68x48 attached garage

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

Nice looking build, Wallybob. Looking forward to more pictures.

Best thing you can do re: the old bag next door is to ignore her. She can't do anything so there's no reason to waste any energy on her.

 

[Cryptic1911]

Once you get all the plywood on the outside, spraypaint a gigantic neon orange ***** on the side that faces her yard, and then write **** IT underneath. That'll send a message loud and clear

 

[KenBaker]

I had my neighbors bitching about a 30x30. I told one that they should thank me for bringing up the values of everyone elses house. There are 3 Detached Garages in a Subdivision of 1300 houses. I would be putting up a Cattle Crossing Sign or something in reference to your neighbor as I am that type of person. I had years of harassment from the county here that I never had before it was built. Build it and enjoy it. If she keeps it up, I will come over in my tighty whiteys and wife beater and never look in your direction again because of my chunky magnificance. Let me know

 

[checkthisout]

Ha ha. Just ignore her. Your building probably does genuinely upset her. I bet if you went and talked to her she would knock it off.

Old ladies love attention.

 

[armstrr]

i recently applied for a variance for height and size. the bylaw states outbuildings can only be 65 square meters and 5 meters tall (approx 700sf and 16' 4" tall). I proposed a building that was 1000sf and 19'7" so i could get storage above. i live on .7 acres in the city and all the surrounding houses are 2 story. So the plans went to the city for their input: the electric company, the septic department, the fire department, and the city engineers in the planning department. i got a report back stating that in their eyes, all was good and they RECOMMENDED that my variance be granted. this report was forwarded to the "committee of adjustments" and i thought it was a slam dunk. it turned out i had a neighbour show up to the meeting...one whom i had already spoken with...his concern (at the time he spoke to me) was that he might not have room to fix his fence should the need ever arise. I assured him, i could be flexible and move a bit further from the lot line. Well he went in guns ablazing about what an eyesore it would be blah blah blah.....did i mention we have 20' pine trees along the lot line...so he will never even see the building?!!! but of course the argument was given the the trees COULD die. the committee which consisted of 5 people, 2 of which are in the 80s and one 90 year old....flat out rejected my height based on my neighbour...I had hired a draftsman...and frankly the new building will look better than his house...but alas, i was denied the height and told to comply with the 16'4" height requirement.

My plan is now to sink the concrete pad about 1.5' and make a shallower roofline, which i can make work, but now i have to put a drain all along the front of the shop...not ideal.

reading this forum has almost inspired me to get my draftsman to include a breezeway, thereby making this an addition, not an outbuilding...I could then go as high as i want. the only problem would be additional taxes...

anyway, the next two mornings it snowed a coule of inches. it was a perfect time to test the snowblower out......at 5am

 

[Skyline]

i recently applied for a variance for height and size. the bylaw states outbuildings can only be 65 square meters and 5 meters tall (approx 700sf and 16' 4" tall). I proposed a building that was 1000sf and 19'7" so i could get storage above. i live on .7 acres in the city and all the surrounding houses are 2 story. So the plans went to the city for their input: the electric company, the septic department, the fire department, and the city engineers in the planning department. i got a report back stating that in their eyes, all was good and they RECOMMENDED that my variance be granted. this report was forwarded to the "committee of adjustments" and i thought it was a slam dunk. it turned out i had a neighbour show up to the meeting...one whom i had already spoken with...his concern (at the time he spoke to me) was that he might not have room to fix his fence should the need ever arise. I assured him, i could be flexible and move a bit further from the lot line. Well he went in guns ablazing about what an eyesore it would be blah blah blah.....did i mention we have 20' pine trees along the lot line...so he will never even see the building?!!! but of course the argument was given the the trees COULD die. the committee which consisted of 5 people, 2 of which are in the 80s and one 90 year old....flat out rejected my height based on my neighbour...I had hired a draftsman...and frankly the new building will look better than his house...but alas, i was denied the height and told to comply with the 16'4" height requirement.

My plan is now to sink the concrete pad about 1.5' and make a shallower roofline, which i can make work, but now i have to put a drain all along the front of the shop...not ideal.

reading this forum has almost inspired me to get my draftsman to include a breezeway, thereby making this an addition, not an outbuilding...I could then go as high as i want. the only problem would be additional taxes...

anyway, the next two mornings it snowed a coule of inches. it was a perfect time to test the snowblower out......at 5am

This type of limited height for secondary buildings is pretty common. We have the same rules in our town. I do get the point of it's original intent, but in execution, it's retarded. The idea is that a secondary building does not need to meet the same setback rules as a house. So they don't want a tall secondary building due to its possible proximity to a site line/neighbor. OK, that much makes sense....but what about when your seconday building MEETS the setback requirements for a primary building? It would seem to me that then you should be allowed to build as high as the code allows for a primary building. But noooooo

Just as an asside, if they will give you 16'4", you might still get away with a usable second floor as long as you do the following:
1- Height is usually measured to average grade...so cheat and build up the grade on three sides to get an extra 2-3 ft. and sink the back of the garage a bit. This is easier to do if you have some prevailing grade, but always possible.
2- Limit ground floor height to 8-9' or so (no lift ).
3- Use dormers on the sides of the second floor, or restrict windows to the end elevations.

 

[tenorplayer23]

I won't bore you with every detail, since the two threads above talk to variances and dealing with town boards, but I had it worse over a 12' x 20' deck on the back of my little patio home. As to our original poster, who has the 68' x 48' garage, it sounds like he has it under control.

It took me two years to get a deck built on the back of my house, which backs up to basically "nothing" but woods & underbrush. The "key issue" was an encroachment of a footer about two feet into what our town called a "limited development district" (aka, the underbrush behind my little place).

Not taking the original "NO" for an answer from the board (because it just wasn't reasonable and more imprtantly,didn't make any sense) I had the entire conservation board (an oxymoron) to my house, along with a PE I hired who specialized in hydrology, as well as, the contractor who was going to build the deck. I ended up with PE certified plans for a deck & signed documentation saying there was no "environmental" impact from my one footer inside this LDD. Even after everyone approved of it, I still went to meetings where these folks were asking for changes AFTER the certified plans. You'd have to actually see it to believe the amount of hassle for what I was asking for.

In my final meeting before the town.......the variance committee even said that a recommendation NOT to accept the certified & town approved plan was before them............when the town attorney, who had been present at these various meetings spoke up and said something like....."I think Mr. L has done more than due diligence in complying with our requests and this plan should be approved. It is a DECK!!!" Well, it was approved.....we built the deck......and even after that, the builder's crew (I knew him very well and he helped design the construction plan) used the wrong datum for laying in the first post/beam......and, well, the rest was just as big a hassle. Nothing went right with this thing.............and now, because the Trex was gapped to narrowly, the decking has to be replaced. Go figure! I think I'd rather build a 68' x 48' attached garage.

Ugh...............thanks for listening to that stuff!

See ya.

 

[Curt_pnw]

Sounds like she's the reason they invented the ***** Slap.

Orrrrr

 

[quneur]

Most neighborhood associations can't replace town/city/county building codes and ordinances. But it all depends upon your state. So, if you already meet the R-1 codes + addendums and have a permit in hand, there is nothing your neighbor can do at this point except file a complaint with the city or town (building codes) or county (land use). She can redtag it but would have to appear in court which if she lost, would have to pay all fees. She would be an idiot to do so.

One thing that does pop out to me is the foundation lacks any rebars. Intentional?

Concerning the walls. 2x10's @ 16" o.c.? Also noticed you are using prefab trusses, but also have TJI's on the ground?

The only recommendation I would say is to use L straps on the sill plate and use U hangers on top. Such a large wall is going to create alot of updraft and wind sear. Heating (if heated ) the place is gonna cost alot especially with heat loss from the garage door and cubic space.

BTW, I worked as a draftman/designer for 20 years. Mostly commercial but did alot of residential.

 

[wallybob]

Thanks every one for the comments and ideas. I have been in Houston for 2 weeks for work but the work on the building has continued and I will get some new pictures when I get home. The foundation does have some rebar around all the door openings and in the walls of the breeze way. The tji floor joists are for the second floor above the shop area. Yes, The walls are 2x10's @ 16" we did this mostly to get more insulation in the walls. Thank you for the recommendation on using the u hangers and L straps I will look into these when I return home. For heating the storage area will just be kept above freezing and the smaller shop area will be heated only when working.

Thanks
Bob

 

[TRWTOW]

looking forward to updates great build so far

 

[scheu]

Subscribed. Update?

 

[roaddog359]

Wallybob, I never did get an answer to my question. What is the distance between each building from wall to wall?

 

[wallybob]

Sorry I overlooked your question, the distance is 15" from the house to the new building.

Thanks
Bob

 

[wallybob]

Update

We have most all the plywood on the building and today we set the trusses.

boom truck getting setup

The next step is bracing the trusses then roofing

Thanks

Bob

 

[cletus66]

Very nice !!!! I live in a county full of drag racing, black marks leaving, gearheads. You would be a celebrity here, and everybody would want to hang out with you. Keep the pics coming !!!!!

 

[PoPo]

I just moved to a housing association out in the country. I had lived in one before when I lived with my parents but no where near as strict as this one. When I moved out here a I realized my new garage did not have near the storage space of my old so I built a 10x14 shed in the back yard, matches the house exactly, on concrete and a nice roll up door. Well my neighbor comes over and asks if I got permission to build it. I looked at him like he was smokin crack. He then tells me about the "rule book". well that was in Sept. Last week I went and got the rule book, read it, shed meets all rules, looks nice, raises my prop value. I continue reading. It states all vehicles MUST be parked in the driveway at all times unless "having a party or celebration with guests invited over".

My dilema is he parks right across from my driveway, so when I back out I almost tag his driver's side each time cause he's parked on the street. I asked him to park on the other side of his driveway as no one backs out that way, he told me thats why he has insurance and won't move it. I debated on dropping him that page from the "rule book" but decided to let it go as I want to build a new attached garage in 2 years and don't want him bitchin then.

If I can't build it as it violates the rules, then I'm moving again.

Sorry to get off point here, just had to vent a little.

Love the new garage and your neighbors antics. I wish I was local, I would just bring my squad car over and park it in front of her sign on my days off!!!

 

[Keep]

Nice looking shop.

Gotta love neighbors, funny how they ***** about things you do, but then will not hesitate to ask you to do something for them. I bet that day will come when she needs something and pops over to see if you can help.

 

[Cobra4B]

Wow what a garage... that's massive!

 

[69satelite]

Today ended are 10 day work session. We went from a foundation to a mostly framed building here are some updated pictures.

This is the back corner of the building

This is the front of the building

This is the door into the shop area you can see some of the floor joists in place

Cutting down the LVL beam to size

Moving the LVL into place

lifting the LVL

And we found this out by the road by the neighbors house I guess she still doesn't like the barn.

the neighbor does not do math very well mine came in at 3264 sqare feet just wave and smile at her everyday waving pisses people off way more then the finger

 

[jwhcars]

Wow looks like you are going to have a fantastic shop.

 

[TRWTOW]

great build looking forward to update

 

[scheu]

Updates? Neighbors hyjinx?

 

[natedog_37]

Yeah need a update garage looks good.

 

[Grizz1963]

Gotta say, that's HUUGE !!

 

[BuickBoy]

Subscribing! I love ignorant people!

 

[fastzr1]

I missed this build the first time around. I'm watching closely now. One great looking build you have going. More update?

 

[wallybob]

Thanks for all the comments and sorry for not getting back sooner. We got the roofing materials delivered today. The roof should start going on this week after the eves and overhangs are finished.

front of the building the overhangs are done.

We added this for hosting things up to the 2nd floor and i think it looks cool.

We decided to not use a end wall truss and build out the the end wall.

This allowed us to cantilever the 2ft over hangs making the roof stronger
.

roofing being loaded onto the roof.

We didn't have room for all of it on the roof so he was nice enough to put it inside.

Working on the 2nd floor eves

Road view driving up to the house

back of the building

I hope in the next few weeks we will get the roof on and the doors installed. Thanks again for all the great comments

Thanks
Bob

 

[Shocker]

Holy smokes Bob, that is looking great!

 

[wallybob]

Well we got some nice weather the last week. The roof dried out and we where able to put up the fascia and we started roofing toady.

The fascia is 1x8 cedar

setting up to finger joint the fascia

Finished finger joint

Roofing is started

That's all for now the roof should be done next week. The next step is to order doors and windows. Thanks again for the comments.

Thanks
Bob

 

[autoist]

Still haven't figured out how it's going to attach to the house.....any photos of that area?

 

[wallybob]

I don't have a lot of pictures of that area but this one should show it ok.

This looking from the back door of the house into what will be the room between the house and the garage. It has a 3ft crawl space under it and runs 1ft into the garage. This will allow us to run all the utilities from the house to the garage with out trenching.

Thanks
Bob

 

[autoist]

Do you have a photo from the other direction?

 

[denvermike66]

LMAO!!! I am glad I built mine where no one can see it! 1500 ft driveway....love it!

 

[dalepres]

In post 108, the last picture, what is the clear span on those trusses? That looks like a LONG way across.

 

[wallybob]

Thanks for the comments I am back down in Texas on a work trip. I will post better pics of the breeze way when I get home. The clear span on the truss in post 108 is 28ft the truss on the other side of the building are 48ft. The roof is now done and I hope to order the doors this week.

Thanks
Bob

 

[dieselnut5]

That is an amazing garage.

 

[mustangmccance]

interesting project. any updates. is the steel building behind the garage going to go away once the building is up? it looks like there is a garage door right there.

 

[PurdueSD]

I don't have a lot of pictures of that area but this one should show it ok.

This looking from the back door of the house into what will be the room between the house and the garage. It has a 3ft crawl space under it and runs 1ft into the garage. This will allow us to run all the utilities from the house to the garage with out trenching.

Thanks
Bob

Do you have a picture from the front door of the house. I think that would clear up a lot of the confusion. It looks more like a detached garage from the pictures you've posted so far. Look forward to your updates!

 

[scheu]

Any updates?