Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[Chrisb62]

No impressive story but this was my second car

I was all of 17 years old.....wish I still had it. Back then it was “ only” a 22 year old car.

 

[Strouty]

The funny thing is that almost every 1950s to 1970s car, two or four door, is up for restoration and show car status. I just can't see a Chevy Lumina ever being a classic, maybe a Pontiac Aztec..........

 

[Strouty]

Speaking of digital cameras, i bought an Olympus early on. That stupid thing was 3MP and cost like $600. And took special batteries. I have it sitting somewhere but man tech goes by fast...

My camera was a 0.35 MP and MSRP was $400, I bought the package deal, paid $1200 for the camera, scanner, printer, and some photo paper. I have thousands of useless pictures, they make nice thumbnails, but that is about it.

 

[ClappedOutBport]

Ironically cameras last about longer than all tech. My Canon T2i (a budget DSLR from 2010) is still my daily driver photos wise, and still sees a non trivial amount of video use too. It has outlasted most of my tech. Battery is still good too.

 

[Strouty]

Once you get to a certain level megapixel wise, there isn’t a big difference unless you are trying to print posters or you need to zoom in a lot.

 

[86turbodsl]

No impressive story but this was my second car

I was all of 17 years old.....wish I still had it. Back then it was “ only” a 22 year old car.

Nice! Back in the early 80's, dad dragged home a 57 chevy 210 Hardtop. I helped him restore it to factory original. It was fun. I was too young to fully appreciate it though. He traded it for the 54 Ford quite a while later.

 

[86turbodsl]

Once you get to a certain level megapixel wise, there isn’t a big difference unless you are trying to print posters or you need to zoom in a lot.

This is true. I can't tell much from the 10 MP to the 20MP. With the compression going on, it just doesn't make much difference.

 

[86turbodsl]

My camera was a 0.35 MP and MSRP was $400, I bought the package deal, paid $1200 for the camera, scanner, printer, and some photo paper. I have thousands of useless pictures, they make nice thumbnails, but that is about it.

I can show them on my Commodore 64...

 

[Strouty]

They would probably look better.

 

[bimmer1980]

I'm curious on the Perk ignition install......? I couldn't remember how that was spelled.....

 

[86turbodsl]

Pertronix. Its in process. The onan is a little different than the one I'm copying.

 

[1Garageman]

Those are some nice vehicles. First vehicle I bought when I moved up here to the big city, Columbus, Ohio, for my first job was a two door black Ford ******, 5 speed. I miss the stick shift, at least when there is no snow on the ground.

 

[86turbodsl]

You want one? I have about 10 out back. There's a red 2 door back there i'm pretty sure hasn't turned to dust yet...

 

[86turbodsl]

And the hits just keep on comin'....

I was sick yesterday, and covid protocol for our shop is 10 day quarantine, even though it wasn't covid. So i am work from home for 10 days from Monday, which means i don't make it over to the cnc plasma until next wed/thurs. So that means the Namco fuel tank isn't done until at least next weekend. I worked on the daughter's Audi tonight, got the steering rack back in with new fabricated hose and buttoned up. Tomorrow night i'll wrap up the top of the engine. Thurs i have another thing to go get. These forklifts will get done i swear. I also realized since i have a forklift in the shop now, i don't need to have that mezzanine in the spot it's in, preventing travel to the far corner of the shop. So i think i will be swinging the mezzanine over against the wall and open that spot back up. then i can plant machines wherever my little heart desires, with the tv and man cave tucked on the side wall and the motorcycles above. that's going to essentially give me two full walls of pallet racking and flexibility to put the other 4 post lift anywhere i want almost. I'm not sure i want to put the other 4 post in the back by the fairlane four post though. If i did that, i'd need to clear the floor in front of it to pull a vehicle in. On the other hand, if i put the 4 post in the back of the shop, that gives me a BIG open area that can be cleared for nearly anything i want to pull off in the shop.
On the other other hand, there's a garage door in the back of the building. I could conceivably just open that door up and pull a vehicle right onto the 4 post. i really need to clear the escorts out back anyway. Probably need to add gravel and a pad back there if i do that though. It would get muddy sometimes.

Really not sure on that one. I'm open to suggestions. There's no permanent power to anything yet, so the layout is wide open.

 

[racer-john]

Message delete

 

[racer-john]

How about a layout. That would give us a visual of what is there.

 

[Strouty]

Forklifts definitely change how you think about shop layout, I know it did for me.

 

[1Garageman]

Forklifts definitely change how you think about shop layout, I know it did for me.

Curious, how high up can your fork lifts go, and how much weight?

 

[Strouty]

I have one that goes pretty high, I think 16’, but all my others are much lower, my main shop only has 12’ 6” to the ceiling, so I never really looked for anything with a tall lift. The biggest forklift I have right now is rated for 6000 lbs, most are 3000. My newest one has a lot more lift (24’, IIRC) and it is rated at 5000, but it needs an engine. With a taller ceiling, going up is easy and you get to use all that wasted space. I will also say that a pallet jack is very useful, I probably use that more than the forklift.

 

[86turbodsl]

Curious, how high up can your fork lifts go, and how much weight?

The little namco is 2000lb, and currently lifts about 10ft. The Oliver 551 is 5000lb and lifts about 10'6". The clark mast that's going on the oliver will do about 16'. I'm working on another mast for the Namco, but that one is tougher. I found out the hard way that the Oliver has no free lift currently, i couldn't get hay bales into the machine shed until i stacked them outside and drove the stacks in. That was a lot tougher than stacking indoors. I'm a little worried about pulling those out when it's greasy outside.

 

[86turbodsl]

I have one that goes pretty high, I think 16’, but all my others are much lower, my main shop only has 12’ 6” to the ceiling, so I never really looked for anything with a tall lift. The biggest forklift I have right now is rated for 6000 lbs, most are 3000. My newest one has a lot more lift (24’, IIRC) and it is rated at 5000, but it needs an engine. With a taller ceiling, going up is easy and you get to use all that wasted space. I will also say that a pallet jack is very useful, I probably use that more than the forklift.

i know that pallet racking definitely changed how i view storage. I tried to do without a forklift i swear, but it's just nuts to load pallet racking without. i can't even remember how many times i climbed the big ladder with something heavy to get it off the floor. I have 13'6" of shop ceiling.

 

[86turbodsl]

This first photo is the current plan, which puts the big 4 post lift in the front of the shop, on an angle due to the centered 16' door, with a drop down ramp i have to build which lets me wheel bikes across the gap between the 4 post and the mezzanine.
It will be difficult to get at the pallet rack behind the lift due to the size of it, which is why i searched for and found a namco. i can get behind the lift by driving in the front of the 2 post across and behind the 4 post but BARELY.



The second photo, is the new proposal, i would spin the mezzanine to along the wall, and move the big 4 post into the back of the shop. That lift would be accessed by either the 10' door on the back of the building or by clearing the front to the lift. the ramps on that lift can be entered from either end. In this case, the pallet racking on both sides of the building is easily accessible and a large open area in the shop is available for any project i need lots of room for. Only downside is having to enter from the rear of the building. The side and back aren't cleared yet. But it's on the plate. All the stuff back there needs to disappear.

 

[Strouty]

I like the second layout for sure.

 

[86turbodsl]

I'm leaning towards 2nd layout for sure also.

 

[macgyver37]

2nd layout makes more sense to me, especially if the 4 post ends up as storage more than current project/repairs.

When I bought my building it had a 10ft drop ceiling in it which I was fine with as my first lift only went up to 9ft. I since picked up another that went up 14ft. Then I had some tornado damage and it pushed me to pull the drop ceiling, so now the ceiling is at 16ft. I picked up 5 sections of pallet racking as that is all I could fit and afford last year. It made a huge difference in the shop. I have 3 shelves per rack, so 15 x 32sqft + ( a couple racks are 9 and 12 ft long) more floor space.

The biggest thing I did not realize with them is that it takes a ton of room in front of them to use them. I have 50-100 sheets of material on them for jobs and they are mostly 5x8ft. So, with the depth of the sheet plus the length of the lift, I need a min of 13-14ft in front of the rack to get material on or off. If I have to turn into or out of it, I may need a bit more. It is what it is, but I was a bit surprised with that. It only matters as my building is narrow by long, and when you have a car or truck opposite the racks, it gets narrower. I have 3 of the sections that are long term storage, but the 2 I am trying to use often as WIP, so I do need to deal with it often. I am probably going to get more racks in the next year, will probably even make a mezzanine of sorts in one area just to reclaim even more floorium.

I think with the 2nd layout it will allow you the most flexibility, you won't be stuck with only being able to get one machine to a rack. It seems your experience is like mine and having only the 1 machine option you will end up stuck if it doesn't run right then. I think you will use the Namco first if it will reach just because it will be the nicest to operate and wiggle around in the shop, but being able to use the other easily too is well worth changing it up.

 

[1Garageman]

I think,

 

[86turbodsl]

seems pretty consistent on this and i think i agree with everything being said. I do not plan to store a vehicle on the big 4 post, as it's the only lift capable of lifting my dually. It's generally for servicing that truck.

 

[86turbodsl]

I just went out and threw a tape measure around for a few minutes.

Assuming #2, the ramps for the big lift are 19' long. If i put the lift in the #2 spot, with the ramps at the door, the end of the lift leaves 4' wide to put motorcycles onto the mezzanine. Once up there, they can wheel to their parking spot. The very back corner will be inaccessible by namco but i still have the pallet jack.
With the pump and cylinder on the opposite side from the fairlane lift, and the ramps by the door, that offsets the posts and
they effectively "nest" allowing the big lift to move closer to the fairlane lift, and more centered on the 10' door. Also allows more space between mezzanine and lift. and more walking room. The only potential issue i can see with the 4 posts so close to each other is if i have much work on the outside of the ramps, which might be a problem if i was taller, but i'm not, and the fairlane lift beam is above my head. So, i think i'm covered in this case, and maybe only have a post to work around. I can't think of a really bad thing that i might run into with this arrangement. Only possible reason this wouldn't work is i want to lift something longer than about 18' wheelbase. I think i will have to have a high lift door though. I can probably rejigger the tracks to do that. This arrangement is looking better and better.

 

[Strouty]

I only use shallow pallet racking, deeper stuff stays outside, I have stack rack that will accept a full sized pallet, wish I hadn’t sold any of it, I need a lot more. The stack rack is nice because you can easily move the sections around, but it takes up more space than regular pallet rack.

 

[86turbodsl]

Only thing i can think of that might **** would be if i need to weld something on the big lift. But i can get an extension cord.

 

[Strouty]

A big welder extension cord is a great addition, put an outlet at the big doors, then you can do stuff outside if needed. I have yanked the welder and the plasma cutter outside when needed.

 

[86turbodsl]

Ive got a 60a plug right by the door already. Outdoor welding isnt a problem with the hobart.

 

[racer-john]

Number 2 solution looks good, but I didn't see a workbench or toolboxes.

 

[86turbodsl]

They are under pallet racking

 

[racer-john]

I see, much like Strouty's.

 

[Strouty]

My ceiling height means I get one shelf for the pallet rack or I lose tons of wall/floor space for my junk…..

 

[Chrisb62]

Going to throw out 2 more options..neither are great options.......

1... Reduce items in shop.....small purge so to speak
2...Build more room...addition or 2nd building

Option 2 is ideal but not a fast or cheap thing
Option 1 just plain *****

Your second layout is a good short term solution.

 

[86turbodsl]

Going to throw out 2 more options..neither are great options.......

1... Reduce items in shop.....small purge so to speak
2...Build more room...addition or 2nd building

Option 2 is ideal but not a fast or cheap thing
Option 1 just plain *****

Your second layout is a good short term solution.

What fun would that be? Actually i need more storage room for long term projects.

 

[bimmer1980]

Shipping container????

Or palletize a few items, wrap them and set them in the back of the variety of pickups parked outside.....

I do think a critical eye on your treasures and clearing the valuable shop floor space so that you can do what your really want to do would prove helpful.

Trust me, I like stuff too, but I went thru a process of some purging and I don't miss the stuff that I sold. I really need to purge a few more items and gain that valuable shop space.

Put a dollar value per square foot and see if the item justify themselves to be there.....

Another idea.... Pallet rack outside, very basic tin roof attached to top and rack some of the stuff outside. Just a small concrete footing for each upright.

Back to your regular programming....

 

[Strouty]

I hate calculating my square footage value versus stuff value, it never works out, maybe I should use some of that common core stuff, then I will still get credit for the work even though my answer is wrong.....