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MaxJax Transport, Install, Impression, and Comparison

Dolfan

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Earlier this year I finally decided to bite the bullet and get serious about a lift for my garage. I asked many questions here and in other forums to learn from folks. I even went as far as building a ranking of the 4 lift types I was considering, 4 post, 2 post, mid-rise, and MaxJax. I settled on the mid-rise and you can read those related threads here.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67229

The MaxJax was a very interesting tool but as I had never seen one and didn't know anyone with one I didn't go that route. But recently I have been given the opportunity to do a head-to-head comparison of the MaxJax to the mid-rise lift. So I jumped in, as I wanted to know for myself and I've done the same type write up on my experience with the MaxJax.

Transportation

The entire MaxJax setup comes neatly packed into one package about 6' long and 24" wide. It fit easily into my short bed pickup. Unless you'll be able to have the freight truck right near your garage, I think picking up the MaxJax at the depot is a better call. They will drop it in your truck or onto a trailer and then once at you site you can take the time to unload it in pieces and not need any special equipment.

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I broke down the shipment removing piece at a time until I got down to just the posts.
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Now this is where I cheated a bit, :bounce: I figured why lift anything when I can use my other lift to make life easy.

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But even without the lift two men can lift one end to the ground without too much problem.


Installation

After doing this install I would recommend to anyone that is installing this lift to sit down with pencil, paper, and a set of measurements and do some good planning. I'm using this lift for 4 cars, a Z06, a C4 Corvette, and Dakota pickup, and a VW Passat. The lifting positions, lift point widths, and lift point lengths for all these are different. I recommend that you lay out on paper your vehicles and determine the best width to space the MaxJax posts. It is important to consider the lifting arm swing radius into this plan so that once the posts are positioned that the arms will swing through the areas you need. I positioned my posts at 124" which within range of the specs, but now I wish I would have gone to 126", this is due to the location of the jack points on the Z06 and the swing and length of the arms.

Test positioning the posts, and measuring to make square to one another.
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I will give high marks to the instruction manual for the MaxJax compared to other equipment manuals I've seen, and for the most part if you follow the steps through the installation you should be fine. Once you have the posts positioned I would out line the post base on the floor for reference, and now comes the most important step in my opinion of this install, drilling the anchor holes.

Since the anchors are the key to a proper safe install the drilling step need to be done properly. After my experience I would strongly urge anyone to invest in the rental of a rotary hammer, or a substantial hammer drill to drill the 10 holes for the install. Most rental shops have these for about $30-$40 a day, and I wish I had rented one. I used a mid-level quality hammer drill that I had from my basement finish work with a standard 1/2" chuck and average power.

Drill bits are very important, the anchor hole size is 7/8", I can tell you I went to 4 hardware/homecenters and finding a 7/8" bit is tough, most places go from 3/4" to 1". Now here comes my first mistake! I found a Bosch 7/8" SPS+ masonry bit, about $36, I looked at the shaft and saw the extra notches and figured that's what the SPS+ was but figured I'd have no issues with it in a normal chuck, WRONG. Make sure you have the proper bit for the proper type drill. Using the SPS bit in a standard chuck induced a wobble and therefore my anchor holes were oversized, more on this later.

I suggest it might be easier once you order the lift to just order a bit from Amazon or another online vendor and have it on it's way so you are prepared. I found a 7/8" Bosch Blue Graphite masonry bit for about $18 online and so I order that once I had finished the first post.

While the direction are drilling are OK, I prefer drilling with more bits of increasing diameter. Instead of starting with 5/8" and then finishing with 7/8", I did the following:

Started drilling with a small 5/32" bit for about 2" to get things dead center in the hole area.
Then 1/4" down to about 4" or through the slab about 4 3/4" for me.
Then 1/2" through the slab.
Then 5/8' through the slab.
Finally finishing with 7/8"

As the manual states do just the one center hole first completely and set that anchor so you can put the post in place and then start you pilot holes dead center in the mounting holes, then remove the post and bring them up to size. Keep a shop vac handy and something to dig out the concrete dust to make drilling go better. Also an air hose works great to blast out the dust.

Drilling with post in position
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Post #1 drilled, you can see the first anchor in place and 4 other holes, also you can see the SPS bit in my standard hammer drill!:mad:
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The anchor setting seems to work fine, if you've drilled holes properly. The holes I drilled with the proper drill bit tightened up with no problems and I left the anchors about 1/8" below the surface. I just followed the direction, using the washer and hex nut with the one sacrificial bolt, and in the proper holes, 3-4 rotations and they were tight.

Anchor to be driven in place.
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Installed to depth to begin tightening
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Now for the holes drilled incorrectly!! :mad: I tried with one anchor to set it in these holes that I wasn't sure if they were OK, they weren't, the anchor couldn't bite in the enlarged hole. This is where drilling through the slab helps so I could punch the anchor through into the ground below. I then moved to the Wej-It Power-Sert anchors, these are an epoxy based installation anchor and I will use these in the 4 holes that were drilled oversized.

New anchors and epoxy with threads taped off
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This process went really well, I cleaned the holes, taped up the threads to make sure I didn't get epoxy on areas it wasn't needed. Injected the epoxy, and set the anchors in, I cleaned the top level of excess but in 85 degree weather the epoxy sets very quickly and really generates some heat from the chemical reaction.

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I used a little of the epoxy as a "filler" one the other holes just as I had it and thought it might secure the other anchors a bit as well, couldn't hurt!

After curing overnight I placed the posts with shims and tightened all the bolts on both posts, everything tightened up as expected. Then I hooked up all the lines with the quick connect fittings and teflon tape on threads as needed. Added the lift arms and plugged in the power unit and the install is done!

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OK, well install complete so now on to testing.
 
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Testing

I first just ran the lift up about 2 feet and back down several times. Then once feeling things were good I ran it all the way up.
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I decided the first test was just me on the lift and took that opportunity to stand on the arms and bleed the cylinders. I felt good and secure on a single post as you can see.
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Next I chose my Dakota as the first test, for several reason, one it's just my truck! Also, the jacking points with the frame are real easy to get to, and at about 4400# it is the heaviest vehicle I have, I figured I'd rather test it at the high end of my use!
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You can see that I put a 4" magnetic level on one post so I could look for any movement. I ran the truck up half way and just left it on the lift for about an hour while I did other stuff, I never noticed any change in the level on the post.

After the Dakota, I moved onto my Z06, which is actually extremely wide with the jacking points on the outside edge of the car, and you must use lift pucks. This is where I noticed that I think I should have spaced the posts another couple inches wide so the arms when not extended at all would hit these jacking points better. But once I got it in place, it lifted great as you can see.
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Finally I tested the Passat and that was fine as well.
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Tests completed, I'll post back with impressions from jobs on the lift and comparison of the MaxJax to the mid-rise lift.

More to come.......
 
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Doesn't seem like it lifts high enough?
The post is what 6ft tall?

Very nice post Dolfan :thumbup:

The arms lift to 45", 48" with the 3" adapters. I also cut some wood blocks to get a bit more height if needed. Here's some photos for perspective on working clearance with roller seat:
 

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So are you using all 5 bolts? Are you saying you drilled 4 oversize and had to use the epoxy but the 5th was ok and was done the regular way?

Steve
 
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So are you using all 5 bolts? Are you saying you drilled 4 oversize and had to use the epoxy but the 5th was ok and was done the regular way?

Steve

Skamp, the first hole on post #1 was fine, the next four on post #1 were the ones I messed up so yes 4 with the epoxy anchors and 1 standard anchor.

When I started post #2 I switched to the the Bosch Blue Graphite bit I noted in the post and those hole were drilled properly and accepted the standard anchors.
 

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Skamp, the first hole on post #1 was fine, the next four on post #1 were the ones I messed up so yes 4 with the epoxy anchors and 1 standard anchor.

When I started post #2 I switched to the the Bosch Blue Graphite bit I noted in the post and those hole were drilled properly and accepted the standard anchors.

Ok, cool. I plan on getting one of these soon. Glad to see you are up and running. Thanks!

Steve
 

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My slab is only 4" thick, so I'm wondering if that is enough to hold the weight of a 4,000 lb
vehicle. How thick is your concrete? Also, if you don't mind me asking, how much does the MaxxJaxx cost. One final question: Does this lift go a lot higher than a mid-rise scissors lift? Thanks,

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My slab is only 4" thick, so I'm wondering if that is enough to hold the weight of a 4,000 lb
vehicle. How thick is your concrete? Also, if you don't mind me asking, how much does the MaxxJaxx cost. One final question: Does this lift go a lot higher than a mid-rise scissors lift? Thanks,

Don Ivey
Raleigh, NC


4" slab will work, that's minimum thickness as per instructions. My slab is 4" and it worked fine. See photos in above post, center of rear wheel is 50" off floor, front wheel center is about 48". The scissors style lift blocks under car access. I'm not sure how high the scissors style go.

Here's the measurments on MaxJax site:
http://www.maxjaxusa.com/specifications.html

MaxJax at Costco:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc...540&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C
 
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Nice write up! Also nice to see they are now able to package the MaxJax a little more compactly. Mine looked twice that size when I picked it up at the truck depot.
 
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One final question: Does this lift go a lot higher than a mid-rise scissors lift?

I'm going to update the thread in the next week with a full comparison, but I can tell you that my Atlas lift does lift a bit higher, haven't measured it yet but it is higher, my guess is about 4-6 inches higher, but I'll post a detailed look soon.
 

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Would you mind detailing the procedure for bleeding? I dont think mine is bleed out correctly, cant seem to find the instructions any more.
Looks like clean install!
 

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Would you mind detailing the procedure for bleeding? I dont think mine is bleed out correctly, cant seem to find the instructions any more.
Looks like clean install!
 

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Tests completed, I'll post back with impressions from jobs on the lift and comparison of the MaxJax to the mid-rise lift.

For mechanics, a 2 post gives you acces to the underside and wheels/suspension but to me, a body guy, a mid rise is a much better solution as I get access to the whole side of the car.

Great write-up!
 

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I'd rather put a full size lift in.... I could not imagine having to work on anything under the vehicle minus wheels, bearings, brakes, etc...
 
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Certainly when the room allows for a full size 2 post lift that is the way to go but the idea with both of these lifts it to give someone an option that will work in a typical 8'-9' high residential garage space.
 
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Project #1

First job using the MaxJax lift was replacing the rear shocks on the Passat. So getting started I just swap car places and put the Passat in place and set the arm and up it goes! Pull the rear wheels and I'm starting the job, this is what I want in a lift, saving me running all around the car setting jack stands and moving floor jacks.
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So I put the car up to the first safety position and then I placed jack stand to hold the rear axle from rotating down once the shock are out. Then I just lowered the lift down until I got just a bit of weight onto the jack stands. This went great and quick!

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Then I just swapped the shocks and replaced the wheels. I had tons of access to the rear suspension area of the car but I think that would have been similar on the mid-rise.

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One thing I did, was leave the car up on the lift overnight and not on the safety stops, so it was on the hydraulic pressure the entire time, not sure if that is recommended but I had no issues.

All things considered the MaxJax made this rear suspension job easy.

More to Come.......
 
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Storage

I might not use the MaxJax in the same manner as some, moving the posts after each use. I managed to park one car in forward and one in reverse in a way that getting in and out is not a big issue. Also as I'm in a 3 bay garage I can still get bicycles and things out between the bays with no post.

That being said I was getting tired of the hoses on the floor to the power unit, so after the Passat shock job I decide that if I just removed one of the lines from one post and unplugged the power unit I could move the power unit and hoses around to the side where the post is close to the wall. So doing this I now have a clear floor around my work bench and storage areas.

Here you can see that the lines get in the way and the power unit is right in front of my work bench.
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So I removed the line off the right post, and slid the power unit around to the left side.

So I guess the idea here is that even though the MaxJax is marketed as a lift you can set up before each use, that fact that the posts are movable, and that the hydraulic lines have quick connectors, and there are no other safety release lines to consider how you "store" the lift between uses can take on different meaning based on you garage needs, this flexibility is a nice option.

I'm thinking now that a little rearranging of my storage and equipment and I'll probably leave both posts mounted 80% of the time and just pull the control unit and hose out of the way for storage to have a clear walking/working path.

More to Come......
 

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I bought these stands so I could do a job like your shocks and support the suspension with lift at full height, they can hold up exhaust system and many other components while you're working...the third hand. They have have the threaded end so you can adjust to proper height or lift up weight.

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/2-Ton-Low-Tripod-Stand-p/ht52008.htm
 

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Thanks for the pics about working under the Max. That give a better perspective. I measured mt race car last night and ceiling - max wheels-off-floor height would be 36". Gonna have to jack up the shop. ;)
 
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Maybe I missed it being mentioned, but what is the cost of this lift?
There are different prices out there, but I know folks have talked about something like $1900 from Costco.com I think.

For planning I would say outside of a group purchase plan on $1850-2000 delivered.
 

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There are different prices out there, but I know folks have talked about something like $1900 from Costco.com I think.

For planning I would say outside of a group purchase plan on $1850-2000 delivered.

Thanks for the pricing info. Not sure if I could ever convince the wife, but I can dream about it.
 

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Thanks for the pricing info. Not sure if I could ever convince the wife, but I can dream about it.
Tell her it's portable and that it won't be in the way(this is all she cares about) because lets face it her shoe collection is worth more.
 
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For me justification on a tool that allows me to do my own service on brakes/shocks/oil/ etc. It is pretty easy to see how in the long run it saves me money not paying for labor charges of $85-120/hr.

Like I posted replaced the rear shocks on my wife's car that needed it and only paid for parts, that one job I'll bet I saved $150-$250 in labor.

But, everyone has to make their own decision and has their own finances to look after, Good Luck.
 
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I bought these stands so I could do a job like your shocks and support the suspension with lift at full height, they can hold up exhaust system and many other components while you're working...the third hand. They have have the threaded end so you can adjust to proper height or lift up weight.

http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/2-Ton-Low-Tripod-Stand-p/ht52008.htm

I think I may invest in a set of these large jack stands at some point. I'm starting to get to the point that storage is an issue in the garage so not sure where I can put them.

As for working at that height on the shocks, it was fine as I just sit on a shop seat that has a telescopic seat that has about 6" of travel, on the low setting I just sat there and worked comfortably.
 

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Tell her it's portable and that it won't be in the way(this is all she cares about) because lets face it her shoe collection is worth more.

When I worked in a management, I had nearly that much invested in ties. That'll freak you out.
 
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FWD sedan on lift comparison

What I have here is a the same FWD Passat sedan on the two lifts. This will give you a good look at how they compare.

Here is a view of the Passat on the mid-rise lift.
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Here you can see the access to the front of the Passat.
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And the rear access on the mid-rise.
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Now the Passat on the MaxJax
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Access to the front.
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Access to the rear on the MaxJax.
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You can judge for yourself but the access to all areas of the vehicle is great with the MaxJax. That being said for FWD vehicles there is still a good amount of access to critical areas with the mid-rise.

More to Come.....
 

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Thanks for the update still keeping me convince for when I do buy a lift it will most likely be a MaxJax.
 
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Comparison

OK, I've broken the comparison down into a few categories that I think people would find interesting in making a decision, they are the following.

  1. Installation
  2. Garage Space Impact
  3. Lifting
  4. Under Car Access
  5. Custom Installation
  6. Lift Height and Positions
 
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Installation

Looking at this the mid-rise type lift is certainly more straight forward to get up and running. If you consider for the most part that the mid-rise lift is just a single pre-assembled piece with a separate power unit that tells you why. It's very simple to attach the arms, and hook up the hydraulic line and after plugging it it your ready. But your vehicles can complicate things, if all your normally used vehicles have more than 6" of clearance then you are good, but if lower you will need to do one of two things, assemble a set of ramps to allow vehicles over the lift for use and parking, or the more involved idea of cutting a section of the floor away and add a dropped concrete area for the lift.

As documented previously the installation of the MaxJax is more involved, while really the only installation work is drilling your slab, installing anchors and bolting down the posts, there are things to consider here. You need a good concrete slab for this lift and if you have cracks running in the area of the lift you would have to make repairs. Also the concrete must be #3000 4" think minimum, most residential garages will meet this if built in the last 15-20 years. If you have never drilled concrete, it might be good to have help from someone who has, and again I highly recommend renting a proper rotary hammer or hammer drill.

Conclusion: All things being equal I would say that installation on the mid-rise is the easier of the two just due to the drop it in place nature of the lift.
 
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Garage Space Impact

Many people consider the impact of the lift in their garage when it comes to doing other work not using a lift, general storage impact, parking and access.

In consideration of these things the mid-rise lift is actually fairly good, while the overall footprint is about 33" x 80", with most people the lift is under a parked car. The impact though comes by way of parking ramps that might be needed and these can get in the way a bit, especially if they are built to accommodate different size cars. One thing I really don't like about the Atlas is the length of the supplied hydraulic hose and the safety release cable. With the control unit stored against the front wall the cable and line don't sit flat to the floor in front of the car, If it had another 2' of length then I think it would and I could put something over to not trip on it. This may not be a problem for all garages, the length of my garage is about 23' 4" wall to doors.

Here you see that Atlas lift is completely under my C4 Corvette, other than the power unit and lines in front it is only the ramps I needed that impact the space. If it wasn't for the height, you might not know a lift was in there.
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For the MaxJax the idea is that you can store the lift while not in use, for many this is the best feature. The posts do move easily, so moving the post to be stored against a wall is easy. In order to move the post the lifting arms need to be removed and you might need to come up with a clever method to store these out of the way. These arms are heavy though, so you're not going to toss them up on a particle board shelf tacked on the wall. One consideration is if you can position the lift as I did close to a wall maybe that post will not need to be moved regularly. I'm thinking that I'll only break down the post in the middle of the bays, and leave the other makes things easier and faster to get up and running. Also, I noticed during install the just that small section of wall between two adjoining garage doors is good place to put the posts out of the way.

Here you can see the MaxJax and the left post positioned about 10" from the wall, the only thing lost hear is a clear path on that side of a car. I just made one change in my garage us and now back the Z06 into this space so I can get out more easily even with both posts in place. I can get into teh C4 next to this bay with no impact.
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Conclusion: It's a toss up for me they both allow for a clean garage in different ways.
 
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Lifting

If you are like me you want a lift to make the process of getting a car off the ground quick easy and of course safe. I was surprised with the mid-rise lift, on the pickup it was great as you have the frame exposed and tons of lifting options. For the C4 Corvette I need to make the custom blocks so that the lift would not impact the exhaust, that could just be based on my exhaust. The other odd thing was lifting the Z06, I didn't consider the width of the jacking points but with the arms slid straight out from the lift they barely reach the jacking pucks, in fact the puck will overhang on one side maybe 1/4"-1/2". This issue with the position of the arm means you really have to nail the position of the car as you drive over the lift, I had to reposition several times to hit it just right, frustrating! :shocking:

With the MaxJax the swiveling arms and the extending capability make hitting jacking points easy. I jacked the truck in an instant with the truck extensions on. Even a bigger surprise was that the lift arms slid right under my lowered Z06 and that was with the lift pucks in place and the MaxJax pads removed. Of course you still need to position vehicles properly to center the load but doing that and with posts at 124" I was able to get out of the doors. I do think I would recommend to most people with C5 or C6 Corvettes that the minimum post position be extended out to 126" for better lift arm flexibility.


Here you see the Z06 on the lift and with the posts at 124" you see the arms are at their shortest length, a couple more inches of width would make this more flexible.
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One note, I did this test with the lift already in place, if you first have to "setup" the lift you have some time there to deal with before lifting.

Conclusion: MaxJax is easier lifting.
 
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Dolfan

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Under Car Access

Well this is pretty simple, this is where the MaxJax shines. With just the 4 lift arms that reach in from between the wheel areas to the jacking points, this leave a completely open car underneath. Pretty much any under car project will be easier with the MaxJax. One special note is that if you do a bit of exhaust work or drop drive shaft components a lot this is a big reason for the MaxJax over a mid-rise design.

View of a sedan on teh MaxJax, total open access from front to rear, makes it easy for wheels tools like transmission jacks, and a shop seat to roll anywhere needed.http://lh6.ggpht.com/_z-Hfnr5EYWo/***-t2VX1JI/AAAAAAAADtc/TzQu5t-UAmc/s640/DSCF2688.JPG

Now if you work exclusively on FWD vehicles I can say that the mid-rise does allow good access to the front under car area. But for many other cars as the engine and transmissions have been move further back toward the center of the vehicle over the years access to the transmission area can get a bit cramped with the mid-rise.

View of same sedan on the mid-rise, good access in general but some areas that are tougher to deal with.
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Conclusion: MaxJax is the clear winner for under car access.
 
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