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Ahhh that makes sense then....lots to learn and lots to keep you busy! Unfortunately it means you probably have a different mild to significantly crappy parts lookup system to learn for each brand too?

Luckily for us that's between the techs and the parts department. The techs order their own parts directly from parts and they are delivered to them from an on site warehouse. We just bill them out as a part of the work order when the service is completed.
 
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And the plan has already changed.....

In both a beneficial and embarrassing event....I forgot I owned this saw

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It wasn't used often and was on the shelf above the garage door so out of sight, out of mind....oops!

So new plan(I think) will be to put a continuous shelf under the weld table and store both the welder and this saw on there

Until I change my mind again tomorrow
 
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Didn't know they made a battery powered chop saw. That'd be great for remote work though if you're remote welding you probably have a genny.

My corded chop saw has been gathering dust since I got my band saw.

Same thing happened at my place 🤷‍♂️

Ironically I remembered about it as I was browsing online for benchtop size bandsaws.....it was about to earn a trip to the trash can as it was miserably failing to cut this basic 45 in 1/8" wall...

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But I needed to go out for some grocery pickup so stopped at Menards and picked up a new cutoff disc and it's much improved



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Eventually I got the side rails put, cleaned up with a flap wheel and tacked on with the old fluxcore buzz box

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Stem casters arrive Wednesday and I need to cut the legs down for them so holding off till that is done to cut and fit the back piece as right now the left and right side legs are separate pairs. I could weld the side rails solid, but I'd like to do it on the new machine...so for now it's just tacked and pushed to the side then cleaned up.

I think I will be keeping my eye out for a benchtop sized metal cutting saw. Cut quality will be better, it's easier to clean up as it doesn't spray all over and most importantly the WAF(wife approval factor) is much better as it doesn't smell so bad when being used in an attached garage. The WAF isn't high enough to support me going and buying the $2k used Femi some dude nearby has on Facebook....but for most of what I'm doing a deep cut portable bandsaw and a Swag table or some similar setup would probably work.

In wood dust making project world....finished this mounting wall up this morning.

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Dramatic overkill to get a flat surface infront of the dust collection I can mount/hang stuff from but it's right next to the tablesaw so lots of things I could hang there....now I can see what actually gets hung there.
 

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And I'm just an idiot and did the time change math wrong...got 50 minutes till we leave....lots of time
When traveling to West Texas, it was a chore to keep up with the time zone. Guadalupe Mountain was either 2hrs or 1hr ahead of Pittsburgh time depending on where exactly we were. My phone would flip back and forth on me and I would think we were late to the next spot or don’t have enough time before it got dark to get to camp! We ended up sticking to my buddy’s watch and since he didn’t know how to change his watch time, he had problems with the daylight saving that weekend, so we either had to add 2 or 3hrs to get the correct time depending on where we were!!

By the time we got back on the plane to get home, he was so confused about what time it was and just said, “this is Pittsburgh time, I don’t care about here’s time!!!!” 🤣😂🤣
 

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Shelf looks like a great solution Logan. For those of you replacing chop saws or forgetting you have them, if you buy one of those cold-cut saws (toothed blade, not the abrasive style) you'll never forget about it. Its the best way to cut steel short of a laser/plasma/waterjet option. I grabbed an Evolution a year ago and it is awesome. My only issue is finding a good permanent home for it so its immediately available for use, as is the problem with most saws.
 
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Shelf looks like a great solution Logan. For those of you replacing chop saws or forgetting you have them, if you buy one of those cold-cut saws (toothed blade, not the abrasive style) you'll never forget about it. Its the best way to cut steel short of a laser/plasma/waterjet option. I grabbed an Evolution a year ago and it is awesome. My only issue is finding a good permanent home for it so its immediately available for use, as is the problem with most saws.
I've been wondering about an Evolution or similar....how's the noise level on them? Seen a lot...never used one.
 

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I've been wondering about an Evolution or similar....how's the noise level on them? Seen a lot...never used one.
They're known to be noisy, but in my opinion that's a BS statement. They cut so fast its only making noise for a second, and its no louder than circular saw ripping through wood. The other pluses would make up for any extra noise anyways: no sparks, no abrasive residue, no warped cuts, faster cuts, and these newer models have soft starts and shadow markers for your cut line.
 

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They're known to be noisy, but in my opinion that's a BS statement. They cut so fast its only making noise for a second, and its no louder than circular saw ripping through wood. The other pluses would make up for any extra noise anyways: no sparks, no abrasive residue, no warped cuts, faster cuts, and these newer models have soft starts and shadow markers for your cut line.

Totally agree on all points! I love my evolution saw, it cuts so well that the brief noise is well worth it, especially when you consider not having to deal with the dust and smell from an abrasive saw.

I built a stand with metal shavings chute for my saw, basically copied a guy from YT, my only other desire at this point is to improve the chip control from the back of the saw some, but its not so bad that I've made it a priority

if anyone would like to see my stand and first impressions: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/my-mini-garagemahal.460683/page-20#post-10562838
 

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You do fit in well on GJ...not just helping justify a new tool thru positive reviews but encouraging to buy the top of the line widget as well lol
Love or Laugh emoji was tough....but, buy once, cry once, but the table alone is well worth the extra money, just like when I bought my Bauer double bevel miter saw, this unit has been worth every penny. I would just hate to want the better table down the road and have to find a way to rig up the added material holders and indexing table.
 
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Had to look this machine up.
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I wonder if I can find one at an estate sale sometime soon? No way I can justify that right now.

Don't worry....I spent more time then I should looking at FB marketplace for what's on the used market....around here that answer is slim to nothing. I definitely can't justify it with the miniscule metal fab I'm doing right now....doesn't change me from wanting it :)

The alternative that's much cheaper is a diamond blade like this:


It's a direct drop in for the standard abrasive cutoff saw with a roughly 4k RPM blade speed....the cold cut saws are usually around that 1k or so RPM. Downside of the linked blade(and equivalents) is I've read problems with nasty burrs on them...but I generally have easy to use tools to handle that so it may be considered harder if I end up doing more metal cutting and the smell starts to highlight the lower WAF of the abrasive cutoff wheel

I think I'd rather try the diamond blade and spend a bit more time deburring then go the route of a cheaper horizontal benchtop bandsaw and deal with the challenges those machines have...plus it likely would be an additional tool not a replacement of current cutoff saw so then where does it get stored comes into question as well
 

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Don't worry....I spent more time then I should looking at FB marketplace for what's on the used market....around here that answer is slim to nothing.

Quick glance on FB market last night resulted in 4 units for sell close by. One was the little 7.25" blade setup and I thought I was fixing to get a hell of a deal on the 14" unit. But once I saw it was the 7.25" it explained why it was only $150.

None the less, I currently don't do a lot of cutting and welding, so like you I think I would just settle for the diamond metal blade and clean up the burrs.
 
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Had a conjugal visit with the Nova....was allowed to touch??? Planning to put LED lights in and needed dimensions for the guy making the front turn signals as to the size of the housing. He had the dimensions for rear and side markers but not the front so that was simple

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Wanted to make something...then realized I had a gift exchange at work coming up so butchered a piece of white oak that was already glued together

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Need to finish sanding it then decide on some engraving. It's an odd shape so more bread board or serving board but AI created this....kinda like it though will probably ditch the various extra fruits and veggies and stuff in the border and on the shark as those are going to be a pain to laser well on wood

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Old 120v welder sold today, don't have the gas bottle yet for the new one....or to be honest the receptacle to run it on 240v either....so I'm not out of **** to do yet when I finish the wood project.
 

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The more I think about it....the more I'm leaning towards just ordering the extension cord and being done with it
Late to the game but adding on. As someone with 4 50 amp plugs in his shop I still have an extension cord and find it highly useful. Especially when I have multiple projects taking certain zones. Smaller shop means less need, but my two cents.

Have the older version evolution miter saw and love it. @fouckhest waxing poetic on it made me pull the trigger and it's a game changer. Eliminated my desire for a horizontal bandsaw for the time being. The swarf is rough, and I gorilla smashed the clamps that bent the fence a bit. I want to machine a steel replacement out of steel and add in a t slot for stops at some point.
 

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In college I worked at a now defunct company down off 12th st in Omaha - Disbrow & Company. Big supplier of Anderson windows, pre-hung doors and custom millwork. I was allowed to take scraps and cut offs and would glue together and create slabs of walnut, maple, etc with their giant machinery and make cutting boards for people as gifts. I like your wood project, although the 2-tailed veggie shark design is a little freaky. Maybe for a PETA or Sierra Club member. ;)
 
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Fortunately it went pending about 5 minutes after I posted....and not to me.

Completely agree that it was far too large for my current garage layout and multitude of project types....exit plan was to sell it to the farm if/when I got tired of tripping over it as we don't have a cold cut saw there. I didn't need another project but was browsing anyway like a glutton for punishment
 
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Anyone else nibble on the food you're cooking before supper or just me?

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The family hates the skin...this one was especially crispy and tasty and since it was going to go to waste...why sure I should help myself while finishing the sides

Got the welder extension cord in(previously linked), feels like a quality cord. Strung it up to try and let it relax and loose some of the tight coiled memory....still need to get the receptacle installed

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Went back to the wood project and got reminded that wood is a natural and organic material and therefore not homogeneous....

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Similar settings in the fiber laser on oak, walnut and mahogany(sapele) but vastly different results. First issue is using the fiber laser on wood but the CO2 laser is down so limited choice but the unfinished oak isnt viable for the fiber laser. So have some finish curing to see if engraving a finished part works better....but also started to prep some mahogany coaster blanks

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Will end up 3.5" square x 3/8 thick, next step is to pull out the drum sander and run them thru to a consistent ish final thickness. Then crosscut to size, profile edges, sand, then engraved

Also got in the subframe bushings for the Nova....so can officially add that to the list to do20251210_165406.jpg
 

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I eat half my dinner while I'm cooking haha. I'm a grazer, I like to eat a few bites at a time more than a full plate or huge portions all at once. At work I pretty much eat a little something at my desk almost every hour or so, but don't take a lunch break.
 
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I eat half my dinner while I'm cooking haha. I'm a grazer, I like to eat a few bites at a time more than a full plate or huge portions all at once. At work I pretty much eat a little something at my desk almost every hour or so, but don't take a lunch break.

Kids asked me the other day why I didn't have much on my plate at supper....I just said I wasn't very hungry instead of I've already ate half my food while cooking and waiting for ya'll to call down and stop being hooligans
 
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Little more coaster batch work

Sanded the strips down on the drum sander to a consistent roughly 5/16"

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Need to make a small crosscut sled for cutting stuff like this...but process for crosscutting to width was

Make the trim cut to clean up the end, then use the fence and 1 2 3 block to set the length and cross cut till piece was too short

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Then flip it around, flip down the fence on the miter fence and cut the last piece to length using the flip stop instead of fence as the reference

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Then they got 1/8" radius round overs

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And that's where the speed slowed down as I moved to the laser

Still very new at the laser, but trying to find that balance of speed and power where it makes a clean mark without burning the **** out of it....been more challenging then I expected.

I'm going to throw in the towel a bit due to time constraints cause procrastinating....and get up early and engrave the planned design on some slate coaster blanks that are much easier and more consistent cause they're rock and not wood. And also have the bonus feature of not needing to get wood finish after which is a big help when they'll be made 8 hours before being needed lol
 

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Logan, the sun has aligned with my ancient rock formation, indicating today is your birthday. Happy Birthday Logan!
First time in this area, would come back. Super nice beach, good mix of more tourist to more local just by how far up/down the boardwalk you went. Super clean, lots of police presence, very obvious they're economy is based on tourists and making us enjoy and want to come back. Would have no problems coming back here and bringing the kids, they'd have a blast.
Logan, in his Travis McGee series of mystery stories, John D. MacDonald wrote: "living near the beach was the only place to live in Florida." We live a mile from the beach and I would have to agree. Of course our eight decade old skin (exposed to the surface of the sun for 50 of those years) is subject to instant melanomas every time we leave the house in daylight.
f you get a chance and want a good, cheap burger with a Florida vibe, check out "Flanigans". It's a cool spot, there's quite a few of them in south Florida.
@west_perf, we have eaten in the Flanigans in Boca Raton, FL many times and I concur with your recommendation. There's a Flanigans in Hollywood about 10 miles from the beach:

When we were active in the South Florida Corvette Association, (1977-1993) and we met at Gary Fronrath Chevrolet (1300 North Federal Highway, Fort Lauderdale, FL) twice a month, there was a unique burger joint 0.4 miles south called Fuddruckers. That place is gone and appears to be a parking lot now. What was unique about Fuddruckers was the beef hanging in a glass enclosed cooler at the front of the store and butchers were cutting slabs of meat off the carcass. They ground the beef on site and each burger was cooked to order so there was a bit of a wait. They also baked the buns on site. Once you picked up your order you brought your burger to the additions, which were free. There was lettuce, sliced raw onions, I think pickled jalapeno slices and best of all a pump station for liquefied cheese sauce. They also offered a huge taco bowl that eliminated the wait. Unfortunately the nearest Fuddruckers to Hollywood Beach is about 40 minutes (22.6 miles) away in Hialeah:
Fuddruckers, 1645 W 49th St, Hialeah, FL 33012

Fuddruckers never hit the top ten burger joints because they didn't offer burgers with everything on them (like McDonald's) or selecting your burger from under a heat lamp.
And I'm just an idiot and did the time change math wrong...got 50 minutes till we leave....lots of time
Logan, when we traveled between Florida and Australia (around 10 round trips) we crossed so many time zones and even the international date line, we never had a clue what time it was. To avoid calling family at 3:00 in the morning I gave Liane a two-faced watch with one set to Sydney time and the other set to New York (and Florida) time. For years there was a printed page in my Geezer Book to help with those calls. In addition to the time zones, Australia is in the Southern Hemisphere and their 'daylight savings' time is almost the opposite of ours. By "almost" I mean they don't make the changes on the same corresponding day. So sometimes those call times were different by a coulpe of hours.
I think I will be keeping my eye out for a benchtop sized metal cutting saw. Cut quality will be better, it's easier to clean up as it doesn't spray all over and most importantly the WAF(wife approval factor) is much better as it doesn't smell so bad when being used in an attached garage.
Logan, the feature that matters with a toothed metal cutting saw is the speed of the blade. I put an abrasive blade on my 10" wood miter saw and cut some exhaust tubing. It produced a massive collection of 'burr' and enough sparks to force me to cut the tubing outside and even then I hung around for an hour to be sure a brush fire wouldn't spring up.
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I went back to my Portaband/SWAG setup but 90° cuts were lucky guesses.

I broke down and bought an Evolution 14" chop saw but the cheapest one they offered and made a really cheap stand. It fits under the shed workbench if I hold the blade guard down to its lowest position. Less planned, more dumb luck.
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I bought it for $200.09 from Home Depot in 2018. It sells for $350 now on the Evolution site:

As mentioned, the motor turns at only 1,450 rpm, unlike the standard miter saw that turns at 3,800 rpm.
I've been wondering about an Evolution or similar....how's the noise level on them? Seen a lot...never used one.
Logan, I often wonder if its cutting, compared to the abrasive saw. It is slightly louder than my Portaband.
The family hates the skin...this one was especially crispy and tasty and since it was going to go to waste...why sure I should help myself while finishing the sides
Logan, SWMBO frowns on me eating crispy bacon so I settle for crispy chicken skin. While you might think the skin coming off the cooked bird is crispy, give this a try. I put the skin in a paper towel so it's covered on both sides (and absorbs most of the fat). Depending on size (and how fatty the skin is) I give it 30 to 60 seconds in the microwave. The sounds coming from the microwave are disturbing but the skin comes out crispy enough to crack it into pieces (I tend to stuff the whole thing in my mouth, fearing a few small cracked pieces flying across the room and being lost forever.
Also got in the subframe bushings for the Nova....so can officially add that to the list to do
Good grief Logan, we live in the same universe. I have a set of four upper and lower ball joints and a complete set of red Energy Suspension bushings. The bushings box weighs almost 9 pounds because the '87 Corvette has bushings everywhere.
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Little overnight progress

3d printed adapter for a threaded stem caster to go into the leg of the welding table. They came with a couple different sizes of rubber bushings that didn't fit just right so to the printer we went

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Now to install the next 3

Also got the first set of legs cut down for the table

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While cleaning up mounted a magnet bar on the router table to hold the wrenches

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And finally printed a safety switch to replace the factory one that magically disappeared

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