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Chilliwack Murray

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Been window shopping here for a while and finally got serious about planning the new shop. Moved last summer and left my shop behind. I did most of my planning stage drawings on graph paper because I found it a lot faster. Took some time but it's nice to see it in almost true life detail using Google Sketch-up that someone suggested here. The outside view is my first attempt with Sketch-up and the inside is the second.

All that said, as most everyone else who posts here, always looking for some constructive criticism.

In a nutshell, the Model A will live in a heated, finished ground floor area behind a pair of swing out 8h x 10'w (total) wooden doors. I built similar doors in my previous shop and liked the look with the old car and such. This area will also hold my heavier antique tools etc. There will be a couple 1x6 windows if I can locate any for light. Upstairs is heated and finished and will serve as my home office in one corner, man cave and an area for my other hobby - antique radios and just about anything else old and finicky.

The shop area is pretty straight forward, one 12'x12' door, a couple 2x6 fixed glass windows up high on the end for light and in the front and back, 2x6 swing out windows for cross ventilation, fronts are 5' off the ground and the backs are 6' off the ground. Refer to the "inside" pictures for more up to date window placement and dimensions. We don't have much trouble with security around here but I don't like to make it easy to look in at my stuff.

Since I'm more of a mechanic than a carpenter, plus this time around I am looking to have this done with a permit I plan to have the foundation, framing and trusses, roof done by professionals. I'm hoping to have the basic rectangle done by contractors asap and get the permit closed out on the most basic of storage shed. After that when time and money allow I will finish the inside and heated areas myself. That also buys a little more time to plan the finished area.

The biggest challenge I think I am facing is to ensure the basic building will accommodate the future finished areas without having to spend too much up front or make it too obvious from the permitting point of view.

Planning to go talk to an architect in the next couple days to see if this is possible or if I am right off base.
 

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You have a few similar features that I have in my shop below. I question the 17' sidewall. That is very tall. I have 14' and get along fine even getting the backhoe in there. Think about using the pitch of the roof if you desire height inside. Second thing that I did was make the railing on the stair landing quick release so I could use the backhoe bucket to lift heavy things up to the second floor. I also brought my electrical panel into the dividing wall and that has worked well for me to get circuits added as I go along. Consider how to maximize the area under the stairs. great space for compressor.

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In a nutshell, the Model A will live in a heated, finished ground floor area behind a pair of swing out 8h x 10'w (total) wooden doors. I built similar doors in my previous shop and liked the look with the old car and such.

Since you like old Fords and wooden garage doors, I thought you might enjoy this picture that I took at the Carlsberg Brewery in Copenhagen. One is a model T and the other is an early Chevrolet if memory serves me correctly.
As far as your design goes, the only that bothers me is the 17' height. Seems like a lot of wasted space. Maybe a storage loft???

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Chilliwack Murray

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That's a nice shop, curious what type of phase converter you got and how it is working for you. My Father-in-Law has been struggling with one lately without much success. This is a great resource to get ideas I would never think of, it seems like every build has something of note to learn from.

The 17' wall was the result of 8' ceiling for the Model A area, 1' floor thickness for the second floor and another 8' ceiling for the second floor. No being a carpenter I haven't really wrapped my mind around a pole barn idea so I've laid this out as regular wall construction - as best as I understand it, hence the visit to a professional in the near future. Also, our property slopes away from our house so the shop floor level is about 16' below the main level of the house and 60' away.

Being a bit of a pack rat I tend to hang stuff from the roof and at this point I was planning on trusses rather than rafters to give me some separation between the rain on the metal roof and my ears. The last shop was uninsulated and it was deafening at times and just annoying the rest of the time... I'm in Vancouver BC area and it's usually raining.

We have a canoe and a couple kayaks that it's nice to keep out of the way and out of harm's way when not in use so that was another reason to go high. I thought about 7' ceiling in the upper floor when I was laying it out and I found I was running out of room for the 2x6 windows on the end of the building above the lean-to roof line. That is the height I picked to fit our old RV trailer but if and when we replace it it is likely to be a little smaller. Also, I could dig that down a little to gain the inside height and allow the roof to come down a foot. Most of these windows I already have so that the reason for the dimensions. (Did I mention I'm cheap too?) What I really want is 20' inside height and 10' outside height - we'll see if he really a pro!
 

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Chilli, I like it a bunch! At times I've wished I had a "display" area separated from work area in my shop. That could work out well for your Model A. Lean-to and awning out front will probably come in handy. I wonder if you've thought about pull through for your work area. At first, I left a back door off of my design, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked being able to pull a trailer through the shop instead of backing in. Of course, that requires open area in front and behind garage AND it takes away a wall for workbench and tools. Just raising a question to consider.

By the way, great job with Sketch-up. I may have to stop using Inventor/CAD.
 

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Where in Vancouver do you have space to put up such a beautiful shop??!!

are you in the 'wack?

good luck on your build.
 

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That's a nice shop, curious what type of phase converter you got and how it is working for you. My Father-in-Law has been struggling with one lately without much success. This is a great resource to get ideas I would never think of, it seems like every build has something of note to learn from.

I built a converter from plans posted here I perty much did the 5hp as described and I have had it running for better than 10 years with no problems.

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Where to start...
The landing at the top of the stairs is as big as it is so I can hoist stuff up and then roll it into the upper floor so a removable railing is a must. I will probably put the compressor outside in a doghouse so I don't have to listen to it, I planned to store stands and jacks under the stairs.

My previous shop started out as a chicken house which became a lean to onto the main shop. Eventually I insulated that and it became the home for the Model A and a place to hide with my toys. Certain times of the year you'd get some barn smell back but it had a big tight fitting sliding door separating it from the rest of the (unheated) shop so I could keep that area clean when I was using the shop. Also was good insurance against mice when the door was closed.

Backing a trailer isn't an issue but just the same I'd love to have a pull through bay however I don't have the room behind the shop. I have a long lot and this will run along the property line.

All great food for thought... I'd rather reconsider now than after it's built!
 
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Well, been to city hall and not only do I need a variance but also a development permit and a report from a geotechnical engineer before I can get a building permit. It's only $$$ I suppose, but I feel I am further from beginning my shop now than a month ago. The good news is I have a preliminary set of plans in hand and can start getting quotes on work and I have no indication from the city that they will not approve everything as is so long as I pay the required fees... And there are a lot of them. I will post an overview of the plan when I get the revised version back. They are pretty much as detailed in the sketchup model - windows have changed and there is some more detail in the slab and footings, overall dimensions are the same. Regular updates once I truly get started...
 
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So, progress has been very slow with the city permit wise but no indication it won't be approved... eventually. This has given more time to scour the threads here and become more convinced to give it some more character. I like the idea of the service station theme but with the overall size and shape its not practical to build an accurate replica so I will try for just the look. Attached a few more sketchup jpgs with some ideas for , not good enough to add all the details but the overall idea is there.

On the inside, with the height |I have to work with I am thinking about a more detailed gas station theme. I will add a couple more jpg's when I get more time to ponder.

... and I know I have a Sinclair pump and a Texaco sign, it's all I could find online to drop into my model in a hurry.
 

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Hi Murray ... looking good.... I like the green .. it goes well with the Sinclair, and the Texaco ... I am also from Chilliwack.

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I'm leaning toward the green and unpainted / unstained cedar. Still has a rustic service station feel I think. The white siding like hardy plank might look a little too commercial for where it's going to sit. Either way, I'm trying to keep the outside as low maintenance as possible. Got past a big hurtle with the city this week and should be able to get a permit by end of June. Final revision of plans are due back Tuesday so things are finally getting moving.
 
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Chilliwack Murray

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Well, it's been a long time coming but finally have plans and permit in hand. Excavator will be here in two weeks, forming and concrete to follow. Had some time recently to redo the sketchup file from scratch and fix some things as well as make everything to scale. Also did a little rethink on the inside details for what it's worth. No idea when I will get that far, if it's not snowing inside this winter I will be happy! But I do need to get a heated space again for the Model A so I intend to get walls up sooner than later, just maybe not so fancy for a while.



:canada: CM

...I wonder if clouds ever look down on us and say, "Hey look, that one is shaped like an idiot!"
 

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I've been trying to come up with a size and design for a while now myself, I like what your planning so far. especially the old theme section.
What is the program you are using to do the design work?
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I've been trying to come up with a size and design for a while now myself, I like what your planning so far. especially the old theme section.
What is the program you are using to do the design work?
Randy

I used Google Sketchup. It's a free download. The first pictures in the thread were the very first drawing I did... It wasn't very fast at first (well, it's still not very fast) but the tutorial video really helps. The last set of photos is my second full scale attempt... Not sure it was much faster but the dimensions are accurate now and what I really like is that I can change the finishes and colours easily. If you have the model in sketchup you can walk through the building and see it from different angles.

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It's been a long time coming but finally some progress to report. Foundation dug and level, ground is solid. Ended up with a lot more material than expected, enough to fix up the driveway and still backfill. Engineer to inspect tomorrow and forming to follow. I'll get another picture or two in the daylight tomorrow. :beer:
 

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Lots of rocks here, including the big one the size of a car... a big car. Fortunately it looks like it will be low enough or at least nearly low enough to leave in place under the slab with minimal material off the top.
 

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Progress! Had a downpour when the pump arrived but it let up before the concrete showed up and held off until it set up. She gets her braces off tomorrow!
 

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Foundation looks good, no turning back now. :willy_nil

Final perimeter wall height is 1 1/2". Slab will pour over the garage door openings in the photos. Significant grading to be done to make it a usable space out front, not sure the little Kubota is up to it - some of the rock in the piles are almost as big as it is.
 

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Drainage, backfill and grading. Got some concrete interlocking blocks coming tomorrow to take care of some edges.
 

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Got the grading worked out with a few concrete blocks. Spread some road mulch over everything to keep the mud down.
 

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Four walls built, trusses arriving Wednesday, then build most of the roof structure on top of the walls in two pieces. Crane truck coming Saturday to stand everything up.
 

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Roof framed in three parts and shop is ready to assemble like a model car. I didn't say exactly what Saturday the crane truck was coming... It's this Saturday... Now. :D
 

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Their build method seems very efficient. I liked the leaning on the truck bit at the end of the day (2:48).
Nice work.
 
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Tough work that supervising. Actually the best thing to do was stay out of the way during that operation. It was 3 hours from when the crane pulled in until it left so 'end of the day' is sort of relative. It was very efficient that way, especially with 15' walls and 5/8 sheathing it was easier and safer to build it all on the ground than in the air. On the ground, the walls averaged about 4 - 5 hours each to build and sheet including blocking every 4'.
 
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Metal is done. Next is board and batton on the front and gables. Starting to prep for slab this weekend.
 

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AWESOME!!! Simply awesome. The board and batten will be the crowning touch. I'm subscribed...a little late but look forward to the rest.
 
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