M-technik-3
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ENVIOUS....want to come assembly that at my place? Just Kidding. Very nice structure.
Above 1200 Sq/FT 32x40 barn-style garage build
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
Enjoying your build -- my 24 x 32 was built earlier this year.. same style.
Thread here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56892&page=2
Very nice. I am definitely a fan of the gambrel roof. So much usable space upstairs that way.
Just some small updates over the last couple weeks, nothing too exciting. I ran the vent stack up from the bathroom (downstairs) through the roof so I will be ready to add insulation.
No major drama, but one of my vertical runs slipped slightly after I measured it up. It still mated up with the horizontal run, but I lost my 1/4" per foot slope (it's now more like 1/8" per foot). Hopefully the inspector won't be too picky. If he can live with it, I can. I also put in the exhaust vent and ran the duct for that.
I decided to add some more outside lights. As much as I want to be done pulling wires, I figure this is the best time to add circuits, so I added some recessed lights in the soffits and a 400W high pressure sodium wall pack over the overhead doors (recommended here (thanks!)).
The HPS will be great for the rare occasion I need that much light out front. It kind of drowns out the can lights in the pic, but they add nice accent. I'm glad I took the time to put them in.
My neighbor also dropped off a ton of fiberglass insulation in various sizes. It won't be as easy as correctly-sized batts or rolls, but for free, I'll manage. He drives big rigs for a mobile home manufacturer and they have lots of left-over pieces he can take for free. He very kindly offered to get me all I need. The money I'll save will probably pay for my lift, so I definitely owe him one!
No major drama, but one of my vertical runs slipped slightly after I measured it up. It still mated up with the horizontal run, but I lost my 1/4" per foot slope (it's now more like 1/8" per foot). Hopefully the inspector won't be too picky. If he can live with it, I can. I also put in the exhaust vent and ran the duct for that.
I decided to add some more outside lights. As much as I want to be done pulling wires, I figure this is the best time to add circuits, so I added some recessed lights in the soffits and a 400W high pressure sodium wall pack over the overhead doors (recommended here (thanks!)).
The HPS will be great for the rare occasion I need that much light out front. It kind of drowns out the can lights in the pic, but they add nice accent. I'm glad I took the time to put them in.
My neighbor also dropped off a ton of fiberglass insulation in various sizes. It won't be as easy as correctly-sized batts or rolls, but for free, I'll manage. He drives big rigs for a mobile home manufacturer and they have lots of left-over pieces he can take for free. He very kindly offered to get me all I need. The money I'll save will probably pay for my lift, so I definitely owe him one!
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Great build, it's coming along nicely. You'll have a great time this winter finishing the inside up.
NWOhioChevyGuy
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Great build, I would love to have one of those on my property with my 1880's farm house. You have me rethinking my plan of building a pole building.
I would want to figure out how to do it without the posts, did you have that looked at while doing the design?
just subscribed to keep an eye on your build.
I would want to figure out how to do it without the posts, did you have that looked at while doing the design?
just subscribed to keep an eye on your build.
ChevetteRacer92
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Very nice! Im planning on building a single level 32 x 40 and love seeing one of the exact dimensions. This will be the perfect size! Anxious to see more of the garage part when finished!
I did, but according to the architect (and double checked by the lumber supply house), it would have required 30" TJI's, which are expensive and a bit of a waste of vertical space, so I compromised and went with the posts and 14" TJI's. I think it also could have been done with gambrel trusses:
But that would have only provided a 16' wide room upstairs (and no usable space outside that since there would be webbing there). Since living space was part of our requirement, I went with the more open upstairs (~19' wide and usable space under the steeper part of the roof). Even this was not as good as the truss design at barnplans.com:
But I couldn't find anyone to stamp those plans. While not ideal for sure, the downstairs posts will be a useful spot for outlets, fire extinguishers, etc.
I'm anxious to provide them! While I really like doing all the build work, I am most looking forward to finishing/organizing/working in the garage. I have to keep telling myself not to rush and to make sure I do everything the way I want it. E.g. much easier to place that outlet now than after the drywall is up.
NWOhioChevyGuy
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Thanks for the quick reply, I have several build projects in the planning stages and want to make the right decisions at this time not after.
Since my upstairs space would be for an office and some storage, the 16' wide space would be perfect with the trusses you have pictured. This also lends itself more to a DIY build. (I have to clarify that the Father in Law is a licenced contractor) But any project I do for a shop will have to be done on a budget that gets the wife approvel. Saving labor by DIY and using some "free" labor will go along ways to make this happen in my lifetime.
Since my upstairs space would be for an office and some storage, the 16' wide space would be perfect with the trusses you have pictured. This also lends itself more to a DIY build. (I have to clarify that the Father in Law is a licenced contractor) But any project I do for a shop will have to be done on a budget that gets the wife approvel. Saving labor by DIY and using some "free" labor will go along ways to make this happen in my lifetime.
cobraman
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Impressive Build JBS. Very well thought out.
Rik
Rik
royalton10
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JBS WOW!!
What a great looking barn! We have friends that run a B&B in Warrensburg, NY. Beautiful country. Your barn is fantastic. I bet you like the light in your top peak out front. Well thought out build and fits great into what is already there.
Doug in central Ohio
What a great looking barn! We have friends that run a B&B in Warrensburg, NY. Beautiful country. Your barn is fantastic. I bet you like the light in your top peak out front. Well thought out build and fits great into what is already there.
Doug in central Ohio
Thanks for all the kind words. I passed the rough-in inspection this morning. I was a little nervous I would get extra scrutiny as a homeowner, but the inspector was very cool. We talked longer about camping and hiking than he spent walking through looking things over. I have been very diligent in keeping things up to code and going the extra mile (neatness, nail plates in the garage even though they aren't required, etc), but I was worried they'd find something I screwed up that would be difficult or time-consuming to fix. No such problems. On to the insulation...
Speaking of heat (or keeping it in, i.e. insulation), has anyone considered using halogen lights for heat? When I was at Home Depot, I saw that they have 500W halogen work lights for $5. Since most of the energy consumed ends up as heat, I could get ~10kW of heat for $100. That is MUCH cheaper than any electric heater I've seen. And I'd have the side benefit of lots of light. Of course I'd have to mount 20 lights and probably replace the bulbs pretty often, and they're probably horrible quality...
Speaking of heat (or keeping it in, i.e. insulation), has anyone considered using halogen lights for heat? When I was at Home Depot, I saw that they have 500W halogen work lights for $5. Since most of the energy consumed ends up as heat, I could get ~10kW of heat for $100. That is MUCH cheaper than any electric heater I've seen. And I'd have the side benefit of lots of light. Of course I'd have to mount 20 lights and probably replace the bulbs pretty often, and they're probably horrible quality...
The plans are my own. I stole most of my ideas from this site and barnplans.com. I was going to use the plans from barnplans.com, but I could not find an architect by me to stamp them for NY state (I'm sure someone could do it, but he wasn't familiar with the truss design and didn't seem interested in the leg work to verify it). So instead I just told him very specifically what I wanted and he did the load calcs and drawings.
If I may be so bold as to suggest different dimensions, I think the look for this type of barn is best at about 3:2 length:width. I went with 32x40 b/c the budget wouldn't allow 32x48 (although I think it would have looked better), and 28x40 would have been too narrow. However, a more square design is generally more usable inside, so it's always a compromise.
Based on other threads, I have decided to give a threshold a try to help keep the water out. I will also add some 1/4" cuts to help drain away any water that pools in front of the threshold.
In other news, insulation work continues, slowly but surely.
In other news, insulation work continues, slowly but surely.
LegacyIndustrial
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No fair. I want one!!
I haven't posted any updates recently, because most of the progress has been pretty boring. It has been cold and snowy.
We have just about finished the insulation.
Upstairs I have R30 fiberglass between the rafters and am almost finished covering that with 2" thick rigid foam. Vapor barrier is also mostly done.
I also put up the drywall on the ceilings in the two small rooms upstairs and finished the blown-in cellulose above those.
I hope to get everything measured up and get the drywall ordered this week. In the meantime, I am tackling the bathroom. The plumbing is roughed in (PEX). I ordered a shower enclosure (like this, but 32" in acrylic). I also ordered the toilet (Toto Drake). I have this for the bathroom and entrance way floor. As soon as we get some tile picked out, I'll get started on all that. More pics soon.
We have just about finished the insulation.
Upstairs I have R30 fiberglass between the rafters and am almost finished covering that with 2" thick rigid foam. Vapor barrier is also mostly done.
I also put up the drywall on the ceilings in the two small rooms upstairs and finished the blown-in cellulose above those.
I hope to get everything measured up and get the drywall ordered this week. In the meantime, I am tackling the bathroom. The plumbing is roughed in (PEX). I ordered a shower enclosure (like this, but 32" in acrylic). I also ordered the toilet (Toto Drake). I have this for the bathroom and entrance way floor. As soon as we get some tile picked out, I'll get started on all that. More pics soon.
Here are a couple shots of the bathroom plumbing. I will tile at least up to where the concrete backer board is installed. I have not decided if I will put drywall above that and paint or finish out with CBU and tile the whole thing.
The shower enclosure will go in the back corner (most visible in pic). The toilet will go to the left and sink to the right. It won't be luxurious (6'x6'), but every square foot of bathroom is one less square foot of shop space!
The wet wall between the bathroom and under the stairs will not be insulated. This will let me keep those two areas heated separately from the rest of the garage in case I don't want to heat the whole space to keep the pipes above freezing. I am guessing that the 30 gallon electric water heater will be enough to keep that small space above freezing, but will have the electric hydronic baseboard heat in the bathroom that I can keep at 50 in the winter. I can also drain the pipes easily from the house when needed.
Here is a shot of the rigid foam on the ceiling upstairs. I started with the 2x4 EPS (Foamular) panels because they fit in my truck more easily and I thought the tongue and groove edges would seal better. However they are terribly crooked and the gaps were 1/2"+. So I switched to the 4x8 isocyanurate rigid foam which is much more dimensionally true and has a higher R-value. Just had to borrow my neighbor's truck to get them.
I am very happy with the foam. It seems to make a huge difference. Fiberglass insulation really is pretty poor, especially where there is air flow (soffit-ridge vented roof). It will be a little harder to finish the ceiling. I would like to do tongue-and-groove pine, but I think I'll have to do furring strips for that. Not a big deal, but I don't want to lose much more ceiling height. Drywall could probably be installed right over the foam with 3-1/2" drywall screws given the relatively high compressive strength of the foam.
The shower enclosure will go in the back corner (most visible in pic). The toilet will go to the left and sink to the right. It won't be luxurious (6'x6'), but every square foot of bathroom is one less square foot of shop space!
The wet wall between the bathroom and under the stairs will not be insulated. This will let me keep those two areas heated separately from the rest of the garage in case I don't want to heat the whole space to keep the pipes above freezing. I am guessing that the 30 gallon electric water heater will be enough to keep that small space above freezing, but will have the electric hydronic baseboard heat in the bathroom that I can keep at 50 in the winter. I can also drain the pipes easily from the house when needed.
Here is a shot of the rigid foam on the ceiling upstairs. I started with the 2x4 EPS (Foamular) panels because they fit in my truck more easily and I thought the tongue and groove edges would seal better. However they are terribly crooked and the gaps were 1/2"+. So I switched to the 4x8 isocyanurate rigid foam which is much more dimensionally true and has a higher R-value. Just had to borrow my neighbor's truck to get them.
I am very happy with the foam. It seems to make a huge difference. Fiberglass insulation really is pretty poor, especially where there is air flow (soffit-ridge vented roof). It will be a little harder to finish the ceiling. I would like to do tongue-and-groove pine, but I think I'll have to do furring strips for that. Not a big deal, but I don't want to lose much more ceiling height. Drywall could probably be installed right over the foam with 3-1/2" drywall screws given the relatively high compressive strength of the foam.
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It's been a while since any updates, but I have been making some progress. The tile in the entrance and bathroom is all in. I used Thermosoft electric radiant under the floor.
http://www.thermosoft.com/images-home/thumbs/ThermoTile-240V-Mats.jpg
The bathroom is almost finished. All fixtures are in, plumbing is done. Just need to finish grouting, tape/mud, and paint (and put a door in I guess).
I also got a Challenger E-10 lift. It might have been nice to finish the drywall first, but I was tired of laying on my back and I have some major maint on both cars coming up.
All the drywall is delivered and I have started putting it up upstairs. More pics/updates soon...
http://www.thermosoft.com/images-home/thumbs/ThermoTile-240V-Mats.jpg
The bathroom is almost finished. All fixtures are in, plumbing is done. Just need to finish grouting, tape/mud, and paint (and put a door in I guess).
I also got a Challenger E-10 lift. It might have been nice to finish the drywall first, but I was tired of laying on my back and I have some major maint on both cars coming up.
All the drywall is delivered and I have started putting it up upstairs. More pics/updates soon...
Mikie
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Very nice! We need some updates on this build, it must be near completion
Mollard
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This is awesome.
Thanks. Ha! I wish, but unfortunately, I have gotten little done in the past few weeks. I hope to get most if not all of the remaining upstairs drywall hung this weekend. I'll get some pics. The space is really taking shape better with the drywall in. I'm hoping it won't take too long to hang the downstairs drywall, but I am not looking forward to taping!
In other news, the first Liftmaster 3800 arrived today, so I'll hopefully get that installed as well.
AussieDan
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Great build! Nice 4Runner too 
Half-Fast Motors
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Thanks for the links & the tour. Really fits in with the area nicely.
LegacyIndustrial
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This design is classic.
Great job!!
Great job!!
browndog1000
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Awesome build, makes me a little homesick! They don't build them like that out west!
I'm right outside of Saratoga Springs
Thanks! Yeah, but you have real mountains out there.
DonB
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Hi, I'm new to GJ, joined about a month ago. For ten months I've had the very same plans JBS referenced earlier, those from www.barnplans.com It took a while but with the help of JBS (Thank you JBS!!!) I found a local architect willing to work with Barn Plans to certify and stamp the plans. Then it was off to the the town building inspector for review and issuing the building permit. I got the permit two weeks ago. Hooray!!! The primary issue was the old timey barn trusses. They don't fit a modern computerized profile so nobody wanted to certify them. Not even a company that does nothing but build trusses. Having stamped plans wasn't enough for the town though. The kicker was that since a certified truss builder was not going to build them, I am, the architect will have to do a site inspection of the first truss to make sure it is to spec. That means the architect had to be fairly local. Yup, another town requirement. Once the first truss assembly is inspected I can build the rest of them without any further interuption. The beauty of these trusses is they allow a completely open floor plan with very minimal space lost behind a knee wall.
I hired a concrete crew to excavate, install rod, and pour the 32x40 concrete floor during the short week after the 4th of July weekend. If anyone is interested I'll start a build thread.
Don
I hired a concrete crew to excavate, install rod, and pour the 32x40 concrete floor during the short week after the 4th of July weekend. If anyone is interested I'll start a build thread.
Don
787B
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Congratulations, Don! Yes, you should start a build thread! Guarantee you'll get plenty of opinions out of this bunch.
Mostly positive ones!
Mostly positive ones!
Congrats on getting the permit. Absolutely do a build thread. I am definitely interested in seeing how the barnsplans.com build goes. That fully open upstairs will be great!
UncleJoe
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If you don't mind saying, I thinks some budget information would be very educational for me and others.
I really like everything I have seen so far and more important my wife loves it. She wants me to have a nice shop when whe build our retirement home next year and the first question she had upon seeing yours was; Can we have a shop like that? then she asked how much/
I really like everything I have seen so far and more important my wife loves it. She wants me to have a nice shop when whe build our retirement home next year and the first question she had upon seeing yours was; Can we have a shop like that? then she asked how much/
AndrewBigA
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freeking awsome garage man! love the build!
I haven't checked out the build thread for a while but it's coming along nicely.
Are you able to get the drywall lift around the lift downstairs or will the drywall have to be man handled ?
What was the out come of the concrete around the garage doors ?
Are you able to get the drywall lift around the lift downstairs or will the drywall have to be man handled ?
What was the out come of the concrete around the garage doors ?
I think I may have mentioned, but the original budget was $75k. We should come in a bit over that, but to be honest I am not keeping close track of everything I am spending on the work I do. I definitely noticed those checks to the contractor to get the foundation/exterior framing/roof! Since I have been doing all the other work myself, the pace has been pretty slow and the big costs have been pretty few and far between.
Awesome job! That will be a great place to hang out definately. Love to see this completed, keep us updated.
Very neat 4 Runner btw.
Thanks for all the kind words!
I haven't drywalled downstairs yet, but I think the lift will work OK. I have some scaffolding so I can lift with the drywall lift and stand on the scaffolding and slide drywall over into place... I think
I haven't forgot about updates, it's just been pretty slow lately. I am lousy at drywall, so it takes a long time and doesn't make for dramatic changes in the progress of the build. But I'll get some more pics up soon...
