Outlawmws
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This ^^^^Provincial, you **** big time for all that stuff!!
This ^^^^Provincial, you **** big time for all that stuff!!
Dang you ****! Some good stuff in there like the early pliers and the body hammer. The p&c dbe is so early they were not using part numbers at that timeLast Fall, I attended an estate sale of a hoarder who frequented garage sales, brought home the stuff, and just packed it randomly in his garage. After he died, his family was stuck with cleaning out the house. They had not sorted through the tools yet, so I told them I was interested in Plomb and P&C tools. The son promised me they would separate out the tools I was interested in.
Last night I noticed they were having another sale, so I showed up a half hour early. The son brought out a box of Plomb and P&C tools, and we settled on a price. The first photo is the wrenches.
Plomb:
Pebble 5449 1/2 dr. ratchets (3)
WF-38 1/2 dr. ratchet
256 Pliers
LA 238 Pliers
4780 1/4 dr. speeder
1135 DBE 11/16 x 3/4
1222 combo 11/16
1220 combo 5/8
1426 body hammer
P&C:
2118 short DBE 1/2 x 9/16
2222 DBE 5-8 x 11-16
"P&C TOOL CO. MILWAUKIE, OREGON" short DBE 1/2 x 9/16 (no numbers)
6211 1/2 dr. ratchet
Plomb Pebble:
3041 DOE 7/8 x 1-1/16
3045 DOE 15/16 x 1
3035 DOE 11/16 x 3/4
3031 DOE 5/8 x 3/4
1226 combo 13/16 (2)
1224 combo 3/4
1126 DBE 1/2 x 9/16
5265 3/8 dr. hinge handle
Non-pebble:
WF-20 3/8 dr. hinge handle
1730 Starter DBE 9/16 x 5/8
5 7/16 chisel
5461 1/2 dr. extension
5260 3/8 dr. extensions (2)
Sockets:
P&C 3/8 dr. 9/16
Plomb:
4712 1/4 dr. 3/8
3/8 dr.---
5012 deep 3/8
WF-28 7/16
5216 1/2
5274 flex 7/16
5276 flex 9/16
5277 flex 5/8
1/2 dr. ---
4520 stud remover
5347 deep 13/16 (2)
5414 7/16 (2)
5416 1/2 (3)
5418 9/16 (2)
5420 5/8 (2)
5421 21/32
5422 11/16
5424 3/4 (2)
5426 13/16
5428 7/8
5430 15/16
5432 1 (3)
5436 1-1/8
5438 1-3/16
There is a matched set from 7/16 to 1-3/16, less the 1-1/16 that was obviously made at the same time. All markings and finish are the same.
I think the #238 pliers are interesting. They were made before the "Name Knurl" era, and the "rope" knurls are both interesting and beautiful. Probably made in the late '30's.
The one shorty P&C DBE is interesting. No part number.'
The body hammer is not marked LA or USA.
They may yet find more stuff in this mess, so there may be a follow-up in a few months!







Wow you sure did good with that haul! Those 238 pliers look like they were made by Wilde. According to alloy artifacts they started making that style in 1926. I never knew Plomb sourced stuff from them beforeI think the #238 pliers are interesting. They were made before the "Name Knurl" era, and the "rope" knurls are both interesting and beautiful. Probably made in the late '30's.
Jeff it was soooo cool. Heavy, too. You see how it gets mounted horizontally.ohhhh
Try these guys they are the big players in the business. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Friday.
I went to a variety of sales to the south of me, not driving too far due to gas prices. First stop was at a couple sisters dealing with their fathers estate. They listed vintage tools, but not much of interest, mostly old brace bits. I did find this though:
Pretty beat up, missing a till, but having all the original brass hardware was a real plus. Also, it was incredibly cheap, considering that most of the ones I see have been repainted, hasp locks added, etc. A project, but what is new.
A sale nearby the first yielded this:
a nice diamond ear SK box
After that I headed to the big event, a tool sale. Normally I would hit these types of things first, but there was scheduled to be another sale nearby that looked interesting, but didn't start until 11 am. Who does this? Anyway:
Well, the "big tool sale" wasn't that interesting. Mostly old hardware and whatnot, my guess is someone pulled the good tools out. So it goes. I did pick up the PC 4-way, Starrett scraper, a book on sound experiments from '20, and the wooden box below that:
Which turned out to be a homemade tackle box, semi-full of vintage fishing gear:
Old lures and spoons, pre-war hooks, early leaders, etc. I should be able to make back my money on that.
The other sale around those parts, that didn't start until 11AM, was strictly Harbor Frieght. And overpriced at that. But, there was another sale around the corner...
I have bought from this guy many times, look forward to his sales, as he has interesting stuff from all over the west, along with good prices. Not much I was interested in this time, mostly knives, but I did find this:
A pre-war Montgomery Wards/Mossberg .22, missing the bolt and magazine. Which is why I was able to get it for almost nothing. Now, I know that the parts to get it going again will be approximately 10X what I paid, it will never be in perfect condition, and so on. But, this is what projects are for, no? And there are no blued steel and walnut .22s available new anymore, so I think it is worth it to save this one. Plus, I had been looking for a basic .22 for a while now, and this will fit the bill nicely.












































And don’t worry too much about that loss, it’s a cheapo import. The Vise Grip on the other hand, pretty interesting. Too bad she wouldn’t sell it.The multi tool is for working with tire weights.





I found a three Proto sockets at the flea market.... I found a few items and had them piled up and one of the people ... said "Well, they sell for about $160 new.... "
I went out to my truck and drove back home.
Dang, nice grab on the crown top wall cabinet. Not nearly as common as the heritage badged one.Some excellent scores fellas.
I went to a sale this morning. Two large storage units full of estate Items. Wife wouldn’t go. Mom came and waited in the car for me (a long time) while I dug through tools, and afterwards we went to a great Mexican lunch! Sorry, forgot food pics.
This is not my favorite score of the day, but it had to come home with me!
I was like what is that odd looking cabinet standing by that table? Oh dang! Tagged $20 Only.
Needs some tlc. The nice lady accepted $15.
My favorite score, no pics yet. An old, stout chest of drawers with a workbench top. Solid wood. Six drawers all built with rollers! Best part is it came painted already, even interior of drawers. Haggled down to $25 and I’m a happy camper with these two finds to go in my new shed.
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Plomb grind off’s where from the lawsuit and were often sold under the p&c brand because they were considered the inferior line under company structure, not physical characteristics. Proto grind offs where sold to employees due to some sort of defect or reason they didn’t pass quality inspectionFound a nice Armstrong F-91 3/8" drive ratchet and an itsy bitsy teenie weenie 4" Proto adjustable.
The Proto is ground off...
Now, I have seen Plomb tools where the Plomb was ground off. I was told that it was done by Proto after the lawsuit.
Not surprising as they were still good usable tools
But...
The ground brand looks bad.
Real bad
Who did Proto sell those tools to?
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Jake’s Flea this morning netted two Bonney ballpeins and (I think) a Germantown ballpein with a broken handle, plus a pitted but readable No3 steel screw PSW C-clamp, all for $6. I had my hands on a crowntop machinist chest with serious rust, but all the pieces for $20, but let it go. I circled back but the vendor had sold it for $25 to a guy who wanted it for his grandson. That’s better anyway. I’ve got a damaged one I’ve already pulled apart, and it is a chore. Still…









ornaments for the small tree we put up in the kitchen.

That “overhead projector lens “ looks like a railroad signal lens. For directing light down the track so train can see it at great distance.
Yes exactlyIts flat on one side does that still fit that theory?
Edit: - A quick test - Maybe - it seems to have about a 6" focal plane for a beam, and it is 6" in diameter.




This is a door skin hammer. Very nice!!!Last Fall, I attended an estate sale of a hoarder who frequented garage sales, brought home the stuff, and just packed it randomly in his garage. After he died, his family was stuck with cleaning out the house. They had not sorted through the tools yet, so I told them I was interested in Plomb and P&C tools. The son promised me they would separate out the tools I was interested in.
Last night I noticed they were having another sale, so I showed up a half hour early. The son brought out a box of Plomb and P&C tools, and we settled on a price. The first photo is the wrenches.
Plomb:
Pebble 5449 1/2 dr. ratchets (3)
WF-38 1/2 dr. ratchet
256 Pliers
LA 238 Pliers
4780 1/4 dr. speeder
1135 DBE 11/16 x 3/4
1222 combo 11/16
1220 combo 5/8
1426 body hammer
P&C:
2118 short DBE 1/2 x 9/16
2222 DBE 5-8 x 11-16
"P&C TOOL CO. MILWAUKIE, OREGON" short DBE 1/2 x 9/16 (no numbers)
6211 1/2 dr. ratchet
Plomb Pebble:
3041 DOE 7/8 x 1-1/16
3045 DOE 15/16 x 1
3035 DOE 11/16 x 3/4
3031 DOE 5/8 x 3/4
1226 combo 13/16 (2)
1224 combo 3/4
1126 DBE 1/2 x 9/16
5265 3/8 dr. hinge handle
Non-pebble:
WF-20 3/8 dr. hinge handle
1730 Starter DBE 9/16 x 5/8
5 7/16 chisel
5461 1/2 dr. extension
5260 3/8 dr. extensions (2)
Sockets:
P&C 3/8 dr. 9/16
Plomb:
4712 1/4 dr. 3/8
3/8 dr.---
5012 deep 3/8
WF-28 7/16
5216 1/2
5274 flex 7/16
5276 flex 9/16
5277 flex 5/8
1/2 dr. ---
4520 stud remover
5347 deep 13/16 (2)
5414 7/16 (2)
5416 1/2 (3)
5418 9/16 (2)
5420 5/8 (2)
5421 21/32
5422 11/16
5424 3/4 (2)
5426 13/16
5428 7/8
5430 15/16
5432 1 (3)
5436 1-1/8
5438 1-3/16
There is a matched set from 7/16 to 1-3/16, less the 1-1/16 that was obviously made at the same time. All markings and finish are the same.
I think the #238 pliers are interesting. They were made before the "Name Knurl" era, and the "rope" knurls are both interesting and beautiful. Probably made in the late '30's.
The one shorty P&C DBE is interesting. No part number.'
The body hammer is not marked LA or USA.
They may yet find more stuff in this mess, so there may be a follow-up in a few months!