overall it looked pretty good. I'd give it a solid 95 on a scale of 100 against the Snap-On.
The first thing I did was hook it up and yank down 200 ftlbs. It was a pass. I pulled it 6 more times in differant spots just to make sure. Thats cranking on a 3/8 ratchet. Don't let the photo below fool you, The ratchets are almost the same in size with the Duralast being a bit longer

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Of course the Duralast is made in Tiawan

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Here is the Plate veiw from both ratchets (The 830 was the closest I had on hand) very similar. The snap on is sealed the Duralast is not. The fitment is so good I don't see much dirst getting in.

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As you can see the internals are very differant so nothing will interchange. The Duralast has a large floating pawl that appears to be very well made. The case is machined well. The gear is supported on one side(plate side) and the gear fits snug in the case. I would have liked to have seen support on the case side but it doesn't seem to have any affect on it's operation. The Snap-On pawl is small but the gear is supprted on both sides making it strong.

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The gear on the Duralast is also a bit larger. Again it's the angle that makes the Snap-On gear look bigger.

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The thickness of the ratchets are near identical

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The handle end is a pretty good copy and comfortable as you would expect. Again the Duralast ratchet is about 3/8 of an inch longer in total length but I lined the handle up for comparison

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So to wrap it up in my opinion and not have used this ratchet in a pro enviroment but being so familiar with them I'm confident when I say this (again I never expected this ratchet to pass) that it's more expensive than almost all Tiawan ratchets I've seen BUT that it exceeds the quality of most American Ratchets. I would take it over a MAC anyday or even Matco. I havent used a Cornwell in a while so I can't comment on those. At first I expected half *** quality with just a good warranty. In the end it's like buying a 36 tooth Snap-On at 1/5 the price. The Snap-On 36 tooth list for 100 dollars Duralast Lists 19.99. Is there 80 dollars differance? Hell no! This is an excellant ratchet and now having tested it I know it's a good ratchet as well. What I thought was a high price is now a bargin. Would I use it in a Pro enviroment, Absolutly with the greatest of confidence. I really thought I was going to be able to bash this ratchet but I have nothing but praise for it. If you get over the prestige of owning a Snap-On I would say this would be the next best choice and I have a lot of ratchting under my belt. Had it been a POS I would have taken it back to Autozone. I'm proud to add this one to my collection. My advice would be to buy it. I really like it.
 
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Duralast has always looked similar. I did want to see the guts.
Autozone does handle the warranty on those from what I have seen.
 

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First of all, I can't believe how quickly you made this happen.

Second of all, these tests of yours are probably making some people have itchy britches.

I think they are cool as heck.
 

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Thanks again, mrholeshot, for the informative post!

-Mike

PS. Anyway you can post up pictures on how you're testing these wrenches for torque? It may be nice to see your setup in case a few of us would like to replicate what you're doing.
 

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I like getting to see the guts of the ratchets. Mrholeshot, if you get really bored I have something I'd like to see. I'd be curious to see how well the gear and pawl mesh on ratchets. I don't think it'd be hard to do. You'd have to clean the grease out and then lightly paint the pawl and gear engagement surfaces. Put it back together and use the ratchet for a bit. It should wear the paint off where the two touch. Pull it back apart and then read the surfaces to see how well everything meshes. Its the same principle you use when setting up a rear end on a car. Hopefully, you could try it on one ratchet and see how well it works out.

Off the cuff, I'd think a ratchet with good engagement would have a longer life, less wear, and a lesser chance of breaking. Of course used ratchets would have worn together so comparing new and used might not be a direct one to one. I'm sure it'd be a pain to photograph too. But it might yield some useful info and give you something to do with all those ratchets you have from the last test you did. :)
 

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I don't like Matco, I absolutly hate MAC. My Matco guys blow into town about every 3-4 years, here six months and gone. I can't comment on the 88 but as for the other ones I dislike them. maybe I need to buy an 88 to see how I like it. On the other hand I'll pass. lol

You should buy an 88 toother. I have both dual 80's and 88's and tend to favor the 88's more. BFR118T is a good one to start out with and its made in the USA :beer:.

http://www.matcotools.com/Catalog/toolcatalog.jsp?cattype=T&cat=2407&select=&page=2
 

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Just because it doesn't have Snap-On USA stamped on it doesn't meant it's a piece of junk. Just because it was made in Taiwan doesn't mean it's a piece of junk. As the original poster pointed out, it seems better made than most American made pedestrian ratchets these days. That should tell you something about a lot of consumer tools made here by Danaher. Instead of maintaining quality or improving quality, many domestic tool manufacturers are simply using our stars and stripes to lure us into the false belief that we are buying quality from them. Maybe Craftsman, NAPA, etc should get a clue lately and start offering the same level of quality at that price point in a domestic made tool.

You know that Asian countries must be out pacing our quality per price when the Snap-On tool trucks are now carrying and selling a lot of GearWrench brand tools to professionals lately. You also have to wonder when Snap-On and MAC are increasingly offering tools that are made in Taiwan and China. Can't anyone else besides Channellock still make a high quality tool in this country while paying it's American work force a living wage and still turning a profit at the same time????
 
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we had an outlaw matco guy coming in out of his territory , the company told him to stop as they had a dealer coming
that was 9 months ago ...still no matco guy
 
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if I can't support fellow citizens ...........it's not like an employee of that taiwan tool plant is going to walk into my shop , and autozone selling all of that offshore junk parts they sell ,has destroyed most of the other parts makers
we sell car quest now and EVERY set of brake pads we have sold with that brand has been back with noise problems
sorry , but with 10% unemployment going on here , I have no interest in any imports
 

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if I can't support fellow citizens ...........it's not like an employee of that taiwan tool plant is going to walk into my shop , and autozone selling all of that offshore junk parts they sell ,has destroyed most of the other parts makers
we sell car quest now and EVERY set of brake pads we have sold with that brand has been back with noise problems
sorry , but with 10% unemployment going on here , I have no interest in any imports

I agree 100%:beer:
 

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Anything from autozone.

Is that it? I mean, there are no qualitative benchmarks you use to determine what is ****, and what is not? It's just a matter of what store it came from?

On another note, it is a shame that all these threads like this almost inevitably devolve into the same old hackneyed bickering.
 

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Is that it? I mean, there are no qualitative benchmarks you use to determine what is ****, and what is not? It's just a matter of what store it came from?

On another note, it is a shame that all these threads like this almost inevitably devolve into the same old hackneyed bickering.

agreed. I love American made stuff but the fact is the quality does not match the price point sometimes.

Also what is really getting under my skin is the fact that a Company like Matco can charge their prices and not have all of their stuff made in the US. Also their warranty is getting very shady.
 

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agreed. I love American made stuff but the fact is the quality does not match the price point sometimes.

That's the whole point I've been trying to make lately. Though I try to avoid feeding the dragon (buying Chinese made stuff) on principal. I support domestic manufacturing only when they offer me a reasonable quality product at a fair and reasonable price point. There are still a few doemstic companies around who still do. But, I won't encourage or support mediocrity or sub par from domestic manufacturers.
 
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Is that it? I mean, there are no qualitative benchmarks you use to determine what is ****, and what is not? It's just a matter of what store it came from?

On another note, it is a shame that all these threads like this almost inevitably devolve into the same old hackneyed bickering.

Yeah its a shame. I've said before I am impressed with the few open stock (larger sizes) autozone sockets I have bought. Much nicer than the cman 1/2" equivalents. I was always impressed with the ratchets just never had a need for them and already have bluepoint fine tooths in the truck toolbox.
 

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Nope but I still will not buy one from autozone. If you like them fine but I feel the majority of the stuff sold there is garbage. I would rather buy oem

I can back you going OEM but our dealerships got closed in that massive shutdown. So Vatozone is what we have.

Most folks would still not want to pay the high price for me to put dealer parts on thier cars.
 

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I think I would have more confidence in the Snap-On one. The reason being the amount of give I feel the pawl will have. The Snap-on is machined tighter, and IMHO will have less give then the Duralast.
 

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I think I would have more confidence in the Snap-On one. The reason being the amount of give I feel the pawl will have. The Snap-on is machined tighter, and IMHO will have less give then the Duralast.

for $20 and having lifetime warranty, I think I'll try the Duralast ratchet even if I decide to pony up and but the Snap On.
 

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I think I would have more confidence in the Snap-On one. The reason being the amount of give I feel the pawl will have. The Snap-on is machined tighter, and IMHO will have less give then the Duralast.

Amount of give you "FEEL" it would have. Total speculation, did you miss the part where Mr. Holeshot actually tested it?
 

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Amount of give you "FEEL" it would have. Total speculation, did you miss the part where Mr. Holeshot actually tested it?

No, I did read that. I can see how the gear will move around in the housing. Again, this is my opinion, and thats it. I don't care about price or where it was made at all. I look at it, and decide if I'll buy it. And based upon that, and that alone I won't.

I have ratchets made by just about everyone, with one of my favorites being a NAPA ratchet made by a company called "I don't know". It is just a very well made ratchet. It has worked well and never let me down.
 
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