36'x48'x17' Pole Barn - Floor plan ideas

[tomralph]

I need a sanity check... been looking at the floor plan for months and I want to make sure I have the right size, and that I didn't over look anything critical.

I went with a 17' tall ceiling for an RV in the future with a 14' overhead door. It was 16' but I decided the extra 1' would allow my to put a second story in the back on top of the Woodwork shop and extend it cantilevered over some of the shop space. The taller ceiling is only needed on 1 side of the workshop, not both.

Going to pour a 4" thick frost protected slab with radiant piping in the floor.

Running NG to the workshop will be a chore, it is on the opposite side of the lot form where the NG enters and where the meter is. Can I do the radiant flooring with electric? Possibly offsetting the cost with solar on the roof since 1 side is a southern facing slope in Colorado (lots of sun).

I can't increase the size without a lot of pain, though I am already feeling that it should be larger, I haven't drawn any of the second floor yet. Maybe that will help cure the 'I want larger' bug.

 

[plow]

Is a 4" slab going to be thick enough?

 

[tomralph]

Is a 4" slab going to be thick enough?

I am told it would be... 4000 psi with fiber + 6"x6" wire mesh. I don't have anything 'heavy' yet, reading here it looks like 4" should hold a 2 post lift

 

[OutlawDrifter]

I am told it would be... 4000 psi with fiber + 6"x6" wire mesh. I don't have anything 'heavy' yet, reading here it looks like 4" should hold a 2 post lift

i would decide which lift you are interested in and read through the manual to see what the minimum recommended depth and psi rating the concrete needs to be. 2 posters require more than a 4 poster. you're probably looking in the 5"+ range at a minimum. i personally would not stand under a 2 post mounted in 4" concrete.

 

[astroracer]

Most 9 to 10 K two post lifts require 3 to 4K PSI concrete at a 4" minimum thickness. I 've been standing and working under mine on 4" concrete for 6 years, no worries.
4K with fiber and mesh is overkill for a 2 post lift.
Mark

 

[astroracer]

Just for shits and giggles I copied this from BendPaks site.
Depending on the lift, they don't start recommending 5" of concrete until you get upwards of 35K on some of them. others go up to 8" but that's more then most of us need to lift.


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4-POST LIFTS

DESCRIPTION

MIN. CONCRETE SPECS


HD-9ST-B

9,000-lb. Capacity / Four Post Lift / Narrow Width

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-9-B

9,000-lb. Capacity / Four Post Lift / Standard Width

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-9STX-B

9,000-lb. Capacity / Four Post Lift / Narrow Width

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-9XW-B

9,000-lb. Capacity / Four Post Lift / Standard Width

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14SS

14,000-lb. Capacity / Space Saver

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14

14,000-lb. Capacity / Extended

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14X

14,000-lb. Capacity / Extended / Limo Style

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14STL

14,000-lb. Capacity Tall Lift / Space Saver / 82" Rise

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14ETL

14,000-lb. Capacity Tall Lift / Extended / 82" Rise

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-18

18,000-lb. Capacity / Standard

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-27

27,000-lb. Capacity / Standard

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-27X

27,000-lb. Capacity / Extended

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-35

35,000-lb. Capacity / Standard

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-35X

35,000-lb. Capacity / Extended

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-40

40,000-lb. Capacity / Standard

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-40X

40,000-lb. Capacity / Extended

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14LS

14,000-lb. Capacity / Alignment

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14LSX

14,000-lb. Capacity / Alignment / Extended

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-14LSXE

14,000-lb. Capacity / Alignment / Limo Extended

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HDO-14LSX

14,000-lb. Capacity / Alignment / Extended / Open Front

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-18A

18,000-lb. Capacity / Alignment

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-27A

27,000-lb. Capacity / Standard / Alignment

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-27XA

27,000-lb. Capacity / Extended / Alignment

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-35A

35,000-lb. Capacity / Alignment

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


HD-35XA

35,000-lb. Capacity / Extended / Alignment

5" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


XR-12AE

12,000-lb. Capacity / Scissors Alignment

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


2-POST LIFTS

DESCRIPTION

MIN. CONCRETE SPECS


XPR-9F

9,000-lb. Capacity / Floorplate / Chain-Over / Narrow

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-9FX

9,000-lb. Capacity / Floorplate / Chain-Over / Wide

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-9FD

9,000-lb. Capacity / Floorplate / Direct-Drive / Narrow

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-9FDX

9,000-lb. Capacity / Floorplate / Direct-Drive / Wide

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-12FD

12,000-lb. Capacity / Floorplate / Direct-Drive

6" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-10C

10,000-lb. Capacity / Clearfloor / Narrow

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-10CX

10,000-lb. Capacity / Clearfloor / Wide

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-10AC

10,000-lb. Capacity / Asymmetric Clearfloor / Narrow

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-10ACX

10,000-lb. Capacity / Asymmetric Clearfloor / Wide

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-12C

12,000-lb. Capacity / Clearfloor / Triple-Telescope Arms

6" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-15C

15,000-lb. Capacity / Clearfloor / Standard Arms

6" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


XPR-18C

18,000-lb. Capacity / Clearfloor / Standard Arms

8" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


SCISSOR LIFTS

DESCRIPTION

MIN. CONCRETE SPECS


XR-12AE

12,000-lb. Capacity / Scissors / Alignment / Extended

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


SP-7X

7,000-lb. Capacity / Scissors / Full-Rise Platform Style

4" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


SPECIALTY LIFTS

DESCRIPTION

MIN. CONCRETE SPECS


PL-6SP / PL-6000

6,000-lb. Capacity Single Post Parking Lift / Deck

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


PL-6SPX / PL-6000X

6,000-lb. Capacity Single Post Parking Lift / Deck / Extended Rise

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


PL-7 / PL-7000

7,000-lb. Capacity / Two-Post Parking Lift / Deck / Standard Rise

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


PL-7X / PL-7000X

7,000-lb. Capacity / Two-Post Parking Lift / Deck / Extended Rise

4" Min. Thickness / 3,000 psi


LR-60 / LR-6000

6,000-lb. Capacity / Low-Rise Lift

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


LR-60P / LR-6000P

6,000-lb. Capacity / Low-Rise Lift / Portable

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


MD-6XP

6,000-lb. Capacity / Mid-Rise / Frame Lift / Portable

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


P-6 / P-6000

6,000-lb. Capacity / Low-Rise Lift / Pit-Style

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi


P-6F/ P-6000F

6,000-lb. Capacity / Low-Rise Lift / Pit-Style / Flush Mount

3-1/2" Min. Thickness / 2,500 psi

 

[tomralph]

Looks like the life needs 4" @ 3000 PSI for a 10k lift, going to a 12k lift it wants 6" @ 3000 PSI.

I will probably dig out where the lift if going to land to be 6" deep and just 4" for the rest of the floor.

 

[larry_g]

I'm goingto ramble here a bit but hopefully make some sense.

I assume that the enclosed shop within is a wood shop? To get materials in and out you will be maneuvering around the lift, pain in the *** to me.

I assume the tractor has a loader, think about using it to load materials into the shop and the lift is more in the way. can you move the enclosed shop to the front of the building to have direct access outside?

Are you having a storage floor on top of the shop? Think about access to it with the loader. The storage on top could replace a section or two of pallet rack giving you more floor space.

You have a OH door in front of the tractor. Is this for getting the tractor in and out? Do you have access to maneuver if the house is right there? you show 8'...

The pallet rack is blocking part of the 8' door opening. Think of any swing of something coming through the door. If you do bring the tractor through that door your going to tight without angling the tractor. Maybe swap the positions of the 8' door and the man door next to it. or move them both to the right 2-3'.

Add the lift arms onto the squares representing the lift poles, they do take up room your not accounting for. Add thickness to your interior walls and mark out swing room for the doors as that is also floor space you cannot use.

You can also look at my build below as it is 36x48 also

lg
no neat sig line

 

[tomralph]

I'm goingto ramble here a bit but hopefully make some sense.

I assume that the enclosed shop within is a wood shop? To get materials in and out you will be maneuvering around the lift, pain in the *** to me.

I assume the tractor has a loader, think about using it to load materials into the shop and the lift is more in the way. can you move the enclosed shop to the front of the building to have direct access outside?

Are you having a storage floor on top of the shop? Think about access to it with the loader. The storage on top could replace a section or two of pallet rack giving you more floor space.

You have a OH door in front of the tractor. Is this for getting the tractor in and out? Do you have access to maneuver if the house is right there? you show 8'...

The pallet rack is blocking part of the 8' door opening. Think of any swing of something coming through the door. If you do bring the tractor through that door your going to tight without angling the tractor. Maybe swap the positions of the 8' door and the man door next to it. or move them both to the right 2-3'.

Add the lift arms onto the squares representing the lift poles, they do take up room your not accounting for. Add thickness to your interior walls and mark out swing room for the doors as that is also floor space you cannot use.

You can also look at my build below as it is 36x48 also

lg
no neat sig line

Thank you for the response! It made sense to me!

The house is about 50' away, the 8' cement pad is just a landing pad outside the door. The pallet rack is close to the doors, as you said probably too close.

The lift being in the middle brings up a VERY good point about having to maneuver around it to get stock/material to the wood shop. HMM.

Thank you again! I will update the drawing and post sometime soon, I have been using SketchUp to 3D model it and see just how things are in the work shop.

 

[astroracer]

Yup, like Larry said, add the thickness of the walls into your drawing. You will lose about a foot of interior space when you do that. Your 36' building turns into 35' on the inside.
Also, try to keep ALL of your overhead doors at least 4' off the interior walls. Reason being, if you look at the clearance you have in your drawing from the wall to the trailer, you have 2 .5'. That will actually be 2' when you add the wall thickness. You will have a difficult time walking down that side of the shop, let alone the stuff you will NOT be able to store there because there is no room. This is unuseable space and keeping the OH doors off the walls gains usable storage space and walking space that is otherwise lost.
I try to shoot for 6' off the inside walls. Room for benches, (pallet racking), working and opening car doors.
Mark

 

[astroracer]

I would also flip your layout. If the house is on the tractor side put all of your benches on that side of the shop as well as the work space. Put the pallet racking on the other side also to get it out of sight and out of the way. There is no sense having to walk past and through dead storage space to get to the working space.
Mark

And center the lift on that 10' door. AND... You don't need extra thickness under the lift bases. A 4" monolithic pour with mesh will be plenty strong for your 2 post. Don't "mentally" lock your lift into one spot. You may want to move it someday and you can put it anywhere you want this way.
Mark