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Hey guys,I am in the process of doing research on 2 post lifts,I already have a 4,and I really have been investigating them pretty hard lately,and would like to see what some of you can offer for advice,do's and don'ts,etc.
I think I have just about heard of every lift possible by now,and have a couple narrowed down to get that fit my needs and budget.
Let me start by saying my ceiling is 10',so my only option is a baseplate 2 post.Also,a 9K lb. is what I'm after.Not to beat a dead horse on American vs. Chinese lifts,but after talking with a couple lift distributors and installers, actually learned what lifts were American,and Chinese.And one lift seller/distributor/servicer, who focus' on Mohawk,basically told me that a lift of that caliber,and price is way to overkill for a home hobbiest,and has installed Chinese lifts too and recommends that be the way I go as they can be bought for $ 2K and less.
I still would like to go alittle overkill as far as how stout the structure is for baseplate size,column size,lock configuration,etc,and have found these two to be in my interest Atlas BP9000 and the Driect Lift Pro 9F.
I even took a ride to NH to Greg Smith Equipment to physically see that one in person.It has what they call supersymetric arms as they do both,where the Direct is just symetrical.
One question I have is/was asymetrical designed for front heavy cars,trucks etc,to be put on the lift offset,or is this for ease of putting cars on the lift not all the way in to make opening the doors easier?
There are alot of lifts out there,some being exact from one to another ,just difff names on them,and very obviuos to see.Some being obvious Chinese lifts,and some that you thought were American,but are not,and to my suprise,here are a few that I thought were American,but are not........

Rotary,Bend Pak,Forward,and even Challenger.Rotary has a new line called Revolution,Forward is also made by the same makers as Direct Lift.
Pretty much the only American made one I found was Mohawk,and another made in Texas(forgot the name),and as you know,All American Lifts,which used to be American Lifters,went out of business.
I'm just as proud to be American as anyone else,and would love to have one in my garage made here,but there are the results for me.My dimented way of thinking of the Chinese made lifts are such,if they were total junk,and were snapping and dropping,killing or hurting people,that specific lift would be found out very fast,especially with todays forums like such,stopped in production,law suits against the distributor,and be setting them out of business.

O.K,anything I'm missing?????
 
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I've been researching them a bit lately myself and the Direct Lift Pro 9F is near the top of the list for me. Bang for the buck it looks like a lot of lift and it appears to be the same as the Revolution RTP9, which is certified (check the spec sheets - identical save for the logo on them).

I've heard good things about the Atlas, too though.
 

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Rotary is also made in America...Madison,IN..(they also have a Chiness made lift for overseas). I bought my 4 post lift off of Greg Smith in Indiana..It's a Direct Lift and have found it good Quality..Greg Smith stands behind their lifts and I would trust whatever lift they suggested for your needs
 
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I've been researching them a bit lately myself and the Direct Lift Pro 9F is near the top of the list for me. Bang for the buck it looks like a lot of lift and it appears to be the same as the Revolution RTP9, which is certified (check the spec sheets - identical save for the logo on them).

I've heard good things about the Atlas, too though.



I have just ran thru the Forward(which is made by the same company,Dover)specs,as well as the Revolution(which is a part of Rotary)specs,and pics,and go figure,take a close look at the pics of all three lifts,they look eaxctly the same,columns,baseplate,gusset on the baseplate,and.... all the exact same measurements......

138 1/2" wide 111 1/4" high 97 1/4" drive thru 111 '' inside column

and Forward even talks about the secondary lock from chain slack as the Direct pro9f does, hmmmmmm?

Seems to me the Direct pro9f is looking better and better,and at $1,895.00!!!
 

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The Forward,and Revolution both are,and are $2,600.00 .There's the extra cost.

If you say so, but for me I am not going to get under one that is not after having a non certified lift try to kill me.
In the grand scheme of things, is it worth 700 bucks to be safe?
 

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There are atleast 3 American lift makers out of Texas. All of which build nicer lifts than all of the chinese import ****. They are between $400 to $700 more than the import lifts but well worth the extra money.

My friend cheaped out and bought a Direct lift and the power unit looks like something from Harbor Freight.
 

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There are atleast 3 American lift makers out of Texas. All of which build nicer lifts than all of the chinese import ****. They are between $400 to $700 more than the import lifts but well worth the extra money.

My friend cheaped out and bought a Direct lift and the power unit looks like something from Harbor Freight.

Can you tell me who they are? If a road trip to Texas would save a lot of shipping cost, The price might not be even as much as you mentioned in the end.
Mike
 

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Can you tell me who they are? If a road trip to Texas would save a lot of shipping cost, The price might not be even as much as you mentioned in the end.
Mike

Gemini, Worth, and Whip Industries (I bought a WAS10).

They should be all about the same price. The reasons for the extra few hundred bucks is obvious when you see a Whip and a Chinese lift side by side.

PM me with any questions.
 

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Are there any certifications referenced OUTSIDE the US? To me it seems that cars are lifted and lowered worldwide, yet everyone in the US wants ALI cert. What do they look for and use in Europe?
 

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Hey guys,I am in the process of doing research on 2 post lifts,I already have a 4,and I really have been investigating them pretty hard lately,and would like to see what some of you can offer for advice,do's and don'ts,etc.
I think I have just about heard of every lift possible by now,and have a couple narrowed down to get that fit my needs and budget.
Let me start by saying my ceiling is 10',so my only option is a baseplate 2 post.Also,a 9K lb. is what I'm after.Not to beat a dead horse on American vs. Chinese lifts,but after talking with a couple lift distributors and installers, actually learned what lifts were American,and Chinese.And one lift seller/distributor/servicer, who focus' on Mohawk,basically told me that a lift of that caliber,and price is way to overkill for a home hobbiest,and has installed Chinese lifts too and recommends that be the way I go as they can be bought for $ 2K and less.
I still would like to go alittle overkill as far as how stout the structure is for baseplate size,column size,lock configuration,etc,and have found these two to be in my interest Atlas BP9000 and the Driect Lift Pro 9F.
I even took a ride to NH to Greg Smith Equipment to physically see that one in person.It has what they call supersymetric arms as they do both,where the Direct is just symetrical.
One question I have is/was asymetrical designed for front heavy cars,trucks etc,to be put on the lift offset,or is this for ease of putting cars on the lift not all the way in to make opening the doors easier?
There are alot of lifts out there,some being exact from one to another ,just difff names on them,and very obviuos to see.Some being obvious Chinese lifts,and some that you thought were American,but are not,and to my suprise,here are a few that I thought were American,but are not........

Rotary,Bend Pak,Forward,and even Challenger.Rotary has a new line called Revolution,Forward is also made by the same makers as Direct Lift.
Pretty much the only American made one I found was Mohawk,and another made in Texas(forgot the name),and as you know,All American Lifts,which used to be American Lifters,went out of business.
I'm just as proud to be American as anyone else,and would love to have one in my garage made here,but there are the results for me.My dimented way of thinking of the Chinese made lifts are such,if they were total junk,and were snapping and dropping,killing or hurting people,that specific lift would be found out very fast,especially with todays forums like such,stopped in production,law suits against the distributor,and be setting them out of business.

O.K,anything I'm missing?????

I went with a Mohawk System 1 10K lift & I'm only a hobbyist. Did a lot of research before buying and decided that I only wanted to buy one that could lift anything I or my friends own with no worries and decided on this one. Price was admittedly more than an import lift but since I installed it in 08 I have saved the price of the lift in labor charges on work performed on my vehicles alone, not counting work done on others vehicles. I can have a Diesel F250 overhead & literally hang from the rear bumper and it barely moves, wouldn't do that with a cheap import. As this is something that will last you the rest of your life and then some, I would find a way to get a good one, mine is down to about $35/week over the time I have owned it and dropping, by the time I have had it 10 yrs it will be down to $10/week which isn't even a trip to McDonald's for the family. I don't even think about what it cost when I see it, just how glad I am to have it whenever I need it. With this lift you would have a clear floor with no baseplate to worry about and it would fit under your ceiling no problems. Good luck on whatever you decide :beer:
 
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I know what you're saying,and have found a lift co,american made,Worth.Looking to see if anyone has anything to say about them.I cannot get an overhead lift due to my 10' ceiling height.All of the Mohawks are overhead lines,and even the cheapest lift,their 7K lb. is $6,600.Way to much IMO.The heaviest thing I will pick would be my truck @ 6,000K lbs.,and even at that will not be able to be lifted that high,because of the 10' ceiling I have.
 

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I have four Rptary 2 posts rated between 7 and 10 thousand pounds.

I buy a lot of used equipment and find myself getting very good deals that way.

Remember this, new lifts are only new until you use them -- then they are used. You can save a bunch of money on used equipment if you know what you are looking for. My buddy sells used equipment and he hooks me up. If anyone is in the S.E. and needs a hand, I am happy to help.

Another thing to keep in mind is that YOU will be standing under the lift with a car over your head. Is a chepa Chinese lift worth the savings when you have to worry about the lift coming down on you?
 

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I know what you're saying,and have found a lift co,american made,Worth.Looking to see if anyone has anything to say about them.I cannot get an overhead lift due to my 10' ceiling height.All of the Mohawks are overhead lines,and even the cheapest lift,their 7K lb. is $6,600.Way to much IMO.The heaviest thing I will pick would be my truck @ 6,000K lbs.,and even at that will not be able to be lifted that high,because of the 10' ceiling I have.

Have you considered a scissor lift? For that ceiling height they work great, but they do limit what you can do under the car.
 

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I have worked under a whip 2-post for about 8yrs and it lifts all!!! Go american made for the love of god!!!Challenger is chinese which is bull because the salesman sold me usa and the crates for rolling jacks and things marked made in china, and the welds have it written all over them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I also researched 2 post lifts.

For a 10' ceiling, go with a Mohawk System 1 lift.

FYI: Mohawk is coming out with a 12K lift in the System 1 frame. Also it is going to be available with 3 stage arms to lift the extended/crew cab trucks. I spoke with Mohawk concerning the issue with the arm length and they stated that they received alot of complaints with the arms being short for the extended wheelbase trucks. Hence the reason they are making the lift. The lift is currently in the testing phase and should be out in the spring. :bounce:

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I also researched 2 post lifts.

For a 10' ceiling, go with a Mohawk System 1 lift.

FYI: Mohawk is coming out with a 12K lift in the System 1 frame. Also it is going to be available with 3 stage arms to lift the extended/crew cab trucks. I spoke with Mohawk concerning the issue with the arm length and they stated that they received alot of complaints with the arms being short for the extended wheelbase trucks. Hence the reason they are making the lift. The lift is currently in the testing phase and should be out in the spring. :bounce:

Billy T.
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Still does'nt work for a 10' ceiling,and nevermind the $6,600.00 price tag.Way to much!!!!
 
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I have worked under a whip 2-post for about 8yrs and it lifts all!!! Go american made for the love of god!!!Challenger is chinese which is bull because the salesman sold me usa and the crates for rolling jacks and things marked made in china, and the welds have it written all over them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whip is by far IMO the best value in lifts today. Components, Welds, and finish are leaps and bounds better than the marginally cheaper chinese lifts.
 

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You need a HYDRA-LIFT. Although not made in USA, they are made in Canada. This lift is a model 28. It's rated at 9,000 lbs. They are brutally heavy duty. And as you can see from the photo, it mounts to the floor with only four bolts per side. It has a minimal concrete requirement and is very stable.

This lift design has not been changed it about forty years. Why mess with a good thing. I got mine used for $1,000.

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Whip is by far IMO the best value in lifts today. Components, Welds, and finish are leaps and bounds better than the marginally cheaper chinese lifts.

Checked them out to,their 2 post baseplate,low ceiling lift is to wife for where I am trying to put it.
 
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You need a HYDRA-LIFT. Although not made in USA, they are made in Canada. This lift is a model 28. It's rated at 9,000 lbs. They are brutally heavy duty. And as you can see from the photo, it mounts to the floor with only four bolts per side. It has a minimal concrete requirement and is very stable.

This lift design has not been changed it about forty years. Why mess with a good thing. I got mine used for $1,000.

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Just checked out the website,do the pistons/cylders rise up out of the lift as you go up with it?????They show a column height and then another measurement what looks to be a piston rised up out of it??????At 148'',which is,no good for me.
 

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I just picked up a used (approx. late 80's) mohawk system I 9000lb lift for $2240. Just installed yesterday. Works great so far. Installation was $400 labor plus anchor bolts. If it fits, why not? I trust it more than a brand spanking new chinese lift.

..On a quick check of mohawk FAQ's on the system I page on their site..I think they might require 10'6"..not entirely sure.
 
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I just picked up a used (approx. late 80's) mohawk system I 9000lb lift for $2240. Just installed yesterday. Works great so far. Installation was $400 labor plus anchor bolts. If it fits, why not? I trust it more than a brand spanking new chinese lift.

..On a quick check of mohawk FAQ's on the system I page on their site..I think they might require 10'6"..not entirely sure.

Yes,any of the Mohawk lifts will not work with my 10' ceiling.As I said before,Mohawk is most likely the strongest lift out there,and the most expensive.For a commercial operation,being used multiple times a day,is def worth the investment.Also as I said,we all live here and want to support OUR homefront with purchases,but to each and every individuals needs and requirements for a lift plays a big part to.
I don't want to sound like I am ruling out an american lift product(in the process of checking specs with Worth lifts),but face the facts,how many thousands of the "chinese"lifts have been sold and are in service as we speak????Now tell me how many of those you heard about failing/collapsing?????Other than GregSmith taking a competitors 10K lb. lift,overloading it with 15K lbs. and watching it snap,break and collapse,NO ****,REALLY !!!!!!How many of you out there would take your Mohawk 9K lb. lift and put a 13-15K lb truck on it?????Highly doubt it.
If these "chinese" lifts were breaking and failing that miserably,we would be hearing about it very quickly,especially with a forum like this.
Yes,the obvious,the $1,395.00 offshore lifts don't look that appealing,but ones like Direct Pro 9F(same as the certified Forward,and Rotarys new line Revolution),Atlas BP 9000,and of all Bendpak(which is made overseas,except for their power unit,SPX stone).You see Benpaks everywhere!!!
Unless I'm missing something,show me some examples of why the ''Chinese" lifts are deemed to be junk.Crappy steel,inferior cylinders/hyd lines,welds????
For the most part,to why they are that much cheaper,is the way less cost of labor.Bendpak for example claim they constantly monitor their factory and quality regularly to make sure.
I can personally see obvious better quality in the Bendpaks as such,larger caraiges,larger diameter pulleys,better designed cylinders,and the SPX power unit.$2,820 delivered does'nt sound that bad!!!!!
 

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Yes the cylinder does rise. I never thought of that. There is only one cylinder though. Could you have a hole in your ceiling so the cylinder is free to enter the attic space near the center of your garage?
 
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no,living space over garage,thats what limited me in the first place of the 10' ceiling.
 

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Why won't a System 1 Mohawk lift work? The pistons stay inside the columns of a System 1.

You go to a 12K Mohawk, the pistons come out of the columns. That's why I previously posted about Mohawks new 12K lift coming out.

I'm not a fan of the cross cables on the floor. If you ever have to remove a trans, that plate is always in the way.

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Why won't a System 1 Mohawk lift work? The pistons stay inside the columns of a System 1.

You go to a 12K Mohawk, the pistons come out of the columns. That's why I previously posted about Mohawks new 12K lift coming out.

I'm not a fan of the cross cables on the floor. If you ever have to remove a trans, that plate is always in the way.

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Yes,you are right,the pistons don't come out of the system one,but I would have to fab some new hyd lines with my ceiling being 10'.
Not concerned about a lift having the lines/cables crossing the floor though,like you said,doing a ******.I have a four post lift I can do that on,which the new 2 post will be right on the side of,one of each.
 

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Yes,you are right,the pistons don't come out of the system one,but I would have to fab some new hyd lines with my ceiling being 10'.
Not concerned about a lift having the lines/cables crossing the floor though,like you said,doing a ******.I have a four post lift I can do that on,which the new 2 post will be right on the side of,one of each.

No fabbing required, just shorten them. Cut and flare.
 
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Well,after still calling places,exploring my options,prices,etc,I still am searching and trying to decide which way I want to go.
Forget about Mohawk,to expensive for what I want to do with it,I am not a production shop that it will be going up and down 10 times a day.
Forget Rotary,as they all are top connecting lifts,except there lesser line called Revolution that has a 2 post baseplate,which I have found is the same exact lift as the Forward,and Direct Pro9f.
If I were to consider the Direct Pro9f,it would run $2,130.00 with shipping.At that I would spend the extra and get a Bendpak @ $2,820.00 with shipping,and have alittle better quality lift with some better quality features about it.
The one thing that has stopped me from pulling the trigger on the Bendpak XPR-9FS is due to the narrow column width @ 102''.The model XPR-9FSX is 115'' between,but does not fit where I am putting a 2 post lift due to another lift right next to it (four post) and it will be on top of my radiant floor heat pex lines in the floor.I can only go up to about 138'' wide overall with any lift.
The other day,Sunday,my friend called me and I did'nt realize he just purchased a lift last year,an Eagle 9k lb overhead two post.So I went to check it out,and quickly caught on as this is the exact same of all the 1,395-1,595 inexpensive two post lifts that many disributors sell,just diff colors and names,but basically the same exact thing.So what makes it better that it is an Eagle vs. the others ?Nothing,just the price.The lift looks pretty solid,goes up and down real nice,even with his 67 GTO on it.Geuss it should as the car is less than 4k lbs.!!!
Just for my own satisfaction I called them,and the Eagle MTP-9f is on sale @ $1,399.00.Very cost effective,but still rather ahve the Bendpak,it's just the inside dimension that is holding me back.The Eagle is 110'',vs. Bendpak 102''.
For little cars that would seem fine,but if any of you have this lift,would love to let me know what your experience is with it.
Now I know I will be getting the crowd that says they would never stand under a chinese lift,but reality is most of you already are,hence ,Rotarys,Bendpaks,Forward,etc.
Bottom line,even if I did go with the Eagle,or any other of the inexpensive chinese lifts,once it is on the locks,it's not like it's going to snap,well unles I try to put 6-7K lbs more on it,LOL.
So,what is the worst that most likely would happen to these,pumps wearing out,cylinders start to leak????
The only other option I have been spinning the wheel on is....buying the Bendpak XPR-9FSX ,145'' overall width,setting it up at 140'',and have Bendpak themselves make me new equalization cables and the one hydraulic line that passes under,to my taylored specs.Now,I would have 110'' between the columns.And yes,spoke to them about this,and they said they can make me new cables.
Or,I pocket $1,200.00 and get the Eagle.
 

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3x9RT/SE,

Did you make a decision?- I will shortly be making the same decision and am in a very similar position as yourself, the occasional hobbyist with limited ceiling clearance.

Regards,

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I'm leaning toward the Bendpak XPR-9FS,with the reasoning that even though it is a overseas lift,it is from their own manufacturing facility,they oversee their manufacturing process I beleive tighter than the full blown chinese lift companys that send them here to be renamed for all the distributors selling lifts.(Refering to all the 1,399.00-1,595.00 lifts that are obviously the same model).
Once they get here,they assemble with american made power units(SPX Stone),hydraulics,and cylinders.Also,well known name,and will stand behind their product.
But,also have looked into Dannmar,as it is their sister company,as you see whoever sells Bendpak lifts,most of the time offer Dannmars as well.Take a close look at Dannmar lifts,you will see alot of similaritys,even in the measurements.And these to have the same american made power unit,hydraulics.And if you notice,noone keeps those in stock either,just like the Bendpaks,free shipping direct from them in southern CA!!!!
 
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Well,after much deciding on which way to go,I bought my lift today,I went with the Bendpak XPR-9FS.
For multiple reasons as I stated in one of my replys.Do I think the Eagle MTP-9 would have been fine,sure it would have,I would have never pushed it to anywhere near its limit.Just a few key features of the Bendpak that I like better,single point release,3 stage front arms,SPX power unit,and alittle better cylinder,6 bolts in each baseplate,but also,the 5-2-1 warranty.1st year parts and labor,so that to me was pretty good as if something was going to happen with the lift,hopefully it happens then.Pretty much narrows it down to hydraulic issues,very much doubt the structure would fail.
Also being delivered to a freight terminal only 2 miles from my house!!!!Should be getting it by next weekend they said.As my floor is thicker than usual,I'm going to get the 7'' long anchor bolts so they are alittle farther down there.
The wiring part is pretty much done,breaker already there in the panel(off),and wire run to above where the column is going to be,just gotta cut a hole in sheetrock,mount a box,and drop an SJO cord down.Looking forward to getting it now!!!!!!
 

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For American made, you also need to look at Challenger lifts. Most of theirs are made in Kentucky and they will tell you the few of theirs that aren't.
 

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"All of the Mohawks are overhead lines,......."

Nope, you can put the lines where you want them. If you don't want them overhead they can loop around forward or rearward from the lift or can be put in the floor. Mine are in the floor.
 

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I think you will be very happy with your Bendpak.
I've had two of them and they have been great. (I have the XPR-10cx)
The last one I got about two months ago and one of the small parts packages was opened and I thought maybe I may be missing some smallparts.
One call to them and I had two people respond the next day, they couldn't do enough for me. They were ready to ship whatever was missing ended up nothing was missing but the point here is great service.
 
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