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I have "messed around" with SketchUp and would consider myself an "advanced beginner". I need a lot more practice and I have not touched it in months !

Before going back to it, is there other/better FREE CAD software that I should learn ? I have access to both Win7 and Win10, but a CAD package that runs on Linux as well would be considered a bonus.
 
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If you are associated with a college and possibly some high schools you can get free access to autocad. That said autocad is probably one of the least user friendly cad software in my opinion. It might be worth checking if some of the other professional cad providers have similar arrangements.
 

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I hear Onshape is good and it's free. Or Autodesk inventor and Solidworks do free educational licence if you have the contact.
 

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Took a CADD class at MSU. Used unigraphics 3D solid modeling, the Linux based version. Modeled a fishing reel, with all the parts assembled with my group. Realized I wasn't good enough at math for mechanical engineering.

I enjoyed the class at MSU so I took some mechanical CADD classes at the community college. Used 2D auto cad to make mechanical blue prints... then I lost interest in it and they dropped the program 1-2 years later.

Now I fix cars
 

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If a veteran or EAA member you can get solidworks for something like 40 bucks. Fusion is free for the hobbyist.

I used sketchup and autocad LT(2d) extensively at one time, and as with arcReactorKC had issues transitioning to fusion.. One cold rainy week two winters ago I just bit the bullet and spent nearly a full week of all my free time watching tutorials on youtube and drawing a complex 3 point blade as I watched them. It finally clicked.
 

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If you're serious about adding a 3D cad skillset to your toolbox, Fusion 360 in my opinion is your best option. There is a long learning curve, but once you've began to understand the software and can proficiently use it to your advantage, you'll have gained an extremely valuable skill. Here's some of my work from Fusion:

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If you're serious about adding a 3D cad skillset to your toolbox, Fusion 360 in my opinion is your best option. There is a long learning curve, but once you've began to understand the software and can proficiently use it to your advantage, you'll have gained an extremely valuable skill. Here's some of my work from Fusion:Holley High Ram Top 001.pngEverlast 325EXT 002.pngovk vise render.pngShop 005.png
Is Fusion 360 similar to Solidworks in that you extrude linework to create 3D shapes, or is it more like AutoCAD? Thanks.
 

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Is Fusion 360 similar to Solidworks in that you extrude linework to create 3D shapes, or is it more like AutoCAD? Thanks.
Fusion and Solidworks are extremely similar, to the point where all knowledge in one translates fairly well to the other, but with every little subtlety being slightly different so you end up stumbling as your muscle memory betrays you! Solidworks is better but Fusion is free...
 

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Rhino CAD has a 90 day free trial.
I have it at work, but I don't have the free time to dive in to the tutorials.
 

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I love Solidworks but I would never pay for it for home use. Even Autocad is cheap by comaprison. If Fusion is close, go for it.
 

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I agree solidworks is best, that's what we have at work.
I use OnShape free version at home.
Never have used fusion 360 but I've heard allot of good things about it and I do know at least 1 local school that uses it for classes.
 

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I came from a sketchup background like you, way back when it was a Google product. I switched to Fusion 360 and at first I was astonished at how much harder it was coming from sketchup. But, slowly, I realized the additional power/utility that comes with it and now I'm glad I made the time investment.
 

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Fusion 360 is probably what I would recommend too. I started using it when it first came out and they have slowly eroded features from the free version. It still has one of the best user interfaces and the timeline is also quite intuitive.
 
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What kind of computer power is needed for fusion 360? I used inventor and was very proficient years ago. I stepped away and when I came back to it, a major investment in a new computer was needed to run it. I’d love to learn a new drawing program.
 

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The deal they have kinda washes out vs being fantastic.

However Solidworks is now offering a "Maker" license for a really reasonable amount ($99).

Thats a heck of deal. I will have to look into it.

As far as free Fusion 360 would likely be the best thing to learn. After a while I would consider solidworks though (unless you just like doing artsy stuff or just want to stop at models).
 

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I think your choice of CAD package largely depends on what you intend to do with it. For 99% of hobby work, fusion 360 is probably your best bet. It is VERY powerful software for the money. A hobby license is free, and even the pro version is only a few hundred bucks a year. You can draw parts to laser cut, make models to 3D print or machine, and pretty much do whatever you want within reason. The free version's CAM is VERY limited, so you can't run a lot of machines or toolpaths off it, but it is still MILES better than sketchup.

I have Fusion 360 and Solidworks, and Solidworks is far and away better CAD. That said, it is not free, and has a very real price tag. I think the basic version is like, 4 grand, and then the maintenance is $1200/year. If there is an educational version or a "maker" version of solidworks available, I would HIGHLY recommend that route. Dassault Systems who publishes Solidworks has their **** together, and they are much more respected in the CAD industry than Autodesk. Fusion is online/cloud based, and that is a real hurdle sometimes. Solidworks is still local, and you can still purchase a perpetual license.

I got fusion mostly for the CAM, and it is something like $500 for the year. I probably won't renew it and will try to use the CAM built in to Solidworks.

Engineering CAD is a whole 'nother animal than Sketchup. Proper parametric modeling takes some practice to get the workflow down and if you are coming from a strictly AutoCAD background, it will take some serious mental shifting to make the switch. The biggest difference is AutoCAD is basically a computerized pencil, and you draw exactly what will be printed on the drawing. If you need to change things, you need to redraw them. Parametric modeling uses a system of constraints and relationships to define the model. You basically start with a rough shape/sketch and start adding "rules" to force the model to do what you want until it is fully defined in space. What this allows is for you to make changes to the model and the objects and relationships downstream will adjust to fit the new parameters. Once you have a model that is correct, you can then derive engineering drawings or CAM data from the model to make the parts. The drawings and dependent features will automatically adjust to the new parameters and update to the new design.

I also really like the way Solidworks does assemblies. In my mind, Solidworks models like I think as a fabricator and machinist. You draw a block to mimic your stock. You then perform operations like cuts and extrudes much like a mill or lathe would cut stock. Same with weldments, sheet metal or other things. You build the components in the computer like you do in real life. In the assembly mode, you literally take parts you drew in separate files and combine them like you would in the shop. Right down to the fasteners if you like.

Once you taste how nice real CAD is, the other stuff is just a joke.
 

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What kind of computer power is needed for fusion 360? I used inventor and was very proficient years ago. I stepped away and when I came back to it, a major investment in a new computer was needed to run it. I’d love to learn a new drawing program.
Depends. I make fairly complex models and had one of the last of the windows 7 pro computers made(special ordered it as I didn't want window 8). As my models got bigger and more complex I started having issues. If I did peck turning on a large complex part in the CAM side it will have issues as well.

I finally upgraded to an 11 gen I5 2.40 ghtz last year and it is much better. I however do not use the rendering and animation portion of the product. That part really taxes processors, and the more cores the better.
 

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Took a CADD class at MSU. Used unigraphics 3D solid modeling, the Linux based version. Modeled a fishing reel, with all the parts assembled with my group. Realized I wasn't good enough at math for mechanical engineering.

I enjoyed the class at MSU so I took some mechanical CADD classes at the community college. Used 2D auto cad to make mechanical blue prints... then I lost interest in it and they dropped the program 1-2 years later.

Now I fix cars
You're showing your age
 

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I'd go the hobby version of Fusion 360....it behaves a LOT different than their sister produce AutoCad...

Big reason....easy to create files for 3D printing
 

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I am looking at something like onshape or tinkercad to make very basic parts to 3d print. They are cloud based and it looks like there are various ways to learn how to use it. But I feel like maybe I should look at something more in case I want to do more in the future. How would someone typically learn how to use something like Fusion 360 if they have no cad experience?
 

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I've been using Solidworks since SW 97. The product is great but more and more I don't like the way they are squeezing their customers. Professionally it has always been a pain that they would release a new version every year. The new version couldn't save files that could be opened by older versions but the new version usually took 6 months to become stable. So for half the year either you or your vendors/customers were on the wrong version of the program.

The EAA deal was great. My current personal seat is via EAA. However, the new deal isn't as nice. First, it costs $100. Second, 3D Experience is more cloud based than the older program. It won't run without a web connection and your files are now stored only on the web. The added cost I could handle thought it gets to the point where it stings. However, I'm not OK with my files only living on the web. I'm also concerned that, from what I've read, the maker version doesn't let you export proper SW files to share with others. Anyway, some of the EAA guys are pissed about it.

I don't personally own a 3d printer (or even better, a laser cutter) but if I did I would probably just try to get one of my old copies of SW to run under Windows 10. Alternatively, I might try some of the other programs and just use my work computer for the few times I need to do something in SW (a bit of a pain since, security being what it is, I can't thumb drive to my work computer).

I will say I've always been interested in the answer to this question as for such a long time I've had access to SW thus I never bothered to find the good, low cost alternative.
 

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I am looking at something like onshape or tinkercad to make very basic parts to 3d print. They are cloud based and it looks like there are various ways to learn how to use it. But I feel like maybe I should look at something more in case I want to do more in the future. How would someone typically learn how to use something like Fusion 360 if they have no cad experience

Autodesk has a good tutorial for Fusion. Once you learn the basics it's typically easier YouTube the specific thing you want to do though.

As far as starting on something like tinkercad it will translate into Fusion probably with a shallower learning curve.
 

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You're showing your age

I'm only 36, not that old ;). Took the class at MSU in 04'/05' and the community college classes a few years later. I think I've got an .iso cd-rom image file for autocad2007 along with key gen or cracked file burned onto a cd... or it maybe it's on my external hdd

I could see the writing on the wall for the community college program, why have drafters when you can make the engineers do it and eliminate a position. The tool and die class was pretty cool, got to visit a plastic injection molding plant and one that did stamped steel parts/panels for automotive

found an old screen shot of some autocad
 

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I'm only 36, not that old ;). Took the class at MSU in 04'/05' and the community college classes a few years later. I think I've got an .iso cd-rom image file for autocad2007 along with key gen or cracked file burned onto a cd... or it maybe it's on my external hdd

I could see the writing on the wall for the community college program, why have drafters when you can make the engineers do it and eliminate a position. The tool and die class was pretty cool, got to visit a plastic injection molding plant and one that did stamped steel parts/panels for automotive

found an old screen shot of some autocad
So Unigraphics is still in use?

I thought SolidWorks and Catia were the big boys???
 

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Man most of the stuff you guys are talking about is greek to me, funny thing is I drew on Autocad for a living for 11 years before I retired in 2008. Doing HVAC drawings. Although I never did any 3d stuff they were all 2d drawings.
I started out on autocad 14 and we upgraded a few times and I was using autocad 2002 in 2008 when I retired.
2002 probably had a 3d menu but we never used it.
I still have the program, I opened it up a few months ago to change a dwg drawing I had and for the life of me I couldn't remember how to change the text.........it's a ***** getting old, I did figure it out.
 

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I have "messed around" with SketchUp and would consider myself an "advanced beginner". I need a lot more practice and I have not touched it in months !

Before going back to it, is there other/better FREE CAD software that I should learn ? I have access to both Win7 and Win10, but a CAD package that runs on Linux as well would be considered a bonus.
few screenshots showing different parts of FreeCAD
 

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When I was working in the auto industry, Unigraphics (now known as NX) was the king of the hill and I think it still is.

In Germany CATIA is still the king of the hill. Only german manufactuer I know of using NX is Daimler and that took them several years and was a few hundred million dollar investment.

My 2 cents for the topic:

I use and love/hate CATIA. The biggest plus CATIA V5 runs on pretty much every potato laptop (like mine :D)
 

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Somehow I don’t think CATIA is going to be what the OP ends up using.

Solidworks at least has hobby and student licenses, I have never heard of NX and CATIA doing that.
 

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As a 20+ year user of Creo/ProE, my opinion is that most of the big name packages, NX, Catia, Creo, Solidworks are merging feature-sets and are now very similar to use. I am a big fan of the parametric nature of Creo and others like it. I have not used Fusion360, but hear very good things about it. I have a seat of Autocad and i hate it for anything that isn't strictly 2d. I have used Sketchup and don't care for it. I know lots of people like it. If i had to buy a seat of something myself, i'd probably try a lot harder to like the free stuff. YMMV.
 
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