#3 Stubby Phillips with a full size handle - Anyone make one?

[gj67stang]

Yeah, it's looking a bit grim for a fixed driver unless I do this. Do you think a 5/16 hex pressed in would hold, or should I make it more aggressively bite? I have that Stanley drive handle, and it had a round shank with "wings" on it.

I've done precisely one "custom driver handle " that I can recall, and that was replacing the handle on a dual end bezel tool that crystallized and shattered. Low torque and an easy fix. This won't be low torque at all.

Thanks for the suggestions guys, keep em coming if you have one. It's not over till the fat lady sings...

A 5/16" hex pressed into a handle might work - it all depends on how tight the screws are and how hard you can twist the handle! It would help if you were to use a 5/16" wrench on the hex shaft to provide some extra torque.

 

[Spudland_Dave]

I hate Phillips screws with a burning fire of hate, especially larger ones, and come to think of it, even small ones ...I would have swapped out each & every screw on your Samurai with an equivalent socket head cap screw by now.. then all you need is:

and if you really want a hand-driver...just cut down a T-Handle

 

[kball]

Huh...does that Stubby have a full size handle?

Depends on how big your hands are...

 

[Outlawmws]

I just got this little ratcheting stubby. Pretty nice. And a number 3 bit fits in it perfectly.

Huh...does that Stubby have a full size handle?

Yeah, not what I'm looking for. Man, I busted the tip off a SO #3 on these screws!

 

[Outlawmws]

Dave I also have converted a LOT of fasteners to hex, and even went all out once or twice with SS. Not happening this time.

 

[Outlawmws]

A 5/16" hex pressed into a handle might work - it all depends on how tight the screws are and how hard you can twist the handle! It would help if you were to use a 5/16" wrench on the hex shaft to provide some extra torque.

Thanks for the response, and yes, I plan on including a 5/16 wrench for just that purpose, but I often don't think about that in the event...

 

[DHCrocks]

N8N, you can't believe everything you see posted on the internet:

These screws ARE Phillips. The difference between the two is that the tip is flat on JIS and the inside corner on JIS drivers is pretty much a sharp right angle while Philips has effectively a radius, (two angles approximate it)


The tip angles are the same between JIS and Phillips:

And the Phillips inside "radius" vs, the sharp angle of JIS:

And here are the screws in question:

Believe me, after all these years of wrenching on Zuks, if they had been JIS, I'd have the JIS drivers...

JIS drivers WILL work on Phillips, but clearly the reverse is not true.

Anyone tried grinding off the tip of a phillips to make a JIS? I just replaced all my screwdrivers with PB Swiss so I got a few old Craftsman Pro and Snap-on laying around, I was going to order a couple of JIS but if I can simply take a roloc disk to a an old phillips that would be a free alternative.

 

[Outlawmws]

No, it wont. Look at the second and third pics you quoted...

 

[toolmutt]

Maybe I'm missing something here. I understand the concern for slippage if you use a hex shaft inserted into the handle. But if you remove a long blade and replace it with a similar stubby blade with the same "tangs", "ears", or whatever they're called, won't the resulting driver be as strong or at least close to what the original driver was?

 

[Outlawmws]

Hmm, No you aren't, but apparently I'm missing something! I hadn't thought about stripping the shank out of a stubby short handle driver... That's a decent option. Any of these beside SO have a hex on the shank like my full sized SO? (Time for research...)

 

[gj67stang]

I think the issue with simply swapping a stubby P3 shaft into a handle is the fact that stubby P3 screwdrivers don't exist.

 

[livinloud11]

Curious to see what solution comes of this

 

[toolmutt]

Wera makes one. I don't know who else might.

http://www-us.wera.de/product_detail_us.html?L=1&file=root_category_screwdrivers_flagdriver_and_stubby_series_stubby_ph&lang=en-US

 

[gj67stang]

I think the issue with simply swapping a stubby P3 shaft into a handle is the fact that stubby P3 screwdrivers don't exist.

Wera makes one. I don't know who else might.

http://www-us.wera.de/product_detail_us.html?L=1&file=root_category_screwdrivers_flagdriver_and_stubby_series_stubby_ph&lang=en-US

Please retract my earlier statement!

 

[toolmutt]

Reviving an old thread.

Outlaw, did you ever find a solution? KCTools happened to put the Wera #3 stubbies on a Daily Deal so I grabbed a couple. I swapped them out with a couple of extra handles that I had from another project. The tangs were different so I had to drill the slots out just a bit wider but here are the finished products.

 

[shockwave]

Try wiha

 

[Outlawmws]

Wish I'd seen the DD on those. No, I've been sidetracked quite a bit between work and other stuff. Haven't forgotten this though.

 

[kctyphoon]

heres a possible solution.. milwaukee makes both a full size and stubby ratcheting multi screw driver. you can buy both and just use the short bits on the long handle.. these are both models:

 

[kctyphoon]

and this is what you can get:



i have to mention, the fitment of the bits inside the driver is extremely good considering its magnetic.. its impossible to shake any of the bits out, and there is very little play to be noticed. an added bonus is that both the long and short driver bits can be used with anything that uses a 1/4" hex drive, including impact drivers and drills.

 

[Outlawmws]

Try wiha

They don't have it, But what they need is:

This shank (with the hex) about 1/1/2" long: that cap and handle length or even a hand and a half handle:

And this hole in the handle, intersecting the driver cap, all with a #3 Philips tip...

 

[Outlawmws]

and this is what you can get:



i have to mention, the fitment of the bits inside the driver is extremely good considering its magnetic.. its impossible to shake any of the bits out, and there is very little play to be noticed. an added bonus is that both the long and short driver bits can be used with anything that uses a 1/4" hex drive, including impact drivers and drills.

In #3? Rare to see #3 bits in 1/4" hex...

 

[shockwave]

Wera makes stubby ph03 screwdrivers

 

[kctyphoon]

In #3? Rare to see #3 bits in 1/4" hex...

no, my mistake.. #1 and #2 only.. but no reason you couldnt find a #3 in 1/4" hex and use it with these handles, since they accept the standard quick change bits if you can find them.

edit: #3 milwaukee shockwave bits
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/accessories/fastening/48-32-4463

 

[kctyphoon]

or the short 1/4" hex -

 

[kctyphoon]

close up of how much of the bit protrudes..



actually pretty versatile, knowing you can use this with basically any bit you can find.. glad you created the thread, i wouldnt have tried this otherwise..

i just bought both of these Milwaukee screwdrivers today.. i think they were about $15 each.. i actaully found the bigger one in a promo package that came with a free Milwaukee bottle opener too. HD sells the opener separately for like $8, so not too bad..

 

[Outlawmws]

Wera makes stubby ph03 screwdrivers

You are not getting it: Stubby with a full sized handle.

 

[BFHtime]

I did not read the whole thread, it is late and I am tired, end of disclaimer.

How about trying a 3/8 drive number 3 socket and a roto ratchet this will give you the breakaway torque and speed. Plus it is interchangeable, with other sockets, which would be good for a roadside kit. Good luck.

 

[Outlawmws]

I did not read the whole thread, it is late and I am tired, end of disclaimer.

How about trying a 3/8 drive number 3 socket and a roto ratchet this will give you the breakaway torque and speed. Plus it is interchangeable, with other sockets, which would be good for a roadside kit. Good luck.

Sort of like pic #1 on post #1?

 

[BFHtime]

Sort of. They are both tools.