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Snap-On 830 Vs Duralast 3/8

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Just because it doesn't have Snap-On USA stamped on it doesn't meant it's a piece of junk. Just because it was made in Taiwan doesn't mean it's a piece of junk. As the original poster pointed out, it seems better made than most American made pedestrian ratchets these days. That should tell you something about a lot of consumer tools made here by Danaher. Instead of maintaining quality or improving quality, many domestic tool manufacturers are simply using our stars and stripes to lure us into the false belief that we are buying quality from them. Maybe Craftsman, NAPA, etc should get a clue lately and start offering the same level of quality at that price point in a domestic made tool.

You know that Asian countries must be out pacing our quality per price when the Snap-On tool trucks are now carrying and selling a lot of GearWrench brand tools to professionals lately. You also have to wonder when Snap-On and MAC are increasingly offering tools that are made in Taiwan and China. Can't anyone else besides Channellock still make a high quality tool in this country while paying it's American work force a living wage and still turning a profit at the same time????

To a point you have some logic, but in another way you dont. Danaher makes good affordable ratchets. The 3/8" Thin Profile Craftsman runs about $32 retail, the polished tear drop runs aroung $28, a few dollars more gets you an Armstrong Maxx. For something that is so important and will be used so much i could personally care less about the extra $10-$15 over the Taiwanese ratchet and would in turn feel better supporting more American tool manufacturers. I think more Americans should wrap their head around this logic in general and actively search to see what quality American made counterparts cost, a lot of times you dont spend too much more. In this case you're talking about something that will most likely last any weekend wrench turner the rest of their life so should we really get into a ******* contest over another tenner?

I have no problem with someone purchasing foreign products out of necessity [price] nor do i have a problem with people who cant wrap their head around the 100-200% increase that truck tools have, but to say there are no quality affordable American tools is nonsense.

As far as competing on a pure dollar for dollar basis, i'm not sure it can be done while keeping quality and the pay of the workers the same vs what can be made by some worker in another country who gets paid mere cents for each tool they complete. You have to give somewhere otherwise i do think you're being unrealistic. These companies do not import products for the fun of it, they do it because the profit is far greater than what they could produce domestically.
 
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To a point you have some logic, but in another way you dont. Danaher makes good affordable ratchets. The 3/8" Thin Profile Craftsman runs about $32 retail, the polished tear drop runs aroung $28, a few dollars more gets you an Armstrong Maxx. For something that is so important and will be used so much i could personally care less about the extra $10-$15 over the Taiwanese ratchet and would in turn feel better supporting more American tool manufacturers. I think more Americans should wrap their head around this logic in general and actively search to see what quality American made counterparts cost, a lot of times you dont spend too much more. In this case you're talking about something that will most likely last any weekend wrench turner the rest of their life so should we really get into a ******* contest over another tenner?

I have no problem with someone purchasing foreign products out of necessity [price] nor do i have a problem with people who cant wrap their head around the 100-200% increase that truck tools have, but to say there are no quality affordable American tools is nonsense.

As far as competing on a pure dollar for dollar basis, i'm not sure it can be done while keeping quality and the pay of the workers the same vs what can be made by some worker in another country who gets paid mere cents for each tool they complete. You have to give somewhere otherwise i do think you're being unrealistic. These companies do not import products for the fun of it, they do it because the profit is far greater than what they could produce domestically.


Nope, never said that there were no quality affordable American made tools. There are still a few makers around. I'm just saying that it's largely a thing of the past. Not every tool that's American made these days is a quality tool either. But that's not to say that there are no quality made American made tools, just to clarify.

I agree that every serious tool use should seek out quality domestic made tools. They do exist and are worth searching for. Some are even common brands too. When it comes to things like wrenches, ratchets, and sockets it's Proto that I prefere and have always owned and used above all others. For screwdrivers I still prefere Stanley 100 Plus series. For most pliers it's Channellock. But all quality tool brands have their hits and misses too. I have odds and ends from a lot of makers. I try to buy American when I can find the quality, but I won't support any domestic products that are inferior quality to the Asian made equivelent. I just don't believe in supporting mediocrety in this country. That's not what this country is about.
 
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Amount of give you "FEEL" it would have. Total speculation, did you miss the part where Mr. Holeshot actually tested it?

Tested it? He looked at said it looked fine. He said he hasn't even used it yet. What's to say it doesn't slip and go into reverse? Whats to say it doesn't collect a bunch of **** or leak oil like a sieve? I bought a duralast torx in a pinch after buying the greatneck in a pinch and it breaking on me instantly, the duralast worked fine, and I would probably do it again if I had too.

But all he did was look at it, this doesn't clarify the quality of the tool besides the fact that Taiwan can chrome something and copy other peoples ideas/designs.
 

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Tested it? He looked at said it looked fine. He said he hasn't even used it yet. What's to say it doesn't slip and go into reverse? Whats to say it doesn't collect a bunch of **** or leak oil like a sieve? I bought a duralast torx in a pinch after buying the greatneck in a pinch and it breaking on me instantly, the duralast worked fine, and I would probably do it again if I had too.

But all he did was look at it, this doesn't clarify the quality of the tool besides the fact that Taiwan can chrome something and copy other peoples ideas/designs.

Yeah, good post. I think many of these "tests" are not. And many jump on the bandwagon real quick. I think a manufacturer's engineers would have a much more sophisticated testing apparatus and protocol. Just looking at it and yanking on it a few times doesn't tell me much. Is it better than nothing? Yes, and I appreciate MrHoleshot doing this type of "testing." But, one shouldn't give too much weight to such tests, as they are so limited. To really test this ratchet it would have to be put in a durability jig and tested for X number of cycles, etc.
 

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maybe you need to re-read where it held up under 200 ftlbs of torque?(6 times) That was in the first paragraph.I can't speak for the rest of their tools but this one is a winner.

Don't bother some people know better and have very limited (call it biased I guess) reading comprehension. Thanks for the test though, it is nice to see someone doing something other than talking. I like and prefer US tools but I have used and own my fair share of imports and the taiwan tools especially have impressed me.
 

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Yeah I'll do that. I just have a peice of steel rod I chuck up in the vice slide the hollow end of my torqueOmeter over it and side on my coupler and slide a peice of aluminum thick wall tubing over the ratchet and pull until it it reaches 200

by chance can you snap a pic of that set up im a bit confused
 

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Mrholeshot, I would like to thank you for putting up your time and money to inform the rest of us. I am enlightend. I thought it would fail too!
 

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maybe you need to re-read where it held up under 200 ftlbs of torque?(6 times) That was in the first paragraph.I can't speak for the rest of their tools but this one is a winner.

You are right, I needed to re-read it, I must have missed it the first time (It is the green backdrop you use, it hurts the eyes). Apology sent. As I said, I would buy duralast again, but only in a pinch.
 

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I own a couple of duralast ratchets for the "on the go set", It feels so much better than craftmans US made lower end quick release ratchets. I also own their polished wrenches, and a couple of their sockets. I feel that the quality and feel, are step above what you would get from the lower end craftsmen stuff.
 

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I'm sure I will get flamed for this but...

I think so much of the flag waving of the truck brands is not guys trying to tell others that their truck brand tool is so much better then the cheaper brands but the guys are tying to justify the cost to themselves so they feel better about how much money they spent. I know this isn't everyone but think its true in some cases.

Don't get me wrong I love the truck brand stuff and the quality is great but I only buy it used or if I find a really good deal.

Great job on the testing Mrholeshot! Keep up the great work.
 

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Let's put it this way: mrholeshot is testing these ratchets in a way no one else on here is doing; he's providing us with original, technical content. If you feel the tests are insufficient, conduct your own. If you don't care what the tests say and you're just not going to buy a piece of **** foreign ratchet no matter how it performs, then be up-front about it.
 

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just to be clear by asking for pics or clarification im in no way doubting his testing methods, i just wanted to learn something new and im curious. i love snapon but its not all i have or use, i have a 1/4 greatneck set i got at AZ years ago and love. im all about value/bang for the buck not COO and whats popular.

oh and ditto on on the hazet thing :)
 
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I'd buy Duralast tools before I'd buy Craftsman tools made in China.:rocker:
 

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200 ft-lb. is a lot,boggles my mind that a 3/8 drive anything can take that. I wonder what the bust strength of my old -v-44978 Craftsman 1/2 inch drive ratchet"patented-1971" would be--before I knew any better I used it to change wheels on things like my 1967 old Olds. Taiwan is not the same as Chi***(censored?)? I wonder if the quality of stuff from the two places is completely different?
It sounds like the brands like Craftsman have very serious competition. I wish my high school shop class (42 years ago?) had done more to teach kids to appreciate good tools.
 

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200 ft-lb. is a lot,boggles my mind that a 3/8 drive anything can take that. I wonder what the bust strength of my old -v-44978 Craftsman 1/2 inch drive ratchet"patented-1971" would be--before I knew any better I used it to change wheels on things like my 1967 old Olds. Taiwan is not the same as Chi***(censored?)? I wonder if the quality of stuff from the two places is completely different?
It sounds like the brands like Craftsman have very serious competition. I wish my high school shop class (42 years ago?) had done more to teach kids to appreciate good tools.

china, japan, taiwan, USA or bfe... it all depends on what "quality" is ordered i think the COO matters little and what matters is the quality in the end product.
 

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200 ft-lb. is a lot,boggles my mind that a 3/8 drive anything can take that. I wonder what the bust strength of my old -v-44978 Craftsman 1/2 inch drive ratchet"patented-1971" would be--before I knew any better I used it to change wheels on things like my 1967 old Olds. Taiwan is not the same as Chi***(censored?)? I wonder if the quality of stuff from the two places is completely different?
It sounds like the brands like Craftsman have very serious competition. I wish my high school shop class (42 years ago?) had done more to teach kids to appreciate good tools.

I have yet to purchase a Taiwanese tool that was a complete failure. Not sure what they do different but in my experience they absolutely seem to hold a higher standard of quality compared to stuff that comes out of various chinese factories. This is why i was so dissapointed in the GW switch and will be avoiding them from here on out.

If every US tool production company folded up shop i'd have zero issue with using taiwanese made hand tools.
 

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If every US tool production company folded up shop i'd have zero issue with using taiwanese made hand tools.

Even if it was your job that was eliminated. How about taiwan raised fruits and veggies?
 

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:headscrat

i didnt say i want that to happen, merely ment that it would be far from the end of the world if there was no domestic options as they make quality tools.
 

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They are putting the chromium powder for making those ratchets down rivers in taiwan. And you want to promote their product?
 

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I have ratchets from everyone and my Duralast 1/2 inch is my go-to 1/2. I love it and have done everything with it. Thanks for your work on the tests.
 

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They are putting the chromium powder for making those ratchets down rivers in taiwan. And you want to promote their product?

Eventually their land will be poisoned enough for them to do something about it... Perhaps. At the end of the day odds are domestic companies would do this too if our government didn't keep them from doing it. Altruism is a rare thing in business.
 

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Here are some pictures for the 1/2 ratchet. I got this like a year ago on Ebay new for 15 shipped. I have only used it a few times but used it to change the suspension on my truck and it worked great.
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Thanks Mrholeshot for taking the time and expense to document the test/examination of the two ratchets and publish the thread.:thumbup:
It's hard but, you guys really need to stick to the performance of the tool and leave where it's made out of it. Save that for making your own purchasing decisions.:beer:
Some excellent performing tools are from Taiwan. Grey Pneumatic impact sockets, those long MATCO, SK, EZ RED, and other brands of ratcheting wrenches, and the first generation Gearwrench tools are some examples.
I really like the Gearwrench 60 tooth ratchet. I'm not sold on the Duralast ratchet though because, I routinely find their remains at the flea market I frequent. I have no way of knowing how they were abused but, with age their ratcheting action seems to become quite rough and tooth skipping.
All of us have many choices when it comes to purchasing our tools. I always say to buy the best you can afford, what you like for whatever the reason, and that you're the one that lives with your decision. However, please remember that just because you don't like another person's choice, doesn't make it wrong. Now, go use your tools!!!:wtf:
 

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i have quite a few duralast ratchets, and my 3/8 sockets are duralast. from what i have seen..they blow cman out of the water. even the cman teardrop ones...they are of less quality then the duralast. i think alot of it is that they are from autozone which throws people off. but you would be suprised that some of the parts they sell are still made in the USA. I know for a fact that some of the ac compressors, if not all, are USA. Some of the brake pads are USA, all the electrical parts are wells which ive heard are decent. The fuel pumps are the same thing that everyone else sells, the batteries are johnson controls just like everyone else.
 

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Nope but I still will not buy one from autozone. If you like them fine but I feel the majority of the stuff sold there is garbage. I would rather buy oem

What about the stuff from AZ that *is* OEM? I replaced the serpentine and A/C belt tensioner and idler pulleys on my car a while back. BMW sells the serpentine pulleys for some obscene amount of money, but will only sell the A/C belt tensioner as a whole unit.

I bought the serpentine pulleys from a discount parts place, both OEM branded (INA). Both made in... Slovakia. I bought the A/C pulley from AutoZone, Duralast branded. Made by INA... in... Germany.
 

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They are putting the chromium powder for making those ratchets down rivers in taiwan. And you want to promote their product?

Ever heard of Centralia? Iron Mountain? Hinkley? The Love Canal? Silicon Valley?
 

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Even if it was your job that was eliminated. How about taiwan raised fruits and veggies?

How about them? Much of our domestic produce is harvested by folks in the country illegally, getting paid peanuts, and working under deplorable conditions. It's also typically heavily subsidized. The chances of staple or perishable crops being easily importable are pretty slim. About the only thing I see around here that comes from China on a regular basis are ginger and garlic. Even the dragonfruit is from a domestic source.

Take a look at the labor issues surrounding 2 buck chuck. It's produced domestically and it ain't a pretty sight.
 
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