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carzilla

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Sweet garage, and thanks for taking the time to share your dream with us.

2 questions, and I hope they aren't too personals:

1. What was your budget for the garage?
2. What did your property taxes increase by building it?

I'm in the early stages of planning a pole barn(probably about 40x60) for a few reasons; garage to park the car/truck, work shop, gym, and storage.

Your thread, and many others here are inspiring to say the least. Thank you and congratulations!

Hey GunCollector, not personal at all. I'm glad to share.

My budget was $85,000 and needless to say, I went over. Here's the breakdown:
$54,956.65 - material
$15,355.35 - labor
$17,696.00 - concrete and labor
$ 2,000.00 - excavating and sand
$ 1,741.70 - floor insulation including foil tape
$ 690.00 - building permit
$92,439.70 - grand total

If anyone would like the material list, I can email a pdf file to you. Send a note to my email or PM me.

Property Tax. Aren't we taxed enough?
I knew my taxes were going to go up so I had the property appraised by a professional and they valued the property at $160,000. That's down from $225,000 before the housing market crashed and property values are still declining around here. They raised the value of my property $7100 compared to last year and value my property at $183,000. I'm undecided if I want to argue with them about the $23,000 difference. That's about $115 more property tax than if they said the property is worth $160,000.

One interesting thing. While I was talking with the appraiser about the new barn, they said that since I have so much storage space, it actually hurts the value of the property. Huh? Really? I would have never guessed that. Here's to too much storage space! :beer: CZ
 
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Congrats on a HUGE accomplishment. Awe inspiring to say the least. It was an interesting read and the photos really show the massive undertaking. It's hard to comprehend anything that big for toyz. But as my Dad told me... "some is good, more is better and too much is just right." I can now say you are the "Big Dog" as far as a humble garage for a couple of cars! Now for my next question.... where's the airplane go?

lol... airplane! Yeah I thought you might get ruts thats why I was asking. Great Build!

Airplane? LOL!!! Funny you guys mention that. Just up the road a guy has a Morton pole barn and he has a home built airplane and a grass runway on his property. His next door neighbor is his brother with a Morton pole barn and has hotrod cars, maybe 3 old Corvettes and one C6 Vette. I know of these guys because I bought my house from the third brother, who built my house. About 3 miles south of me is another grass runway that someone marks with orange cones. I've never seen a plane there but the grass is always manicured. I'm planning to paint the floor in the garage before I move cars in but stay tuned. I plan to move cars sometime in June? CZ
 

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$115 for a $23,000 difference? Dang! I live in the country, but the city of Jamestown NY which is about 15 miles from me, has a tax assessment of $47.00 per thousand assessed. That 23,000 difference would have cost you $1081.00 here. I think I need to move to Texas!
 
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$115 for a $23,000 difference? Dang! I live in the country, but the city of Jamestown NY which is about 15 miles from me, has a tax assessment of $47.00 per thousand assessed. That 23,000 difference would have cost you $1081.00 here. I think I need to move to Texas!

Hey Breeze, sorry if I would just READ a little further on my assessment notice, it says the change in taxable value will increase my 2011 tax bill by approximately $109. Sheesh, and I thought I had high taxes, $47 per thousand? Yikes. I paid $2733.65 in 2010. That would be $4300 in your area. CZ
 
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Here's a recent photo showing the top panel installed in the 14' door.

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The patio area showing the liner panel in the ceiling.

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The three south facing doors move up along the wall.

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All opened up.

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I hope to borrow a small tractor with a bucket on it in the next several weeks so I can build the dirt up to the approaches and throw some grass seed down. Plus it's going to be time to get the cars on the road soon. Our annual "dust off" car show is May 1st. CZ
 

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Hey Breeze, sorry if I would just READ a little further on my assessment notice, it says the change in taxable value will increase my 2011 tax bill by approximately $109. Sheesh, and I thought I had high taxes, $47 per thousand? Yikes. I paid $2733.65 in 2010. That would be $4300 in your area. CZ

Actually, if your property was assessed at $160,000.00, Your taxes here would be $7520.00 - at $183,000 they would be $8601.00 Taxes are crazy here! My Mom bought a house a couple years ago for $78,000.00 and her taxes are close to $3700.00

I really like the layout of your shop especially with all the doors. Being able to open them up, look out onto the horizon, get that nice "breeze" flowing through there... simply awesome!
AND IT'S HUGE!!!

Keep up the good work, and keep posting pictures of that beautiful place! :rocker:
 

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'Nother set of pics = me being blown away...

I just can't keep from saying WOW when I see this. Worse yet, I can't engage my brain to think of me having/building/working in something that big.

You are a visionary, CZ
 
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It's been a while since my last post. I decided that I would paint the floor before moving any cars in. This sounds easier than is it. This floor is huge and I don't have the budget to hire this done so I did it myself. Cleaning up the junk that migrated to the barn for the winter took one weekend. Then etching the floor with muriatic acid took three weekends. The first weekend showed areas that didn't roughen up enough so I redid these areas the next weekend. Then, I wasn't happy with the amount of concrete dust that was left over from etching (I was using a garden hose and a squeegee). I used a 2000psi pressure washer in the third weekend. Then I lost a weekend with kids soccer games and mowing the lawn. Finally, on 6/26 I painted 1/2 the floor and the rest on 7/3. I very pleased with the results. I used a Benjamin Moore Industrial Maintenance coating. It's a 2 part epoxy and catalyst. I used this in my shop years ago and it's withstood the test of time very well so I didn't hesitate to use it again. I checked out some of the other products but I didn't have $3000 to spend. I used 12 gallons and the paint cost $653, about $108 per "unit".

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The etched floor

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close up of etched floor

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Half way done on 6/30

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painted vs bare concrete. No oil stains here!

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Finished on 7/3. Next I will be moving cars in.
 
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The floor looks excellent. How does the Benjamin Moore epoxy hold up to hot tires?

Thanks. It was exhausting work but worth the end result.

The paint has not pulled up in my shop and it's been painted since mid 1998. I think as long as the surface is prepped to give the paint the 'bite' it needs, it will stay put. CZ
 

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Nice Job on the building and the recent floor coating. What was the number of the coating from Benjamin Moore? P43? I had the same issues with the appraisers. I haven't spent as much on my building, yet, but they told me it was only valued at $5000 to $10000 since not everyone wanted a large outbuilding. I was like you are crazy, any man moving out into the country would die for the building I have put up.
 
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very nice! what a great space!

Your officially my garage/shop hero.

Excellent build. What about electrical and plumbing?
I may have passed over it, but where is this build taking place?

Thanks guys, I appreciate your comments. I've had cars in storage for years and this let's me get everything at home and accessible when we want to go for a cruise.

I will do the electrical, plumbing, insulation, toilet/sink, and walls in a few years when my budget recovers. This build is in the Midwest. CZ
 
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Nice Job on the building and the recent floor coating. What was the number of the coating from Benjamin Moore? P43? I had the same issues with the appraisers. I haven't spent as much on my building, yet, but they told me it was only valued at $5000 to $10000 since not everyone wanted a large outbuilding. I was like you are crazy, any man moving out into the country would die for the building I have put up.

The number of the coating is P3684 for the catalyst and P3673 for the epoxy. They are mixed 1:1. I'm glad the assessor put a low value on the building - that keeps my property taxes low. I agree with you, one can never have too much storage space for cars, tractors, boats, RV's, etc! CZ
 

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Thanks. I was glad they put a low value on it for taxes also, I just don't understand the screwed up logic in the real estate game and their logic is why the economy is so screwed up.

I am already dreaming of the new building I want to put up just for my future project cars. I wish I would have just built one your size to begin with. Love the large patio are you have by your garage doors, that will come in handy for detailing, etc, out of the sun, but still in the fresh air.
 
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That floor looks great. I may have to try that product.
Have you ran out of room in your shop yet? :eyecrazy::lol_hitti
 
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I look forward to seeing it filled up.

I'm also depressed to have calculated that your garage is about 1000 sq/ft larger than my entire lot... :(
 

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thats some barn job...would love that here in ireland but to get that built here your talking a min of €150k, excluding the site works and vat.....LOVE IT.....one of the best garages on here.....now lets see all the cars in there
 
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That is an amazing shop!
Have you pulled power in there yet?

Thanks! It nice having everything under one roof and not stored away from home.

No power yet. My house was built in the late 60's and my circuit breaker box has no room for another circuit. I'm waiting for an electrician friend to put in a new breaker box that will have room for more circuits. I plan to put in 100 amp service. Currently, I use a detached garage to work on the cars that has electric and heat.
 

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Wow, very nice, two questions; one build related, one personal...

Any concerns of termites and or rot on your posts in the ground? :headscrat

No one else has asked so I guess I will, what do you do for a living to have such a wonderful toy stash? :drool:

That beast must catch some wind? :confused:


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Two door posts and long roofs. You're a man after my own heart. I'd like to see more of that green Chevy II. I'm just starting on one.

That Malibu with the white vinyl is a dead ringer for my FIL's car.
 
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Wow, very nice, two questions; one build related, one personal...

Any concerns of termites and or rot on your posts in the ground? :headscrat

No one else has asked so I guess I will, what do you do for a living to have such a wonderful toy stash? :drool:

That beast must catch some wind? :confused:


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No concern of termites or the posts rotting out. Sure, termite damage can occur on any wood but termites like it damp. The ground where the barn is built is sandy with the exception of the top soil so it drains really well. This soil drainage will prevent the posts from rotting out too, I hope. My family has a bunch of farmers and no one has had any issue with pole construction. I checked around before building and no one had any concerns of posts rotting and some of the barns are pretty old. I do know it's a bad practice to cut the end off pressure treated wood and stick that end in the ground. All of my cuts are on the top.

My title is project manager but unfortunately it's not the 6 figure job that should go along with a title like that. If I lived in a big metro area like Houston, I'm sure what I do would pay more but I like where I live and chasing money didn't work out the last time I tried it. Plus with all my stuff I'm so never moving! What do I do? I'm the person between our customers and the manufacturing plant. Once sales books the order, the project manager becomes the customers single point of contact, for everything. There are 6 PM's, including me, in my office. We know everything there is to know about the order, current status, issues with engineering, machining, and supplied finished products. I'm the guy with no ***. When things go wrong and shipments are late, I'm the first person our customers get to chew out. When pumps are late, management chew us out. Surprisingly, I like the job and have a knack to stay on top of many orders at the same time. Some of the engineers demand that I project manage the really hairy orders because they know I will steam roll the issues and get them the answers they need to design the equipment and that makes me feel pretty good. I get along great with my peers regardless of the department and also get along with the guys in the shop because they know I understand the product. I don't get along with the management at times because I am a matter of fact guy and very truthful. If I am frustrated about something, you'll soon know! I'm a little rough around the edges. We have a open office and oftentimes I will fly off the handle just to bring some comic relief to the office. The folks I work with often joke around and that makes it a nicer place to work.

How does one get a stash of toys? First of all, you can't be afraid to spend money, lots of it. I'm not proud of borrowing money to buy cars but I've borrowed a lot of money to buy cars! (see that truthful comment above) I've taken out a home equity loan to buy cars! Dumb, really dumb! Don't borrow money against your house for ANYTHING! I have been a terrible steward of my family's money but I pulled my head out of my **** and we are now working towards getting out of debt. Good things happen when you go in the direction God wants you to go! (I haven't bought anything new since 2008 and I'm feeling a little withdrawal!)

At the risk of boring some, I'll share some thoughts that have worked for me as I have bought cars over the years. I have been buying cars for 25 years and that's hard to believe. Haven't sold very many though! In no particular order....

Buy body and paint you can live with. Body and paint work are the most expensive things to do on any car. I am on my second restoration of a rusty project and one would have thought I learned this lesson the first time. The first car was a 57 Chevy that was so rusty it should have been used for parts. I sold that car as an uncompleted project. The second car is a 67 Chevelle 2 door sedan. Sedans are rare today and I got sucked in with visions of dog dish hub caps and a stock appearing big block. It's almost finished and it's fabulous.

Don't buy and fix rusty cars, the rust gets in the seams that you can't see. I am selling my rusty cars. Full restorations are very expensive. The majority of my cars are not from the rust belt. I buy cars from North Carolina (3), Texas (2), Arizona(3), California(5), Washington (1), and Missouri (2) Rust free cars are still plentiful and there are good deals. Go out to the Pomona swap meet sometime and you'll see what I mean (I bought a car from San Diego at the Pomona swap meet 7 years ago)

There's nothing rare about old cars. Repeat that, there's nothing rare about old cars. They are everywhere! There's always more cars for sale than there are buyers. Now, if you want a 69 ZL1 Camaro, 71 Hemi Cuda, 67 Shelby Mustang GT500, you better have some bucks. Consider most of my cars. Non-pedigreed Malibu's, wagons, 2 door sedans, unusual stuff that others don't consider. Could a nicer car be for sale next week?

Find moon-lighting paint and body men or use your local vo-ed school to have your car painted. In 1987 I had my dark green 69 Chevelle painted by the vo-ed. The kids did a fabulous job (I was a kid back then too and these guys were my buds) I paid for the materials and gave the school a large donation. Then in 1990 when I needed my red Camaro painted, the vo-ed was willing to do another car for me.

Don't buy a car with a exterior color or interior that you don't like. If you are laying out lots of cash with the thinking that you'll change the color or replace the interior, you're throwing your money away. Find a car with colors you can live with. On the flip side, don't narrow your options down to an exact car with exact color, interior, engine, or options because that car may be out of your budget.

oh, the dreaded "B" word. Budget. Save up and pay CASH.

Leave your emotions at home.

Bring a second opinion to look at a car. You are looking at the car and not buying sight unseen right? I bought a car sight unseen from a liar dealer once and won't do that again. If you can't look at the car yourself, hire a inspection service or post on a forum board you are looking for some help from someone in ABC city to evaluate a car for you. You run the risk of that person buying the car but you'll still have your money! Nothing can replace actually looking at the car. One guys vision of "rust free" might not be yours.

Don't rush. Every car that I have rushed to buy has turned out to be a bad deal. Don't let the seller tell you "there's a guy coming over from Cleveland on Saturday that plans to buy the car so if you want it, better not hesitate" That's a savvy salesperson right there, don't fall for it. If it's meant to be, that car will still be for sale two weeks from now unless the price is unbelievably low. I missed out on a Nova convertible that way, $8000 rust free California car, still upsets me today!

Look for a car when you aren't planning to buy a car. That maybe the best advice I have. I am always looking at what is for sale and I watch to see if the seller drops the price. I look everywhere in print and the internet. I'll print an ad and call three months later. Something will come up for sale and the condition of the car and price will get your attention. This happened when I found the white 72 Nova in 1995. It was listed in the auto trader magazine and there was a brief description (no rust, 84,000 original miles, 6 cylinder, etc) and a price of $2000. I called the seller and the car was still available, three hours away. I hooked up the trailer and picked up a buddy. The car was everything they said it was and I bought it. It sold new in Missouri and still had a vinyl floor mat and a radio delete plate and wonderful rust free sheetmetal. Why so cheap? I don't know, was that cheap for 1995? It seemed like a good deal to me. I learned that the seller was owed $2000 from someone else and when they couldn't pay, they offered them the Nova to pay the debt. The seller only wanted his $2000 and didn't care how he got it.

Caution on buying a car that's trendy. Remember when the single color/de-chroming was in vogue? Body painted grilles and bumpers with tweed covering everything in the interior. Don't see many of those today. I tend to stick with stock colors and interiors. Why? Several reasons. First, stock is never wrong. Regardless of what the current trend is, stock body/paint and interiors are never out of style. Some will argue stock is boring. Well, I won't argue that but a car that's close to stock has so much character and quirks that makes the car what it is. If I wanted my 65 Belair to pull 1G on the skid pad, I'd buy a Corvette. I like muscle cars that handle well but 20" wheels aren't for me. The fact that the steering wheel in the Belair his huge gives the car it's character. Call me weird. However, if a car has unsafe brakes and steering, upgrade that stuff. Next, I enjoy throwing lots of horsepower under the hood and that doesn't leave money to buy new aluminum wheels so 15" steel wheels and dog dish caps work for me (buy body and paint you can live with remember?)
 

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(I haven't bought anything new since 2008 and I'm feeling a little withdrawal!)

You know, old tools are plentiful and can be SUPER cheap. Help with withdrawl and take little to no hit on the bank, what's not to love?:)

Seriously though, nice garage, nice cars. Glad your with us.
 
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Cool, we have PM's where I work too, most are very nice people. Thank for you very detailed and candid answer, we ALL have our addictions, welcome to the club! :beer:

Nice garage, nice cars, and very good advice.

Very nice build, nice cars, and an even nicer candid explanation of how you got where you are.

Thanks guys. I had to gather up my advice the hard way >> wasting lots of money over the years. I'm happy to share if it helps someone not make a mistake with their money.

My addiction is the worst case I have ever seen :)

I just added some words to go along with the photos in post 146. CZ
 
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