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What rims are those, and whats the thought process around the large holes in the rims do you know?

The rims are made by Surly and they are the "Rolling Darryl". The rims are have two sets of holes. The large ones are for weight reduction (FYI: that bike weighs 30lbs, half of which is in the wheels + tires + tubes alone... this is where I am making a giant upgrade this season to cut down on a lot of weight). The second set of holes are the spoke hole drilling pattern. I build my fat bikes on center - many early fat bikes used 135mm spaced front/rear axle spacing so you could swap wheels if something happened to one of them in severe conditions. To make room for the tire size and the drivetrain, the entire frames centerline is/was offset by 17.5mm to make room for everything. So the wheels would be laced and built offset to one side of the frame and the frame would be offset as well. Surly's Pugsley is still built like this. However, the 170mm rear axle standard was created to make a truly on center fat bike and now with 100mm wide rims and 5" wide tires, the next standard is 190mm rear axle spacing. Front is still up for grabs at 135mm and the newer suspension fork from Rock Shox sports a 150mm axle width. We'll see where the front end settles in terms of "standards". But 170mm is for 4" tires really, and 190mm is for 5" tires.

In other news, just finished this beast up...









 
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Thanks for the kind words everyone. Part of this whole process is to stop spending all of my time behind a computer and transition into being on my feet in a shop. It was a complete shock to my system when I had to make that transition from my natural process of sketching, designing and working with my hands fabricating concepts and working out ideas in 3d to sitting using CAD and graphic software where shop time was limited or not available at all. It's definitely liberating to be approaching that balance again and on my own terms.

One graphic I recently did that's been personally inspiring:


Support the Local No. 44 by BLACK CAP Studio, on Flickr


I would like that in a sticker



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What kind of rust prevention measures do you have in place (Is the Penetrol method still working?)? My bridgeport after a few days of not being used gets covered in a very thin layer of surface rust on the handles and dials (it's a heated attached garage)?
 
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What kind of rust prevention measures do you have in place (Is the Penetrol method still working?)? My bridgeport after a few days of not being used gets covered in a very thin layer of surface rust on the handles and dials (it's a heated attached garage)?

Most likely the best rust preventative is a properly insulated space. You need to regulate the temperature in the space so that the metal does not have drastic swings in temps. I know that solved my problem. I was using way oil to wipe it down and just keep exposed parts coated. The Penetrol method works well, but will eventually rust.
 

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@LeadFootDriver: Thanks for the kind words. When I was first conceptualizing the shop build, I knew I wanted a bit more cozy/studio feel to it. Not necessarily a "man cave" if you will. Not that there is anything wrong with a man cave. But I definitely wanted lots of light, elbow room and studio feel. I think it's getting there and will take more shape as more 'stuff' gets on the walls and I build some shelves, storage etc. When you walk in it definitely says workshop.



My tip to anyone who is looking to do TIG: If that is what you want to do, go for it. Start with TIG. Learn the basics, understand the set up, concentrate on heat control, bead spacing, cleanliness, angle of tungsten to material, etc. It takes a sh!t ton of practice and persistence. Mig and Arc have their place and purpose and associated techniques. TIG requires a lot of eye/hand coordination, practice and patience in the sort that the realization of persistence and repetition of doing, you will slowly start to see gains in your technique and abilities. Some it comes naturally, others it may take more time. I can say that any of the mig or arc I have done in the past did not translate really to any skills I have with Tig. I laid my first bead via a Tig welder in about 1996. That's 16 years of practice. Every time I pick up the torch, I'm practicing and learning. Go for it!









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Most likely the best rust preventative is a properly insulated space. You need to regulate the temperature in the space so that the metal does not have drastic swings in temps. I know that solved my problem. I was using way oil to wipe it down and just keep exposed parts coated. The Penetrol method works well, but will eventually rust.

Even more important, the machine ways are also at risk, not just the handles and parts you can see. If your machines are idle for a long time watch your ways. Beoshield has worked for me for most things, but on some high traffic areas will need to re-apply more often. Sweat from your hands is hard on metal, so if you can do it safely cotton gloves help a ton too.
 
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Most likely the best rust preventative is a properly insulated space. You need to regulate the temperature in the space so that the metal does not have drastic swings in temps. I know that solved my problem. I was using way oil to wipe it down and just keep exposed parts coated. The Penetrol method works well, but will eventually rust.

Thank you for the response.

I try to keep the garage at ~60F in the cold months. I will have to clean the whole mill this upcoming weekend and lubricate it, wipe it down so that it hopefully helps with the surface rusting.
 

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got some stickers from Kris at 44 bikes thanks a ton man!!


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fourtyfour - I am completely blown away by your attention to detail and your incredible craftsmanship, I can only dream of having your skill.

As a small business owner, I have a quick question for you if you don't mind - what has been the best avenue for finding customers? How did you build brand awareness and market yourself?

Thanks and keep up the incredible work! Look forward to keeping an eye on this thread.
 

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fourtyfour - I am completely blown away by your attention to detail and your incredible craftsmanship, I can only dream of having your skill.

As a small business owner, I have a quick question for you if you don't mind - what has been the best avenue for finding customers? How did you build brand awareness and market yourself?

Thanks and keep up the incredible work! Look forward to keeping an eye on this thread.

Just guessing at how he got started, he built one, someone liked it, so he sold it. Build a better mouse trap and people will buy it. Word of mouth probably....
 
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fourtyfour - I am completely blown away by your attention to detail and your incredible craftsmanship, I can only dream of having your skill.

As a small business owner, I have a quick question for you if you don't mind - what has been the best avenue for finding customers? How did you build brand awareness and market yourself?

Thanks and keep up the incredible work! Look forward to keeping an eye on this thread.

Thanks for the kind words. As a small business owner, this is my second business I've started. I learned A LOT by owning a small one man product/graphic design consultancy for 10 years. I had clients both very small local and very large global types. It taught me a lot about listening and providing expertise on the service end of what takes to run a business. It also just taught me a lot about the nuts and bolts of running a business. Not to say I have all this dialed, I still make mistakes and sometimes paperwork doesn't get done as quick as it should... but that's just something that happens when you do everything. Sometimes it just has to wait. Other times it can't. You just need to find a balance for yourself.

But as far as starting 44 Bikes and then getting clients I actually spent quite a bit of time (actually quite a lot of time) watching the custom bicycle market from the side lines. I also spent a lot of leg work getting the business's Brand image built and dialed even before I had hung out the shingle. What I've noted about my market, the custom bicycle market, is that stereotypically a builder will start the business, tool up, invest heavily in the space, tools etc and then on top of that start running a business and perhaps even have a skills gap in there whether it be actually making the bikes, running a business or even just having some plan for the business. So basically all this money is ******* in space/materials/tools and on top of that, they now need to sell not only the name but also the brand itself. That's what I observed and what i wanted to avoid. Any business small or large, the first 5 years are the most critical. You can't grow too fast otherwise you'll get ahead of yourself. At the same time, you ideally should have your craft wired so you can free up that mental/physical space and time to learning how to run a business and getting used to the ebb and flow of how a business grows.

I'm a firm believer in slow, steady, patient growth. Key word is patience. Orders and sales don't happen overnight. You need to put your best foot forward when you start a business. That means the name, the "story" the look, everything that someone see's about that business should be TIGHT. This really helps to build confidence with the customer to show them it's not some fly by night operation. Confidence and reputation are everything and treating all your clients or potential customers equally is huge. No question or no inquiry is ever not answered. Even if it's the most trivial or tire kicking stupid type of question and fishing. There's limits, but that's what customer service is all about: Knowing your limits is key, but also understanding and treating everyone equally is huge. As they say: What goes around, comes around. Treat your customer how you want to be treated and it comes back 10 fold.

Getting clients in my business is about reputation and quality of work. I did not get here overnight. Nothing came easy. I work hard as we all do. I also work smart - there's a huge difference there to achieving balance with running a business. But mostly my work has come by word of mouth based on just how much I put myself "out there" for all to see. I tell my story, I share what I do and I do it consistently as i build the business. I've built a sound network leveraging powerful social media tools - all of which have cost nothing. I've done the occasional custom bicycle show but that is not really where I am "selling". Clients have come from word of mouth and built up from the reputation of the community who I have sold to. So their experience has been passed along through that network.

Understanding your market is key and understanding what that network is and how it works is equally as important. Basically you need to do a lot of homework and observe the market you're looking to break into which is what I did. Most will agree from that world that I basically came out of no where. No one new who I was as that community of builders is much like a family tree. I came from outside that network but was able to establish myself within it because of the work but also because I did my homework too.

I also put my best foot forward developing the brand. If you are going to start a business, you can not half-*** anything. That also reflects on the business itself too whether it's apparent to you or not. People notice and people do talk within your market/community. But you need to thorough understand your market before you attempt to sell to it. I won't say I'm an expert, but I know just enough to be dangerous and I think that is a big reason why I have been growing as I have.

Slow and steady. Best foot forward. Do your best work. Put yourself out there. Treat everyone equally. It will come back.
 

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Hey Kristofer, great meeting you at the show Friday! Nice to put a face to a name.

Lots of cool bikes and other toys there. Believe it or not, guys, these bikes look even better in person!
 
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Hey Kristofer, great meeting you at the show Friday! Nice to put a face to a name.

Lots of cool bikes and other toys there. Believe it or not, guys, these bikes look even better in person!

Great to meet you as well and share the work. I appreciate that people from the board here have been coming out to the shows and stopping by the shop. It's been wonderful to meet you all face to face and share the work. That's what this social media/forum stuff is all about: making connections. I think it's come to a point where it is able to put like-minded people in touch and build upon that community aspect (and not just go back and forth online...). So to everyone who has put in the effort to take some time away from family or their own time and swing by the shop or come to one of the shows: Thank you! It means a lot to me and I greatly appreciate it.
 

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i love that sticker.... i come back here and look at this thread occasionally and go all through it every time. you sir are an inspiration... wish i had 1/8 your skill. very nice stuff
 
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Thanks for all the kind words to all. Very much appreciated.

So a while back, someone asked about my photo set up. It's pretty simple and bare bones - last night I was shooting a new fat bike and figured I'd take a few shots of my single speed and use that time to take a few shots of the process too. So here is the set up. You'll all note it's right next to the Bridgeport, tool chest is locked up and rolled to the far left out of view, seamless is hung on permanent hooks on an adjustable pole, rolled out and 3 lights are used with umbrella's (one to the left, one to the right and one overhead):



To give you an idea of how things start to come together in post, I use Photoshop CS5 (I'm on a Mac Pro tower for all things design oriented - I have a PC tower for Solidworks). A little bit of clean up and some tricks I have developed over the years to get things looking juicy (sorry, those I keep close!). Here's where that sits on the background:



My lights are on the older side (Lowe Pro's) and I'd say perhaps a little under powered. I'd like to upgrade them sometime in the future to something just a little more powerful and get a good set of hoods for them. But I know the setup and with a little bit of elbow grease I can get the shots looking ok. Sometimes I get some dark spots or parts that are a little bit too hot, but I try and work that to good effect. Sometimes it works, other times it does not - naturally you're your own worst critic! But here is the final shot with the background erased and things flattened / juiced up:



And a shot from the front just for effect : Enjoy and hope that helps!

 

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And a shot from the front just for effect : Enjoy and hope that helps!


I read through your thread last week, and I just wanted to say that I love your workspace. Beyond that, however, your rigs are gorgeous and remind me of old-school Breezers and other high end custom fabbed bikes.
 

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Of course the question no-one has asked yet is how do you get the bike to magically stand up all by itself?

Great thread Kris. I've been reading since nearly the start and it inspires me every day. The workshop, the bikes, the attitude. Wonderful stuff.

PS - my El Mariachi bikepacker is getting a bit worn out so if you need a test rider/bike on the ground/marketer here in Oz then drop me a line...
 
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Thanks for the kind words all.

Yes, looks like you've found it! Just a .25" O.D. rod of aluminum which I still need to paint flat white so there is less work in Photoshop (not that it takes much). Also have to build a stand/collet system for frame only shoots. I'll be sure to share of course.

But as you can see from the shot that shows the shop/studio set up, it's pretty simple. Invest in your lights and camera if you want good shots and like many things: It's a lot of trial, error and practice. Knowing what your camera can do and what the settings do is really good to have a handle on. Reading the manual helps here actually - I know I learned a lot from this.

One tip for any camera: The camera lens see's objects and light differently than how our eyes see objects and light. Once you can wrap your head around that, you can begin to use the light and your equipment to good effect and you can make compensations accordingly.
 

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Hi Kris,

Just finished reading through al 52 pages.

Nice work "rejuvenating" that old shop. I can see the work flow you're talking about, I'm going to try to emulate that in my shop. :D

Your bikes are truly a work of art. I agree with the ones that posted it before, it's a shame to hide the craftsmanship behind the paint. Any plans on doing one bike with a clear finish?

Dirk
 

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I see the magic now. I've seen shots in the forest taken the same way with a stick for support. It's not generally photoshopped out though...



the other trick is a large enough rock to rest the pedal on... or for us roadies... using the pedal against the curb
 

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Kristofer.....you are a craftsman and really we don't need to say anymore...beautiful workmanship
 
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