Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[86turbodsl]

i probably am not going down the road of calculating $ vs sq ft right now. i am working on projects i want to, it's not a business yet.

On another note, i took a couple days off. Yesterday i went to Chicago and picked up a 4th forklift, a Yale ESC 020, an electric standup like the namco. Battery totally shot, won't hold a charge. But the thing was dirt cheap, and had something i've been having a hard time finding: A narrow, 2000lb capacity, full free lift, 16' mast. That will be going on the Namco. the namco only does about 10', and that leaves me with 4' of pallet rack i can't load. Basically with the existing setup, i can load the first shelf and that's it. Now i can do anything. The lift was cheap enough and heavy enough (6000+lbs) that the mast is pretty much free. I started scrapping it out this afternoon. I had to literally RIP the battery out of the machine it had swollen so much from corrosion. The whole underside of the machine is a ball of corrosion. The important part, the mast, is basically perfect. The guy i got it from, said it was in his spare warehouse, and got about 1/2 hr of use a month for the last 10 years. That's why the battery was bad. Also, the overhead guard will work on the Namco with a little massaging. I didn't have one for that machine, so that's also nice.

Also found a reason for the Oliver running a little rough sometimes, it had a broken ballast resistor. Occasionally it would stop running and not run again. I found a different coil compatible with the pertronix and swapped it out, and back to running good. Well, other than not being tuned right. Still fighting that part.

does anyone know if scrapyards take the batteries out of forklifts still in the big case, or do they make you pull the batteries out? The idea of doing that does not sound fun at all. It's a ball of corroded lead.

 

[86turbodsl]

Shipping container????

Or palletize a few items, wrap them and set them in the back of the variety of pickups parked outside.....

I do think a critical eye on your treasures and clearing the valuable shop floor space so that you can do what your really want to do would prove helpful.

Trust me, I like stuff too, but I went thru a process of some purging and I don't miss the stuff that I sold. I really need to purge a few more items and gain that valuable shop space.

Put a dollar value per square foot and see if the item justify themselves to be there.....

Another idea.... Pallet rack outside, very basic tin roof attached to top and rack some of the stuff outside. Just a small concrete footing for each upright.

Back to your regular programming....

I hear you, and i have decided to part with some stuff, just like mentioned last time, NOBODY will give you anything for anything around here. I will probably just end up scrapping a lot of stuff. Downside is the scrap prices are down, and that's about the ONLY THING that's down. !@#$!@#$!@%$ govm'nt.

I do like the idea of outdoor pallet racking. I might need some pad out there. Also looking at outdoor steel racking. There' no room inside for it, and for mild, who cares? Just keep the expensive stuff inside, like 4140 and such.

I also have decided probably in future i will put a leanto on the back, along side the back door, and put the woodshop back there. Keeps the addition close to the heat too. Only haven't figured out a good place to put a door between sections and
i don't like the idea of walking around outside. Dad did that on his two shops. Always ticked me off having to go outside to go from one side to the other.

 

[Strouty]

They should take the batteries as is, around here they were about 15 cents a pound, but it has been volatile lately. I would call around, some places were 9 cents and others were 17 cents. Just tell them they are from an electric forklift and they have the steel case, should be lead acid as well.

 

[86turbodsl]

I called. 11c a lb. We don't have much for scrappers. Omnisource is the 900lb gorilla in the area.

 

[86turbodsl]

One day in, and it's mostly done. Mast is off and convalescing in the yard, fluids are drained, electronics are out, working on hydraulic valves, and a couple little bits and it's ready to scrap.

Somebody dumped a pile of round tuits in my lap. Pics later.

 

[racer-john]

Thankfully I only have one "round tuit" to look after, fix the carb on the lawnmower or replace it.

 

[bimmer1980]

Progress is good!!! Keep up the momentum!

I got one of my "round tuits" done today! Radiator is back in the excavator, whew!

 

[86turbodsl]

racer/bimmer,

Good job! Get at least one thing done a day is my motto. i was just more ambitious today than most. The yale esc is no more. it's stripped and ready to go for scrap. The bigger question is how do i get 4000lbs of scrap to the scrap yard.... my only working trailer right now is good for about 3000...

 

[bimmer1980]

How far from your place to the scrap place?

If you have the forklift to lift the 4000lbs, I'd be inclined to set it on the trailer and see how it looks.... Add some air to the tires and off you go....
(Not that I'm recommending doing this, but usually the trailers have a bit of a safety margin built in... Especially if you watch your speed and cornering... ). I know a close relative of mine greatly overloaded a trailer and made it home... .

Granted, the safety police on here might get a little excited....

But post the pics after it's dropped off....

 

[kent_323is]

Only 4000 lbs??? Git r dun!

I'll just leave this right here for reference.
This was an adventure a few years ago.... any guesses on how heavy the yellow truck was? 1/2 ton truck pulling it, trailer was 3500 lbs axles @2 ... and any guess under 7000 lbs don't count.
I built the trailer myself.

I found out how heavy the yellow truck was after the fact.... verified on a scale.

 

[ClappedOutBport]

12,500.

Overloaded for sure.

 

[Strouty]

I was thinking a bit more, 14,500, but that tank could be weigh heavier than I think.

 

[bulletpruf]

Only 4000 lbs??? Git r dun!

I'll just leave this right here for reference.
This was an adventure a few years ago.... any guesses on how heavy the yellow truck was? 1/2 ton truck pulling it, trailer was 3500 lbs axles @2 ... and any guess under 7000 lbs don't count.
I built the trailer myself.

I found out how heavy the yellow truck was after the fact.... verified on a scale.

Yikes! Hope you didn't have to go far!!!

 

[86turbodsl]

Yeah id guess at least 12k. I dont have real far to go. 17miles.

 

[Strouty]

After looking at the images on my computer, I feel I might be off a bit, it looks like it may not have an engine or transmission, but I do not think it is under 12k. Regardless it is a lot for those axles for sure.

 

[kent_323is]

The truck weighed in at 12000 lbs, and this was a complete unit, no missing parts. Even the fuel hoses & pumps were complete. Engine was stuck tho.... so I later sold it.
It was a 35 mile trip that took 2 days and 4 new trailer tires. The ones that blew were old and dry rotted, so they didn't have much chance, even going only 35 mph.

 

[ClappedOutBport]

Price is right rules? Who wins haha. Heavy load for sure.

 

[kent_323is]

I got the truck pretty cheap, and later sold it for much higher. Even after paying for the trailer tires, it was a solid net gain.

 

[86turbodsl]

My trailer has 2 newish tires on it. I think rated ~2500 each. I'm more worried about the trailer itself. It's a TSC trailer that about folded in half after first use, i have welded additional tubing and angle on it over the years. we regularly bring round bales home on it. I brought home a 2000lb surface grinder on it. I did weld an additional 2x2 11 ga crossmember under it for that one though.

 

[kent_323is]

How much could you cut off of the old forklift that could go in the back of your 1-ton truck?
You could use some timbers to lay in the bed of the trailer first so that when the old forklift goes in that it spreads out the load.
I'd lay in some timbers, and set it in there gently and see how the trailer looks. If it looks bad, then you have more work to do to cut it down into a smaller load.

 

[86turbodsl]

its down to the point that i can't get much more off it. it's a one pc steel chassis with cast iron welded in spots.
Maybe another 100 lbs. I can't put in the bed of the 1ton, the scrap yard won't pull material out of a bed with the excavator due to liability. There's no forklifts at the scrap yard.

 

[86turbodsl]

The tires on the little trailer are rated 1750 ea. Trailer weighs about 500lb. I *think* i should be ok to move 3000lbs on it about 17 miles. I hope. I don't have many options other than rent again. Getting tired of that.

Making some progress on the Namco finally. Got tank and ignition parts cut out, and ordered parts have arrived.

 

[kent_323is]

Let's see some pics of the hulk of forklift that is left. Have you tried putting it on the trailer yet?

 

[86turbodsl]

I have not yet. I am at the office for a few days.

And even that is an early pic. I have stripped off the electronics, motor, tilt cylinder and drive motor. There's not much left.

 

[Mr.zippy]

Is that steering wheel supposed to be shaped like that?

 

[86turbodsl]

yeah it's a goofy looking thing. Stock.

 

[1Garageman]

Looks like a nice project!

 

[86turbodsl]

Well some more bad news on the Namco. I needed to pull the flywheel to install the electronic ignition. I pulled the bolt holding the flywheel on the crank, reinstalled lightly and installed a puller. Tightened it down, then started whacking the puller with heat to loosen it up. It seemed like it was moving slowly so i kept at it. Apply tension, whack, heat, repeat. Finally felt like i was getting nowhere so i researched some more and whacked the side of the flywheel with a sledge. It popped right off. Tapered nose. Turns out the threads on the crank and crank bolt were deforming. The bolt seems to be made of butter.

Soooo, i have damaged threads deep inside a recess in the crank snout, and so i ordered a helicoil kit for that size, and a long tap. ALSO i think the depth of threads is beyond normal tap length for the STI tap in helicoil kits, so i may need to d*ck around with extending the taps. We shall see.

I also have all the parts for the new fuel tank and also the makings of a muffler in hand. I will start putting that together either tonight or this weekend.

It's always something...

 

[u3b3rg33k]

Is that steering wheel supposed to be shaped like that?

yeah it's a goofy looking thing. Stock.

Don't let Elon see it, it'll be the new Tesla wheel.

 

[bimmer1980]

Well some more bad news on the Namco. I needed to pull the flywheel to install the electronic ignition. I pulled the bolt holding the flywheel on the crank, reinstalled lightly and installed a puller. Tightened it down, then started whacking the puller with heat to loosen it up. It seemed like it was moving slowly so i kept at it. Apply tension, whack, heat, repeat. Finally felt like i was getting nowhere so i researched some more and whacked the side of the flywheel with a sledge. It popped right off. Tapered nose. Turns out the threads on the crank and crank bolt were deforming. The bolt seems to be made of butter.

Soooo, i have damaged threads deep inside a recess in the crank snout, and so i ordered a helicoil kit for that size, and a long tap. ALSO i think the depth of threads is beyond normal tap length for the STI tap in helicoil kits, so i may need to d*ck around with extending the taps. We shall see.

I also have all the parts for the new fuel tank and also the makings of a muffler in hand. I will start putting that together either tonight or this weekend.

It's always something...

Uuffda!! That *****!

 

[Strouty]

It is only one bolt, they only use that bolt to make engineers feel better, you will be fine without it.....

 

[racer-john]

Yeh,but how else do yo uget the tapers to lock?

 

[Strouty]

JB Weld

 

[rattle_snake]

I thought that is what rust is supposed to do?

 

[bimmer1980]

Warm the flywheel, cool the shaft, ram them together and maybe it will stay stuck together on the taper??

 

[86turbodsl]

Nope. Needs a bolt. I have several ideas on that.

 

[Strouty]

You’re no fun.

 

[bulletpruf]

Well some more bad news on the Namco. I needed to pull the flywheel to install the electronic ignition. I pulled the bolt holding the flywheel on the crank, reinstalled lightly and installed a puller. Tightened it down, then started whacking the puller with heat to loosen it up. It seemed like it was moving slowly so i kept at it. Apply tension, whack, heat, repeat. Finally felt like i was getting nowhere so i researched some more and whacked the side of the flywheel with a sledge. It popped right off. Tapered nose. Turns out the threads on the crank and crank bolt were deforming. The bolt seems to be made of butter.

Soooo, i have damaged threads deep inside a recess in the crank snout, and so i ordered a helicoil kit for that size, and a long tap. ALSO i think the depth of threads is beyond normal tap length for the STI tap in helicoil kits, so i may need to d*ck around with extending the taps. We shall see.

I also have all the parts for the new fuel tank and also the makings of a muffler in hand. I will start putting that together either tonight or this weekend.

It's always something...

If it was easy, it wouldn't be nearly as much fun!

 

[86turbodsl]

You’re no fun.

Yeah, i'm usually the straight man. Sorry.

 

[86turbodsl]

Yesterday laid in 2 cords of wood, the seller said the market is exploding after every media outlet started talking about the long dark winter. It's not very dry, but at least it's something. Just hoping not to have to buy propane in middle of winter.
Hey maybe i'll get fired, i can burn half the stuff in the shop with enough time...