1/4" socket spinner with recess?

[joel63]

This Genius seems a good idea for more torque:

Not sure if anyone other than Genius is making something similar.

The F50CSA does have the drive at the end, but I don't think it's available any more.

 

[kanai]

Ko-ken has various models:

https://kokenusa.com/search.php?search_query=2769n&section=product

This one has Ko-ken's original wobble socket:

https://kokenusa.com/ko-ken-2769nwf-150-1-4-sq-drive-spinner-handle/

This one has the female socket in the handle:

https://kokenusa.com/ko-ken-2769f-1-4-sq-drive-spinner-handle/

This one is folding:

https://kokenusa.com/ko-ken-2769h-1-4-sq-drive-folding-socket-driver/

 

[mikebaker1129]

Here's a photo of the CAT 9S-1722, Snap-On TM4CSA and Snap-On SGT4B.

The Instinct handle on the SGT4B is much bigger which is probably why they didn't put a female end on it. You can definitely get a lot of torque with that big handle.

Regarding the alignment of the ball detent with the logo that someone mentioned previously... I don't think Snap-On is trying to align them. As you can see in my photo, the CAT is actually more aligned than both of the Snap-On branded ones. It's probably just coincidence.

Thanks for posting!
I placed an order for 2. The quality looks too good for the price.
The reality is I do not need another spinner,but with the pics you posted comparing the Cat with the snap on,I couldn't resist.
The Cat does look to compare very much with the Williams versus snap on hard handles. The snap on versions seem slightly more sleek/ slimmer.

 

[tez929rr]

Who would have thought there would be five pages of this? And all good info.

 

[measuredtwice]

Thanks for posting!
I placed an order for 2. The quality looks too good for the price.
The reality is I do not need another spinner,but with the pics you posted comparing the Cat with the snap on,I couldn't resist.
The Cat does look to compare very much with the Williams versus snap on hard handles. The snap on versions seem slightly more sleek/ slimmer.

CAT also has the screwdrivers like Williams. On a full set, you'll get a better price from Williams on Zoro with a 20% off coupon. But if someone wants to try 1 or 2 individual drivers, the free shipping with no minimum purchase from CAT is a good deal.

Don't know why the 1/4 spinner is only available from CAT and not Williams/Case IH/New Holland.

 

[B_Bimmer]

That cat site got expensive for me.

 

[macgee]

That cat site got expensive for me.

Why, did you buy some tractor wheels?

 

[mikebaker1129]

Are there any other High quality Cat branded tools that I need to be on the look out for ?

 

[bob15]

Are there any other High quality Cat branded tools that I need to be on the look out for ?

Their 4 angle wrenches have the same 30°/60° as the Snap On. if you do any work in tight areas, these are awesome wrenches

 

[logical]

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*** Now I know why the all metal knurled M110 Williams get so much money. The small hole you see on the knurling, its for a ball lock to keep the handle from spinning when using as a driver. When using it as an extension you unlock it and the handle spins freely as you turn the shaft with ratchet, pretty slick.

Yes, that's my picture actually from a thread that I couldn't seem to find. I got 3 of them a few years back very cheaply on ebay, sold one and kept two. That extra feature is very handy to allow you to hold it steady with the shaft freely rotating inside the grip or locked in place and used as a standard driver.

 

[javyLSU]

LOL, and I thought I was the only one that liked socket spinners... Nice to know I’m not the only one that uses these!

 

[designer485]

LOL, and I thought I was the only one that liked socket spinners... Nice to know I’m not the only one that uses these!

Nope, not the only one.

1/4 Drive:

 

[mhejl]

LOL, and I thought I was the only one that liked socket spinners... Nice to know I’m not the only one that uses these!

I'm curious on the SO Instinct handles - they look about the same size. My 3/8 handle is about 1" longer and a little fatter than the 1/4. Is the photo just deceiving?

I also have the TM4CSA and a 3/8 and 1/4 hard handle, but both with short ~1" shanks, and both short and long instinct and hard handle ratcheting so, no, you're not the only one.

 

[javyLSU]

I'm curious on the SO Instinct handles - they look about the same size. My 3/8 handle is about 1" longer and a little fatter than the 1/4. Is the photo just deceiving?

I also have the TM4CSA and a 3/8 and 1/4 hard handle, but both with short ~1" shanks, and both short and long instinct and hard handle ratcheting so, no, you're not the only one.

Yeah, must be the angle I took the picture from - the 3/8" handle is about 1/2" longer than the 1/4" and definitely thicker.

 

[macgee]

Yes, that's my picture actually from a thread that I couldn't seem to find. I got 3 of them a few years back very cheaply on ebay, sold one and kept two. That extra feature is very handy to allow you to hold it steady with the shaft freely rotating inside the grip or locked in place and used as a standard driver.

Logical,

Hope you don't mind that I used your photo? It's the only one I can find with the handle raised.

Question, I assume when it's in locked handle, hand turning mode, the handle is raised and when you have the handle spin freely while using the ratchet, it is lowered? I would thought it would be the opposite but reason asking is that if the handle is raised, wouldn't it get in the way of the ratchet fitting inside the female socket?

I found the orig. patent drawings for this spinner by Willard C. Kress

https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&idkey=NONE&SectionNum=3&HomeUrl=&docid=2071543

 

[Rabid Badger]

That yellow Koken looks pretty good. Same overall length as most spinners but with more reach below the grip. Reasonably priced, too.

 

[logical]

Logical,

Hope you don't mind that I used your photo? It's the only one I can find with the handle raised.

Question, I assume when it's in locked handle, hand turning mode, the handle is raised and when you have the handle spin freely while using the ratchet, it is lowered? I would thought it would be the opposite but reason asking is that if the handle is raised, wouldn't it get in the way of the ratchet fitting inside the female socket?

I found the orig. patent drawings for this spinner by Willard C. Kress

https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&idkey=NONE&SectionNum=3&HomeUrl=&docid=2071543

Raising the handle frees it but no, the handle sleeve does not interfere with an extension or even universal joint. There would not really be a need to attach a ratchet directly to it. If using a rarchet/extension/universal/williams arrangement, the spinning handle helps keep it all aligned or at a desired angle. It's not a miracle tool or even necessary...just cool and well made.

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[Ralf11]

Did Williams make a 3/8" drive version of the m-110?

 

[Mr. Tool]

Here are a few 1/4” socket drivers that I have.

 

[javyLSU]

I posted this in the green Snap-on thread, but figured I would post here also. I think this is the only color other than black that Snap-on makes in this driver.

Re: The Green Tools ****

I already have the black set of these, but saw in the catalog that Snap-on makes a green version of the 1/4” (TM4CSAG) and had my dealer order me one. I love these spinner handles with the female square drive in the end - I find them handy in so many situations. This also extends my 3 week streak of ordering stuff my dealer didn’t even know Snap-on made...

 

[ChevyEFI]

Their site currently lists red and orange in addition to the black and green.
The longer one is listed on their site in black currently.

 

[cherrybomb]

I have the Koken folding handle in 1/4 ,and 3/8,I really enjoy the versatility I get out of one tool.Palmac is where I got mine.I also have Allen brand and SK with the 1/4 receptor, all good also.

 

[egdede]

There is one that appears to be in good condition on eBay right now for $12.00 plus $4.70 shipping (pics below):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spinner-1-...461468?hash=item3fd54be8dc:g:0JwAAOSwPjJeAZuU

Still listed. Don't buy it. Not all are the same. I exploded one like this where the female wasn't one-piece with the rest of the shaft. Mine was solid so I didn't know until it exploded. USA Craftsman, year unknown.

 

[R.Bolte.Jr]

Tekton has one in their 1/4" sets, although it looks a lot like their American made hard-handle screwdrivers, it isn't mentioned anywhere else on their webpage...

https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-drive-6-point-socket-and-ratchet-set-skt05101

 

[javyLSU]

Their site currently lists red and orange in addition to the black and green.
The longer one is listed on their site in black currently.

Oh nice, that definitely wasn’t the case when I got mine.

 

[ChevyEFI]

yeah. You know they make the handles. You know they make them in the different colors.

But so the trucks have "new" colors, they don't list everything at once, I imagine.

The CAT black one works just fine.

 

[ihateminimumwage]

I've been passively looking for the Proto Duratek driver that I don't think was ever actually released (was hoping MAC would put out a version too, but no luck)

Home Industrial Tools Official Site | PROTO

Proto Industrial Tools - Safety Obsessed

www.protoindustrial.com

I just put in an order for the CAT handled driver through the local dealer. Not going to complain for $12.

 

[KnurledNut]

Did Williams make a 3/8" drive version of the m-110?

No.

 

[Mr. Tool]

Did Williams make a 3/8" drive version of the m-110?

Yes and No.....

Yes Williams does make a 3/8" spinner driver ( model 31016) but No...not with the clear blue acetate handle nor with the female end insert either.

 

[BFHtime]

I find the best thing about using a spinner is taking sockets off. When I keep changing sockets on the same ratchet because of access, I will usually use a spinner. Especially when the head of the ratchet is bigger than the socket. I probably use them more with 1/4" because when they get slick they are hard to pull off. If have a bunch of different sizes, I will usually set up several ratchets with different sizes, if they will fit. I like just swapping ratchets instead of changing sockets because it is quicker, than fighting to take off a socket in a hurry. If I have a hard time remove a socket with oily hands, I will use a flat screw driver or a quick release ratchet to make it easier.

 

[BFHtime]

I was talking about a ratchet spinner. Completely wrong thing.

 

[KnurledNut]

Question, I assume when it's in locked handle, hand turning mode, the handle is raised and when you have the handle spin freely while using the ratchet, it is lowered? I would thought it would be the opposite but reason asking is that if the handle is raised, wouldn't it get in the way of the ratchet fitting inside the female socket?

Raising the handle frees it but no, the handle sleeve does not interfere with an extension or even universal joint. There would not really be a need to attach a ratchet directly to it. If using a rarchet/extension/universal/williams arrangement, the spinning handle helps keep it all aligned or at a desired angle.

When raised , the handle does get in the way of a ratchet, including the same era Williams.
However, the vintage M-20A/NM-20A sliding T-handle was designed to fit it perfectly and IMO makes this tool much more versatile.
I have tried other T's but the body diameter is too big, including Snap-on, and wont recess in the handle sleeve.

Here's a pic on mine:

 

[Bubba Fett]

I have a Craftsman version with the female end, as well as a Great Neck version, which looks like the Mintcraft/Edwards version, down to the color. I believe it's made by the same OEM as those as well as the Williams version.

 

[Jtels85]

Does anyone still make one? I know I've seen old C'man and S-K but I seem to have lost mine. Current S-K does not appear to have one. Has come in awful handy in a few situations. I mean a screwdriver style spinner handle with a recess for a ratchet or breaker in the back of the handle. Thanks!

NAPA Carlyle makes a 1/4” drive spinner handle with the female recess at the top of the handle.

 

[Dave455]

Ones that can also act like an extension with a female on the handle end? We know Snap-On (TM9csa), Williams (M-106A), Craftsman (43393) and SK (40953) makes them.

Can anyone else provide another with a part # that hasn't been mentioned ?? Harder than you think finding one while doing a search.

Haven't seen any made by Germans/Old World or Japanese, not that they don't exist but no joy while doing a search or finding descriptions that describe it. Found none on KC Tools.
I wished Heyco made one with an extension option, they make nice small simple profile handles; like the one on their regular 1/4" spinner.

Yes, they’re out there!

Stahlwille is “Drall 400”

Koken 2769F

 

[RTM]

*** Now I know why the all metal knurled M110 Williams get so much money. The small hole you see on the knurling, its for a ball lock to keep the handle from spinning when using as a driver. When using it as an extension you unlock it and the handle spins freely as you turn the shaft with ratchet, pretty slick.

Yes, that's my picture actually from a thread that I couldn't seem to find. I got 3 of them a few years back very cheaply on ebay, sold one and kept two. That extra feature is very handy to allow you to hold it steady with the shaft freely rotating inside the grip or locked in place and used as a standard driver.

So, I just found out that an extension I bought a few months back is actually a Williams M110 with the locking sleeve. Didn't notice the two holes for the ball bearings to pop thru. Is there some magic to get this thing to disengage? I sprayed some lube in the holes, both bearings seem to move independently, but I can't see an easy way to get them both unlocked. Seems like pulling should do it, but it seems more stuck than that.

 

[ChevyEFI]

a Williams M110 with the locking sleeve. , both bearings seem to move independently, but I can't see an easy way to get them both unlocked. Seems like pulling should do it, but it seems more stuck than that.

Appears to be a history of rust? Vinegar soak. Tap with soft mallet at M square, handle supported.

 

[RTM]

Appears to be a history of rust? Vinegar soak. Tap with soft mallet at M square, handle supported.

Actually, I was surprised at how shiny it was. It almost seemed unused. Except for the crud in the two ball holes.

Did you mean to say the female end? Because the male end is already bottomed out against the shoulder of the spinner bit.

 

[RTM]

Actually, I was surprised at how shiny it was. It almost seemed unused. Except for the crud in the two ball holes.

Did you mean to say the female end? Because the male end is already bottomed out against the shoulder of the spinner bit.

Never mind. Tapping the female end did do it. It was just cruddy lubricant dried in place that was the problem. Once I got it free I put the square end in a tap handle so I could spin it. Sprayed WD-40 in it. Crud is slowly breaking down, then we'll put some real lube in it when I'm done.

And a tip,, to collapse it into a fixed speeder again, the ball bearing needs to line up with either of the two holes in the knurled section.



Thanks

 

[KnurledNut]

@RTM
They are such a unique spinner handle. If you plan to use it, the T-handle I mentioned above in post #112 is a great accessory and not hard to find used.