Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[Strouty]

Let these problems motivate, not frustrate. Getting mad at the mess is fine, but the best way to get even is to clean it up or finish a project.

 

[86turbodsl]

I've got plenty of motivation. Frustration is the name of the game. I'm cluttered to the point of ineffectiveness.

 

[kent_323is]

I'm assuming that you are basically the only one that is in the shop and using it, so you are the root cause of the problem.
More specifically, the behaviors that you have are the problem. In pictures of the shop you've posted previously, there's just so much random stuff, and tools scattered everywhere.
So the question you need to look at...why do you just plop stuff randomly? Is that stuff really necessary to sit there, wherever that might be?
I'll use myself as an example... when I'm done doing a project outside of the garage, or even in the garage, my tendency is to haul the tools back in and dump them on the work table and then go in the house to take a break. It really only takes another couple of mins to put the tools away, so I'm training myself to just put them away when I bring them in, and that prevents a mess.
Bringing random stuff into the garage/main workshop that isn't necessary is a waste of space. So I try to be conscient of what I bring in, and for existing stuff, can it be hauled out to another storage area? I have some sheds that aren't insulated or heated, but I do have pallet racking setup. So for stuff that just isn't critical in the garage/workshop, I haul those items out to the shed, climb a ladder, and put them on a pallet that's at the top of the pallet racking. That way it is out of sight, and out of the way. My big old forklift is cumbersome to use due to no power steering, so I try to only use that when items are too heavy to lift. It's super easy to climb the ladder with littles and plop them onto a pallet.
With your current situation, you could leverage a similar solution. Put up the pallet racking beams at their highest levels on the current pallet racking, put up pallets or even just plywood/2x4 crossmembers, and setup a ladder, and get the small stuff out of the way.
The other trick that I use is to do cleaning when I'm on the phone talking with family...mother, brother, sister. It gives my hands something to do while I'm talking, and quite frankly, cleaning is boring and not fun, so multi-tasking is perfect for this. Tools go back in the toolbox, metal scraps in the scrap bins, hand brush to sweep up shavings and grinding dust on the work bench, etc. Speakerphone or ear buds make it easy to multi-task, and it sure beats sitting in the chair.
The other thing to recognize is that you're not going to get the whole shop cleaned all at the same time. It's more about making meaningful progress, but focus on areas that are going to help the most. Cleaning off the workbench and putting away tools is going to help the most. Making sure there is a safe path to the doors. Throwing away trash, and emptying the garbage bins. Getting rid of empty boxes.
It can also help to set a timer, and during that time, focus solely on cleaning. When the timer is up, then move onto something else. 15mins is usually short enough to seem doable, but long enough to actually accomplish something if you focus. Set yourself a reward at the end of the cleaning session, whether it's a piece of your favorite candy (Lindor chocolates), watching a bit of a show, etc. It tricks the mind to associate cleaning with a positive outcome, and can help with the procrastination and getting started.

You're usually pretty good at sharing current state, so maybe some updated shop pictures would be appropriate?

One final thought...cleaning is not perfection...good enough is truly good enough. Don't let perfect stand in the way of making progress.

 

[86turbodsl]

Kent, correct, it is 100% me the root cause of the problem. My main issue, other than bringing things home that i don't need right at the moment, is that i am terrible at organizing. Its my perfectionism that kills me. I can't do it good enough, so i do nothing. Things get plopped down in random places because i don't have a home for them, and i don't have a home for them because i am paralyzed by indecision on what is the right/best way to do something. I know perfect is the enemy of good enough, but it's my mental block that prevents me from seeing it.

The other problem i have is i am waaaay too good at finding deals on things i know i want/or need to have someday. I think way way too far down the road. I'm sitting on projects that are 15 years old and i haven't gotten to them yet.

The shop space is so cluttered right now i can't function effectively or even safely. I *need* my car out of there, but it's not possible to remove it right now.
I have things that need to move but can't because something else is in the way, or some project isn't finished yet. I have unfinished infrastructure in the shop that i can't finish until it's cleaned out.
I have a plan on where things go, but can't move them to final location because i can't move anything really.
The stuff in the yard plan was mainly to give myself a clean slate and start to think about organizing what i CAN organize without paralysis. And if i have some room, i can run the forklift around and place things a lot easier.

I'll try and get some photos tonight.

 

[bimmer1980]

I can understand the struggle........

Some additional insight: Perhaps you need to examine what you define as perfect? Is it someone else's instagram, pinterest, facebook or even garagejournal post? Maybe you need to define what is your "perfect", but factoring in your situation, finances, time and resources.

I've come to the conclusion for my shop, that my "perfect" or "good enough" is different than the glamour shots posted in much of social media. In fact, I often remind myself of this when scrolling thru Pinterest, etc. I've tried to define my "perfect" as "functional". Hence, if it works, good enough. I don't want to spend precious time chasing after a "perfect" solution when it really doesn't matter. Case in point, I have a tool topper/storage for my tool box for my Dewalt cordless tools. It started off as some scrap OSB I had sitting around. After cutting, forming and screwing it together, it has continued to work well. I was going to remake it out of "nice" plywood, but so far, it works well as is that I hate to spent time remaking it. I have other things to do.... I'll see if I can find a pic.

If you can define what you really want, then it is easier to gauge if current choices support that. And also to look past the "paralysis by analysis" to get to where you really want to be. It's also a moving target, so realistic short term goals help to get to long term bigger goals. Progress also breeds progress. I think you were getting some good progress on the mower, so work to continue that.

As we have reminded you when you were agonizing over a small detail on the little forklift (crankshaft issue, etc) work to push past it so you can get to the point where it is functional. Once the item is functional, it helps to overcome little issues that do not need to be show stoppers. Isn't it great to have a functioning smaller forklift??? Who cares on the paint, as long as it will move stuff when you need it.

For the record, I have recently gone through a pretty heavy shop clean up. Got it to the point where I could pressure wash the floor!

 

[86turbodsl]

Perfectionism is a mental disorder. i know that. I struggle with it. For me when i do something half assed, a lot of the time, my ocd bothers me to the point where it becomes a problem. Usually, i struggle with decision paralysis until the need for progress outweighs the problem.

 

[86turbodsl]

Here's some up to date photos of the shroud for the mower. Last night i got a late start, after 8pm, and repaired the tig pedal, then cut the shroud in half and made hold together bolts. Still got a little left to do with potential leaks and a paint job.

 

[86turbodsl]

And here's some photos of the current state of the mess. i'll just wait for comments.

 

[86turbodsl]

I can understand the struggle........

Some additional insight: Perhaps you need to examine what you define as perfect? Is it someone else's instagram, pinterest, facebook or even garagejournal post? Maybe you need to define what is your "perfect", but factoring in your situation, finances, time and resources.

I've come to the conclusion for my shop, that my "perfect" or "good enough" is different than the glamour shots posted in much of social media. In fact, I often remind myself of this when scrolling thru Pinterest, etc. I've tried to define my "perfect" as "functional". Hence, if it works, good enough. I don't want to spend precious time chasing after a "perfect" solution when it really doesn't matter. Case in point, I have a tool topper/storage for my tool box for my Dewalt cordless tools. It started off as some scrap OSB I had sitting around. After cutting, forming and screwing it together, it has continued to work well. I was going to remake it out of "nice" plywood, but so far, it works well as is that I hate to spent time remaking it. I have other things to do.... I'll see if I can find a pic.

If you can define what you really want, then it is easier to gauge if current choices support that. And also to look past the "paralysis by analysis" to get to where you really want to be. It's also a moving target, so realistic short term goals help to get to long term bigger goals. Progress also breeds progress. I think you were getting some good progress on the mower, so work to continue that.

As we have reminded you when you were agonizing over a small detail on the little forklift (crankshaft issue, etc) work to push past it so you can get to the point where it is functional. Once the item is functional, it helps to overcome little issues that do not need to be show stoppers. Isn't it great to have a functioning smaller forklift??? Who cares on the paint, as long as it will move stuff when you need it.

For the record, I have recently gone through a pretty heavy shop clean up. Got it to the point where I could pressure wash the floor!

Some more thoughts on this.

My perfect is clean and elegant, and i don't have to do it over 2-3 times. It doesn't need paint, but it should be protected enough that i don't have to redo the job in a few years or less. The organization part is a prime example. if i take the time to make some custom storage, then find out in a year or 6 months that its not working, then that's time i've wasted, both the first time and any other repeat time. I don't see the value in the being clean in the meantime. I know i should, but my brain doesn't. I think the perfectionism comes from my childhood. And i know i've done it to my kids also. I hate that. I know family issues are passed down generations.

I tend to try to mine GJ for storage ideas that seem right to me, rather than reinvent the wheel. For instance, i really like Scorpions' organization style, but i can't pull it off right now because i don't have the toolset. I bought a 3d printer to try and do some custom storage and organization, but i haven't even gotten past the setup yet. Still trying to get a workflow going. I am an over 20 year user of Pro/E / Creo, but can't use it outside of work, too hard to get files out of here, so i have to learn a new CAD program at home and don't want to pay for it, so it'll be free which also means time spent learning it.

So for right now, my plan was to empty out the shop as best as i can, work on organizing what i know i can organize and know where i want things, then fill in the rest as best as i can until things start to gel more. For instance, i have the steel tubing to build a Steevo workbench with the 3 HF chests sitting in frame, but don't have the space to build it. I know it would clean up the place a lot if i got it done though. I can't get the steevo bench made with the welding table as cluttered as it is. The welding bench is cluttered because i have a million 4.5 grinder wheels sitting on it. No where to put them. I have 100ft of 2/0 welding cable lying on the floor and you guessed it, nowhere to put it. Need a wire rack somewhere, but i know putting on a narrow pin or post causes wire flex damage, so i have to fab up something. On and on.

 

[bimmer1980]

Thanks for posting the pictures. I'm sure it is not easy to put things out for everyone to see.

I see opportunity among the "stuff".....

Candidly, I would suggest to stop browsing Garage Journal and other social media that presents these "grandeous" and "perfect" solutions. I think you are stressing yourself out and setting false expectations for yourself. At this juncture in your life, that level of "perfect" is not attainable. (it might be in the future, but not at this point) I also desire some really nice storage and work zones in my garage, but I have realized that I'm not programmed that way. I'm getting better, but I have been very real with myself as to what is attainable and achievable with time, money and resources.

While I understand the concept of doing things once and being done, that is also a fallacy. I used to have similar thoughts, but then I realized that some things are rinse and repeat. It's a process of getting better by continuing working towards the goal. While I'm not a sports guy, I watch my niece and nephew at their sports. It's a continual cycle of practice, practice, practice, game/show and then more practice, etc.

Also, when you see the end result of the "perfect" results of others, you don't necessarily see the ugly side of the process of getting to that level of perfection.

I would suggest trying what Kent mentioned.. 15 minute sprints to do cleanup or organizing with the idea that it be better than it was prior to that time. It also may be helpful to define an area you are going to work on and not worry about any other area of the shop. Perhaps after (or while working) on the shroud project, focus on clean up that will help the welding table and area.

Also, there may be some value in hanging up tarps or curtains that you don't see all of the clutter, all of the time. Study's have shown that when we see cluttered spaces all of the time, it is exhausting and demotivating to our minds. I have done this in my shop, and is it helpful. I have some areas that are really clean (right at this moment) and then behind the tarp, it's more of a disaster. But at least I don't see the disaster when I first walk into the garage.

My wife watches some stuff on youtube that unintentionally have been helpful for me - Caz the Clutterbug and Minimal Mom. While they are focused on helping women or moms clean up the house spaces, what they talk about is also applicable to garages and shops. I was surprised at the insight they had on how people are wired and how we get ourselves into traps..... I'm sure there are many other resources out there. Not sure if you have explored this or not. Cognitive therapy can certainly help provide tools and tactics. (my wife saw some benefit when she was struggling with some OCD issues and anxiety)

All this to say, we do want to see you succeed at your projects. You've been making decent progress on the mower, so reflect on those successes and keep moving forward.

 

[83VillageRepair]

Working on the truck, i tried to mount and balance my own tires, the tire machine was not working and the balancer doesn't have a cone big enough for the dually rims. 100% fail. 52 dollars later i have 2 balanced tires, but one of my rims is bent, that's just super. And there's basically nobody anywhere that has that rim. super.

Too bad you aren't closer to me. I have at least 10 1 ton dually rims. I would give you one.

On the projects and organization woes... I am in the same boat most of the time with excessive perfectionism getting in the way of getting stuff done. That's why I like you and Strouty's threads, kindred spirits and all that. I now have an entirely new problem trying to handle Dad's 60+ year collection.

 

[kent_323is]

Thanks for posting the pictures. It's not easy showing everyone on the internet the struggle.

I didn't see a pic of the pallet racking that you've put up since it looked like you were up on the top of it to take the pictures.

Cleaning and Organizing is a journey, it never has a "done" which is what makes it hard.... I struggle a lot with that. I don't particularly like organizing, finding a spot, much less a "perfect" spot is almost impossible. It does look like you have some organizing.... I see a lot of similar things gathered into spots. That's good, and definitely a start.

I would look at this from a safety aspect....start with clearing the path to the toolboxes so there are no trip hazards and nothing to step over. That will make you faster and safer. Set the timer for 15 mins, set a reward, and get after it. Don't let any of the other areas distract you, only work on this one area. Also set a high level goal of accomplishing this by xyz date...Complete by this Saturday end of day, for example.

That will give you an immediate win. The next areas are perhaps clear pathways to each door, again for safety.

Then keep working on that mower, you're on the home stretch there, and you'll see the reward once that is useable. I like the fan shroud you've made, looks like a runner to me!

 

[Chrisb62]

And here's some photos of the current state of the mess. i'll just wait for comments.

Wow......how did you get pictures of my shop from a few years ago.
Actually not, but mine was on its way to this when I decided that it was time to do something about it. The time saved by having something at home is lost by the time required to find, then unearth said item. This more than anything got me to purge some items and organize into some used Lista cabinets I was able to purchase. I believe you said it was a drive to get to a hardware store so maybe keep most of what you have but, definitely put like items together, even into a small shed if necessary.

We are all pulling for you....so please don't take anything as criticism, take it as a nudge to act. But most of all keep progressing in what you do.

 

[Strouty]

I think there are more people that have spaces just like this, but they clean up for pictures. I know I have areas just like that, some worse. I struggle with perfectionism as well, so finding the "perfect" home for things is tough, almost like commitment issues. Once something has a home, I can and do use the system, but everything seems temporary to me and that makes it tough.

 

[86turbodsl]

Thanks guys. I want to purge, but its really hard to keep on top of it when it's going on. I am seeing things i can divest also. Hard to sell much around here though. It's the clientele in the area.

I am thinking i will try to finish the mower, clean up the yard then pull at least large items out so i can get some more room. There's a bit of pallet racking in the front of the car that could get some stuff before i am out of altitude. I did just get rid of an old microwave that had been on the floor of the shop for over 10 years. One lucky guy at work got it for his new apartment. Baby steps.

 

[bimmer1980]

Forward steps are good. Candidly, it is "free'ing" to sell stuff (or donate). I recently sold a few things myself, and have more items earmarked to list.

 

[bulletpruf]

Getting mad at the mess is fine, but the best way to get even is to clean it up or finish a project.

Yep. When I get all furballed up over the mess/disorganization/too many projects, it's helpful to take a step back and spend some time organizing.

 

[bulletpruf]

Thanks guys. I want to purge, but its really hard to keep on top of it when it's going on. I am seeing things i can divest also. Hard to sell much around here though. It's the clientele in the area.

I am thinking i will try to finish the mower, clean up the yard then pull at least large items out so i can get some more room. There's a bit of pallet racking in the front of the car that could get some stuff before i am out of altitude. I did just get rid of an old microwave that had been on the floor of the shop for over 10 years. One lucky guy at work got it for his new apartment. Baby steps.

I'm very limited on space in my 2 car garage, but one thing I have done is to move long-term projects to storage. My '69 Bronco, '66 Fairlane GT convt., and '71 Javelin road race project are all in storage units - one 12' x 45' and the other 10' x 20'. They're not cheap - I pay about $500 a month in storage - but the cars aren't sitting out in the weather and the parts for each vehicle (with the exception of some Bronco parts, but that will change soon) are in storage, too.

Next up is selling the 4 post lift so I'll only have room for one car in the garage, leaving the remainder of the garage for tools and parts storage for the one car that I'm working on.

My point - it may make sense to move some long-term projects to storage so you can actually make some headway on cleaning up your shop.

 

[86turbodsl]

With as big as my yard is, i can't see renting storage. But i get the idea.

I stopped and bought 4 big totes on the way home. I'm going to spend some minutes cleaning tonight.
It looks like a super busy day tomorrow and potential for WFH during my vaca. Sigh. And to add insult to injury,
my kid just got pulled over for loud exhaust, so i may have a gun to my head to slap a new exhaust on his truck while i'm on vaca. Just ducky.

 

[racer-john]

And here's some photos of the current state of the mess. i'll just wait for comments.

YEP, that's a mess alright, best you fix it. Lol.

 

[86turbodsl]

Working on the truck, i tried to mount and balance my own tires, the tire machine was not working and the balancer doesn't have a cone big enough for the dually rims. 100% fail. 52 dollars later i have 2 balanced tires, but one of my rims is bent, that's just super. And there's basically nobody anywhere that has that rim. super.

Too bad you aren't closer to me. I have at least 10 1 ton dually rims. I would give you one.

On the projects and organization woes... I am in the same boat most of the time with excessive perfectionism getting in the way of getting stuff done. That's why I like you and Strouty's threads, kindred spirits and all that. I now have an entirely new problem trying to handle Dad's 60+ year collection.

Thanks, i wish i was closer too. I'll never get south i think. Unless i start a business and work from wherever.

I also feel your pain on the Dad collection. I visited Mom Sunday, took photos of the saxiphone i promised to market for her. I have 2 lifetime collections to unwind.

 

[86turbodsl]

I threw the new shroud on tonight, and the cooling is MUCH MUCH better. Before without shroud i could mow for maybe 5-10 mins and hit 220F on temp gauge. WITH shroud i was hitting 205-210F steady state mowing high grass even after an hour. The cooling is way better. I do feel that there is still recirculation going on through gaps in the lower shroud that i did not account for. With the bent lower rad tank, i believe i will need some custom shrouding. I think i felt this as good cool airflow on the top of the rad reaching behind my seat, near the top, and getting much warmer as i moved lower on rad. I'm going to pull it back off tomorrow and tweak some more. I think i can get it pretty much good enough to mow for the season, and maybe i look at the aluminum rad and electric fan later after things get cold. We'll see. Stay tuned for tomorrow's update.

 

[OldSoldier]

Keep plugging away!

 

[bulletpruf]

I have 2 lifetime collections to unwind.

Care to elaborate on this statement?

 

[bulletpruf]

I threw the new shroud on tonight, and the cooling is MUCH MUCH better. Before without shroud i could mow for maybe 5-10 mins and hit 220F on temp gauge. WITH shroud i was hitting 205-210F steady state mowing high grass even after an hour. The cooling is way better. I do feel that there is still recirculation going on through gaps in the lower shroud that i did not account for. With the bent lower rad tank, i believe i will need some custom shrouding. I think i felt this as good cool airflow on the top of the rad reaching behind my seat, near the top, and getting much warmer as i moved lower on rad. I'm going to pull it back off tomorrow and tweak some more. I think i can get it pretty much good enough to mow for the season, and maybe i look at the aluminum rad and electric fan later after things get cold. We'll see. Stay tuned for tomorrow's update.

That's excellent news! Having said that, I don't think I would mess with an electric fan if the manual fan is doing the job.

 

[86turbodsl]

Care to elaborate on this statement?

I am helping my mom get rid of all of dad's stuff. A little at a time.
I am much more aware of my mortality these days. I'm 54 next month. I won't last forever.
And my kids are not following in my footsteps. I have no-one to hand anything down to.
So i need to document everything i have so that my family can divest without being taken to the cleaners.
I have a lot of very very expensive tools. Marketed right, they could pay for a lot of months of income that
will no longer be there.

 

[86turbodsl]

That's excellent news! Having said that, I don't think I would mess with an electric fan if the manual fan is doing the job.

It's going to depend on how much better i can get it. I'm not comfortable running it at the current temp of 205-210. It wasn't that hot last night and i want to get it to where i can run at higher ambients.

I think the gaps at the bottom of the rad are allowing a lot of recirculation rather than pull thru the core. I'm hoping closing that up will do it. If not, and it runs higher than t-stat temp i will likely move forward with an alternator upgrade and an electric fan. I dislike PM alternators and the regulators that tend to burn up.

 

[bulletpruf]

I am helping my mom get rid of all of dad's stuff. A little at a time.
I am much more aware of my mortality these days. I'm 54 next month. I won't last forever.
And my kids are not following in my footsteps. I have no-one to hand anything down to.
So i need to document everything i have so that my family can divest without being taken to the cleaners.
I have a lot of very very expensive tools. Marketed right, they could pay for a lot of months of income that
will no longer be there.

I understand where you're coming from. I'm 55, our time on this planet is at least halfway done, and my daughter is not likely to follow in my footsteps.

In case I die tomorrow, my wife has a several page document that lists the collectible cars, where they're located, what they're worth, and who can help her to sell them.

I'm fortunate that I have a very close friend that I trust implicitly that's a car guy; in case I depart this world without any notice, he has agreed to help. I don't have a good plan for the tools, but I need to work on that.

 

[86turbodsl]

I understand where you're coming from. I'm 55, our time on this planet is at least halfway done, and my daughter is not likely to follow in my footsteps.

In case I die tomorrow, my wife has a several page document that lists the collectible cars, where they're located, what they're worth, and who can help her to sell them.

I'm fortunate that I have a very close friend that I trust implicitly that's a car guy; in case I depart this world without any notice, he could help. I don't have a good plan for the tools, but I need to work on that.

You're lucky. I have basically no-one. My brother could maybe help with cars, but he's not into what i am at all, and he isn't into tools as hard as i am either, so he probably wouldn't know a lot of what i have and what it's worth to the right people. I don't trust anybody at work to not take advantage of them. For instance, the hydraulic crimper i just picked up. There's one on ebay right now for $8700 with 10 dies. Mine's not worth that much, but an easy 3-4K. Wife wouldn't even know what it is other than a hose-thingy. Or the American Pacemaker. 4-5K maybe all painted up? It won't be the 450 i paid. She'd get taken to the cleaners.

 

[kent_323is]

While a bit depressing, legacy planning might be just the thing to help give you the focus to clean, organize and tabulate your valuable items. Take a picture of each item, list what it is and the approximate value along with what you paid for it. Then list where you put it, might be helpful for yourself as well. The other consideration is insurance.... having a list of what you have and pics to prove it would be very helpful if there was ever a fire or storm. Fire is more likely based on welding, flammables and density.
This could get super deep and complicated quickly, but you might start with the larger items first.... indoor forklift, outdoor forklift, lathe, pallet racking, 4-post car lift, 2-post car lift first. Later you could get into the specialty tools.
I follow a lot of auctions, and many of the auctioneers specialize in tools and vehicles, and they do a decent job of describing and pictures. But some of the specialty tools definitely get short changed. It might be good to at least list an auction house that could be leveraged and be knowledgeable.
The worst thing that could happen is that nobody realizes that there is valuable tools/items in the shop, and instead sees a giant pile of **** and calls the garbage truck service to load it up and clear it out. This could also be a good incentive to clean and organize a bit.

Could you recruit a family member to help take pictures, and write down the preliminary information while you're doing this?

I'm glad you're getting closer on the mower, don't let perfect get in the way of cutting some grass and enjoying driving it!

 

[86turbodsl]

I can probably get help with documentation. The knowledge is in my head. I just need to get it parsed out correctly.

 

[bulletpruf]

While a bit depressing, legacy planning might be just the thing to help give you the focus to clean, organize and tabulate your valuable items. Take a picture of each item, list what it is and the approximate value along with what you paid for it. Then list where you put it, might be helpful for yourself as well. The other consideration is insurance.... having a list of what you have and pics to prove it would be very helpful if there was ever a fire or storm. Fire is more likely based on welding, flammables and density.
This could get super deep and complicated quickly, but you might start with the larger items first.... indoor forklift, outdoor forklift, lathe, pallet racking, 4-post car lift, 2-post car lift first. Later you could get into the specialty tools.
I follow a lot of auctions, and many of the auctioneers specialize in tools and vehicles, and they do a decent job of describing and pictures. But some of the specialty tools definitely get short changed. It might be good to at least list an auction house that could be leveraged and be knowledgeable.
The worst thing that could happen is that nobody realizes that there is valuable tools/items in the shop, and instead sees a giant pile of **** and calls the garbage truck service to load it up and clear it out. This could also be a good incentive to clean and organize a bit.

Could you recruit a family member to help take pictures, and write down the preliminary information while you're doing this?

I'm glad you're getting closer on the mower, don't let perfect get in the way of cutting some grass and enjoying driving it!

That's a good point about auctions. I need to do a bit of research on how that works, but it might make more sense than relying on my buddy, who lives out of state and would need to take a significant amount of time off work.

 

[bulletpruf]

And here's some photos of the current state of the mess. i'll just wait for comments.

We should do a YouTube video on getting one of the Fairlanes back on the road. Message if you want to discuss further.

 

[bimmer1980]

Bulletpruf and Kent have made some great points. I use a spreadsheet to track my garage purchases. The key is to not make it so burdensome that you don't want to use it. It could be as simple as Date of purchase, Price, Brand, Type of machinery and a brief description. As you work on something, value add, or goes from a chunk or scrap iron to a working machine, you could add an "estimated worth" cell.

That said, I think it is good to be realistic on the values of equipment and the status of it. A working machine under power is going to fetch a bit more than a "project". I'll be overly blunt and pick on the lathe. You paid $450. If it is in any way disassembled, it will probably go for scrap price or a little more. If it is assembled and working, it could be worth $1250 to $2500 as a working Lathe. Certainly value-add could happen if that particular machine has a couple of bidders. While paint and polish could make it more attractive, then you're marketing to a different type of buyer. Not sure what the actual market is for a fully restored piece of equipment. (I would also suggest being careful to set yourself up for false expectations on your restoration of the machine...) As a case in point, I was surprised at how long it took me to refurbish the head of my Bridgeport. I also have a horizontal bandsaw that I was intending to restore. It is currently in pieces and about half of them are painted and the other half needs some work and to be painted. (I have determined that I appreciate those who restore machinery, but it is not a favorite process of mine....)

I also think it would be interesting to note on the spreadsheet the current status -- i.e. project, working, or work necessary. Then a driving goal should be to get your equipment working and connected to power. This should help drive your decision making on next steps and also allow you to note parts and pieces necessary to reach a milestone on a project.

Here's an example:
Mower. $1500. Repaired Wheels/Tires, Electrical system, Mower deck and the radiator. Still needs some work to radiator. Items to purchase --Belts, bearings, etc.
Value: Priceless when it is cutting the grass!!! (maybe $2k when complete).

Personally, I would recommend thinking about not buying any other "projects" and perhaps trimming the current projects so that you can focus on the ones that are top of list.

My observation is that top of list would be your mower, your vehicle and after that the forklift. You've made great progress on the mower. I can see you are so close!!!!

I think your next "win" will be either the forklift or the car. Both would be a huge win. (cleaning the area that Kent suggested would really increase your productivity in the shop and also give a sense of accomplishment. Eat the elephant one bite at a time)

Personally, I believe when a person has a clear goal in mind (and a time deadline) it forces you to make decisions and push past issues that mentally hold a person up (i.e. the perfect storage solution, etc).

Regardless, thanks for reading our posts this week. The intent was to be helpful, but it's not always easy for a person to listen to. Some of my insight comes from reflection on my own journey and learning experiences. Here's to a productive and fulfilling weekend!!

 

[Seagoon]

Bulletpruf and Kent have made some great points. I use a spreadsheet to track my garage purchases. The key is to not make it so burdensome that you don't want to use it. It could be as simple as Date of purchase, Price, Brand, Type of machinery and a brief description. As you work on something, value add, or goes from a chunk or scrap iron to a working machine, you could add an "estimated worth" cell.

That said, I think it is good to be realistic on the values of equipment and the status of it. A working machine under power is going to fetch a bit more than a "project". I'll be overly blunt and pick on the lathe. You paid $450. If it is in any way disassembled, it will probably go for scrap price or a little more. If it is assembled and working, it could be worth $1250 to $2500 as a working Lathe. Certainly value-add could happen if that particular machine has a couple of bidders. While paint and polish could make it more attractive, then you're marketing to a different type of buyer. Not sure what the actual market is for a fully restored piece of equipment. (I would also suggest being careful to set yourself up for false expectations on your restoration of the machine...) As a case in point, I was surprised at how long it took me to refurbish the head of my Bridgeport. I also have a horizontal bandsaw that I was intending to restore. It is currently in pieces and about half of them are painted and the other half needs some work and to be painted. (I have determined that I appreciate those who restore machinery, but it is not a favorite process of mine....)

I also think it would be interesting to note on the spreadsheet the current status -- i.e. project, working, or work necessary. Then a driving goal should be to get your equipment working and connected to power. This should help drive your decision making on next steps and also allow you to note parts and pieces necessary to reach a milestone on a project.

Here's an example:
Mower. $1500. Repaired Wheels/Tires, Electrical system, Mower deck and the radiator. Still needs some work to radiator. Items to purchase --Belts, bearings, etc.
Value: Priceless when it is cutting the grass!!! (maybe $2k when complete).

Personally, I would recommend thinking about not buying any other "projects" and perhaps trimming the current projects so that you can focus on the ones that are top of list.

My observation is that top of list would be your mower, your vehicle and after that the forklift. You've made great progress on the mower. I can see you are so close!!!!

I think your next "win" will be either the forklift or the car. Both would be a huge win. (cleaning the area that Kent suggested would really increase your productivity in the shop and also give a sense of accomplishment. Eat the elephant one bite at a time)

Personally, I believe when a person has a clear goal in mind (and a time deadline) it forces you to make decisions and push past issues that mentally hold a person up (i.e. the perfect storage solution, etc).

Regardless, thanks for reading our posts this week. The intent was to be helpful, but it's not always easy for a person to listen to. Some of my insight comes from reflection on my own journey and learning experiences. Here's to a productive and fulfilling weekend!!

Bimmer - I must admit to doing you a major disservice. I have read a lot of your previous posts to this thread and the Salvage Garage and thought "what an arrogant p....erson". What makes him think he knows so much better? Now you have explained your own journey I understand completely the message you are trying to get across. Basically don't get bogged down in details and just get things good enough to do the job. Sadly I don't think either of them have the sort of mentaity to work that way but your message is spot on nonetheless. Please accept my apologies for not understanding.

 

[bimmer1980]

Bimmer - I must admit to doing you a major disservice. I have read a lot of your previous posts to this thread and the Salvage Garage and thought "what an arrogant p....erson". What makes him think he knows so much better? Now you have explained your own journey I understand completely the message you are trying to get across. Basically don't get bogged down in details and just get things good enough to do the job. Sadly I don't think either of them have the sort of mentaity to work that way but your message is spot on nonetheless. Please accept my apologies for not understanding.

Seagoon - no worries. I was concerned that my posts could be perceived as arrogant.... I tend to try to be precise and concise, so it can be a bit blunt.

Both this thread and the Salvage garage are interesting, and I want the best for them.


Maybe some of my comments will help to modify mindset or behavior so they they can actually achieve their goals.

Or at a minimum provide some interesting or reflective reading.... Not intended to piss anyone off, but I'm sure that happens too... Oops.

Onward and upward guys! Have a good weekend.

 

[86turbodsl]

That's a good point about auctions. I need to do a bit of research on how that works, but it might make more sense than relying on my buddy, who lives out of state and would need to take a significant amount of time off work.

Yes, that's a tall ask for a non-family, based on the amount of time it would take. I am a bit overwhelmed with what my dad squirreled away, and i'm even a car guy who knows a lot about what he did. It is neither quick nor easy to unwind a collection.

 

[86turbodsl]

We should do a YouTube video on getting one of the Fairlanes back on the road. Message if you want to discuss further.

Man i wish you weren't so far away. Maybe one of these days, after i get my channel started, we can collaborate on some
Fairlane content on a visit to my bro in DFW. I can't bring myself to do much filming out there with it in the state it's in. I'd be tripping over the camera equipment with the clutter.

 

[86turbodsl]

Seagoon - no worries. I was concerned that my posts could be perceived as arrogant.... I tend to try to be precise and concise, so it can be a bit blunt.

Both this thread and the Salvage garage are interesting, and I want the best for them.


Maybe some of my comments will help to modify mindset or behavior so they they can actually achieve their goals.

Or at a minimum provide some interesting or reflective reading.... Not intended to piss anyone off, but I'm sure that happens too... Oops.

Onward and upward guys! Have a good weekend.

Bimmer. As an also-blunt person, i don't take your posts as arrogant. Only as helpful. I appreciate your time taken to post suggestions. Also it's taken as intended. I wouldn't post my dirty laundry here if i wasn't looking for help. All comments are carefully considered and absorbed.

 

[bulletpruf]

Personally, I would recommend thinking about not buying any other "projects" and perhaps trimming the current projects so that you can focus on the ones that are top of list.

There were lots of great points in that post, but this is the one that I'd like to highlight. When I'm running out of time and space and funds, the only thing I allow myself to purchase is a "deal of a lifetime" - something like the widow next door selling her late husband's barn find '71 hemi Cuda for $1,500...