Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[rattle_snake]

I agree new vehicles are a terrible 'investment' but instead most are a tool (transportation). Keeping them longer help reduce the 'over the curb hit'.

I have only bought one new vehicle, '14 F250. Still recovering from sticker shock 10 years later, even though I paid it off in 2. It's worth 70% of new value over 10 years of use. That comes out to about $170/month for ownership. Not bad.

 

[Bob Heine]

I bought 3 new cars in my life (1968 GTO, 1971 Vega GT, 1989 Toyota Camry Ultima). Normally I buy low mileage used cars for deep discounts. The new GTO was cheaper than used ones at the time and the Vega was a good lesson (paid MSRP instead of scrap). The Toyota was another cheaper than used when living tool-less in Australia.

 

[86turbodsl]

I agree new vehicles are a terrible 'investment' but instead most are a tool (transportation). Keeping them longer help reduce the 'over the curb hit'.

I have only bought one new vehicle, '14 F250. Still recovering from sticker shock 10 years later, even though I paid it off in 2. It's worth 70% of new value over 10 years of use. That comes out to about $170/month for ownership. Not bad.

I agree they are tools as well, but nobody said you have to buy new tools either.

 

[bulletpruf]

I have only bought one new vehicle, '14 F250. Still recovering from sticker shock 10 years later, even though I paid it off in 2. It's worth 70% of new value over 10 years of use. That comes out to about $170/month for ownership. Not bad.

That's pretty good.

 

[bulletpruf]

I bought 3 new cars in my life (1968 GTO, 1971 Vega GT, 1989 Toyota Camry Ultima). Normally I buy low mileage used cars for deep discounts. The new GTO was cheaper than used ones at the time and the Vega was a good lesson (paid MSRP instead of scrap). The Toyota was another cheaper than used when living tool-less in Australia.

Was the Vega a complete POS? Heard horror stories about the engine - aluminum w/o cylinder liners - and rust issues. I still see them for sale periodically; would be cool find a decent original one to do an old-school SBC swap.

As for new cars, I've bought 3 as well - '93 Isuzu Rodeo (fairly mediocre; sold after a few years to buy a '66 Corvette convertible), 2000 Jeep Cherokee (excellent; sold after about 5 years when I left Hawaii), 2020 GMC Yukon Denali 4x4 (still have it; so far, so good). If I have to count cars for the Long Haired General, add in a 2013 Infiniti FX37 AWD (still have it; excellent).

 

[86turbodsl]

I had a high school classmate who's family had a Vega GT. They loved that thing, even with the problems. I didn't see the allure.

 

[bimmer1980]

Just checking in here.... Did you get your son's pick-up done and running again? Exhaust pipes/muffler....?

Anything on the "fun" plan for this weekend?

I'm still running my 20+ year old 4 Runner. I totally understand the need for reliable transportation, but some of the newer vehicle choices that people make is mind-boggling.... to each their own, but I would have a hard time sleeping at night thinking about a 7 year vehicle loan at 8+ percent....

 

[86turbodsl]

Bimmer, thanks for checking in. Yes, we actually knocked my son's exhaust out in a weekend. Started Friday night, had it done by Sunday evening. Fully mandrel bent, 304 stainless, stainless hangers in factory mounts, with dual turbo mufflers. Two O2 bungs, one capped for the wideband that will be needed for tuning. MUCH much quieter. He's very happy. This week we added locking header fasteners and copper collector gaskets. He's enjoying his stereo again.

This weekend, with nothing pressing on the docket, i am planning to use some of the space i've cleared to organize fasteners and get them stored. That will clean up a big chunk of floorspace and allow easy access to the fasteners again.

Interspersed in that task, i need to get started on my server rebuild. For several years, i've had an AMD running in a custom case with a bunch of hard drives, and it was running proxmox virtualized with a bunch of vm's running email, some house stuff, and storage for all the video and pictures from 20 years or so, as well as a firewall. When it went down, everything in the house went down. It's been flaking out the last few months so i finally got off my wallet and ordered a bunch of parts. First step was to pull the network card out of the server to rebuild into the new firewall box. I turned it off to pull the card, and once that task was done, it wouldn't turn back on. I've only been able to get it to beep a little and then shut off. So now i need to figure out how to get 27 Terabytes of data off the array without breaking anything using a new pile of hardware. Guess i waited too long... doh. That's going to be painful to say the least.

 

[Strouty]

That is the trouble with data, you don't realize how much there is until there is an issue, then you realize you should have been on top of it way before the bad thing happened. I relied on photo bucket at one point and lost about 20k pictures. Now I have multiple locations that things get stored. I would like to setup my own server like what you are doing, one more thing to add to the list.

 

[86turbodsl]

Yeah i really should have had some sort of backup going. I think eventually i will setup something in the shop that just turns on once a day and syncs then shuts back off. With the fiber connection it wouldn't be too hard on the connection probably. One step at a time. It's only time and money right?

 

[Strouty]

Yup, that's all, neither one is too important...

 

[Bob Heine]

Was the Vega a complete POS? Heard horror stories about the engine - aluminum w/o cylinder liners - and rust issues.

Scott, no it wasn't a complete POS. Rod&Custom had an article on some simple mods to wake up the 110hp GT engine (15-20hp): opening up the jets on the 2-barrel a couple of sizes and a ****** header made a big difference. A set of Koni shocks improved the handling and stiffened the ride a bit. When it needed tires I went from bias ply Goodyear A70-13s to radial BF Goodrich B60-13s and it stuck like glue in the turns. I was OK with doing a head gasket but the body rot was a total disaster. My modest collection when we left New York and moved to Florida. The red and blue were V8 power and the green one was the save a buck on fuel daily driver to feed the other two. I think the more you love a car, the more disappointing it is when it goes bad.

My Vega GT had unique anodized aluminum trim on the fender lips. One was missing when the car was delivered and the dealer had a hell of a time getting a replacement. My GT was the first one delivered to the Hudson Valley and I think the trim slowed the production line too much and was quickly deleted.

I had a high school classmate who's family had a Vega GT. They loved that thing, even with the problems. I didn't see the allure.

@86turbodsl, it's a lot like my PT Cruiser. Huge love-it crowd and even bigger hate-it crowd. If it didn't have a turbo and tune I'd probably be in the latter crowd. I am attracted to orphan vehicles. I bet there's a whole bunch of Prius and Tesla owners who hate my Cadillac CTS-V!

 

[ClappedOutBport]

I have never purchased a new car/truck and don't think I ever will. I just can't except the loss of value just driving it a few hundred feet off the dealers car lot.

Guessing you haven't bought lately. My Maverick appreciated driving it off the lot. While the dealer didn't offer me since I was so keen on owning a new vehicle, but it was clear they were willing to buy it off me at above what I paid for it. Crazy that more folks aren't out there making fake orders.

 

[bulletpruf]

Scott, no it wasn't a complete POS. Rod&Custom had an article on some simple mods to wake up the 110hp GT engine (15-20hp): opening up the jets on the 2-barrel a couple of sizes and a ****** header made a big difference. A set of Koni shocks improved the handling and stiffened the ride a bit. When it needed tires I went from bias ply Goodyear A70-13s to radial BF Goodrich B60-13s and it stuck like glue in the turns. I was OK with doing a head gasket but the body rot was a total disaster. My modest collection when we left New York and moved to Florida. The red and blue were V8 power and the green one was the save a buck on fuel daily driver to feed the other two. I think the more you love a car, the more disappointing it is when it goes bad.

My Vega GT had unique anodized aluminum trim on the fender lips. One was missing when the car was delivered and the dealer had a hell of a time getting a replacement. My GT was the first one delivered to the Hudson Valley and I think the trim slowed the production line too much and was quickly deleted.

@86turbodsl, it's a lot like my PT Cruiser. Huge love-it crowd and even bigger hate-it crowd. If it didn't have a turbo and tune I'd probably be in the latter crowd. I am attracted to orphan vehicles. I bet there's a whole bunch of Prius and Tesla owners who hate my Cadillac CTS-V!

Thanks for the details, Bob. I recall going to a dealership somewhere around the Gulf Shores, Alabama area in about 1985 to get some work done on our station wagon and they had a brand new Cosworth Vega on the showroom floor. I guess it never sold and they decided to keep it. It was black and I think it had a light brown interior. It was a very sharp looking car.

 

[86turbodsl]

Saturday i went out to the shop and tore into the fastener situation. Started piles on the floor of like fasteners.
It quickly became apparent that i don't have a good storage method. I want to do something like schaller cups for the blueprint files i have, there should be plenty of room in those for all the fasteners. Think Lista on the cheap.

To do this, i either need to order a ton of them or 3d print. i want to 3d print, but that's not operational yet and the area where the printer is is a DISASTER zone. Server rework. So i spent a few hours working on that mess, and still don't have a booting replacement, although i am getting closer. I may have to pull trigger on more hardware. TBD.

Also had a lot more drama with my son. Getting real tired of it.


Obligatory photo.

On the plus side, I no longer have to step over bins of fasteners to get to the beer fridge.

 

[Bob Heine]

Great that you aren't sorting rusty nuts and bolts from cars you no longer own. I know someone who has done that -- but at least that person is no longer straightening and sorting used nails.

 

[bulletpruf]

My hardware storage solution. Made by Durham, it's big (6' tall), heavy, and expensive ($1,200), but man, it is nice! This pic was taken several years ago. I have since gotten all the drawers labeled and in use. 90% of my nuts and bolts are separated and arranged by size; I quit when I got to the small stuff and just stuck it all in the same drawer.

 

[86turbodsl]

I've been on the lookout for bolt bins but they just never show up around me for an affordable price.

 

[86turbodsl]

Great that you aren't sorting rusty nuts and bolts from cars you no longer own. I know someone who has done that -- but at least that person is no longer straightening and sorting used nails.

Rusty fasteners, in absence of being special OEM function, go straight in the circular file

 

[86turbodsl]

Almost done sorting fasteners!!!

And i got the new server motherboard to boot the old file system. I likely might be able to save my data. Woot!

 

[Strouty]

Fingers crossed on the Data and congrats on the sorting! I have used the Schaller bins, take a look on eBay, they usually have package deals, sometimes they have non standard colors that they sell cheaper too. I would imagine that $50 worth of bins would take $20 of filament to make, plus a ton of printing hours, not including any mess ups. If you needed some oddball sizes, then I would print away, but if you can use the off the shelf ones, it would be money well spent.

 

[kent_323is]

You're doing a good job on sorting through and getting organized. One saying we have at work... don't let perfect get in the way of progress.
That said, for the bolt organizer, you could consider one of these from Harbor Freight. It won't break the bank at $170, and it's actually pretty decent. I have this exact one, and I have it loaded up with bolts/nuts/washers/screws. It's on small caster wheels, so you can move it around as your space gets organized. The plastic bins are actually decent quality, and will hold some decent weight. I do not regret this purchase. If you have a good coupon, it gets even cheaper.

74-Bin Mobile Double-Sided Floor Rack

Amazing deals on this 74 Bin Two-Sided Mobile Floor Rack at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

www.harborfreight.com

 

[86turbodsl]

Thank you for the suggestion, but the cabinets i have are where i want to end up, and the rolling cart becomes capital diverted and something else to either throw away or try to sell. The old bins at $10 are showing zero interest on local marketplace. I'll probably have to throw them away.

As far as the schaller bins, my drawers are exactly 3" deep, so as long as i can fit it in that envelope, that would be a quick way to get going and customs for the oddballs makes sense to me. I think one member here noted that printing and schallers was near a wash.

I am almost done sorting SAE fasteners. Don't have a lot of metric. The amount of stainless fasteners i inherited is insane. No way i'll use that many in my lifetime. How many pounds of 1/4-20 stainless bolts do you need??? Anyone want to trade?

Edit: Looked on epay, only schaller cups are from corporate in kits. They aren't really 3" deep even though they say it also. Oh well.

 

[Strouty]

They are designed to fit the 3" drawer that isn't really three inches deep.

 

[bulletpruf]

I've been on the lookout for bolt bins but they just never show up around me for an affordable price.

I looked forever and couldn't find what I wanted. Glad I got the Durham cabinet; really has been a huge help with organization and cuts down on the constant back and forth to Ace Hardware when working on a project.

 

[86turbodsl]

They are designed to fit the 3" drawer that isn't really three inches deep.\

i measured. it's 3" deep.

 

[Strouty]

Not your drawers, the ones they say are three inches deep but aren’t.

 

[86turbodsl]

why would they do that? nobody else can properly measure?

 

[Strouty]

I think that they technically are 3" tall, but the sides are shorter than the front so they make the bins the height of the sides. There are also pieces that clip on to the bins so you can add labels and those stick up a bit too. Lista is designed on metric dimensions, so nothing is ever right on the dimensions.

I just bought a couple cabinets made by these guys, they offer some interesting accessories, take a look at the catalog.

Stor-Loc

 

[86turbodsl]

looks like a vidmar/lista/rouseau competitor. I generally won't pay the thousands those guys want for product. If i had a business, no question. Not as a homeowner/hobbyist.

 

[Strouty]

I was thinking of the draw bins and other things they offer. I haven't priced any yet, but judging by what I have seen, they should be cheaper. After seeing a video of how you remove a drawer and the slides, I will say that Lista is far superior in ease of reconfiguring. If you wanted a box that never comes apart, the Stor-Loc brands side rails have to be beaten out of the uprights and then tabs need to be bent and then it gets beaten back into the slots, they actually use a big chisel and a hammer.

 

[86turbodsl]

wellllll, that was short lived. Came home, found the new server off, wouldn't turn on, took motherboard out of chassis, found water coming out of ram and under cpu. NO IDEA where it came from. Climbed up on top of rack, no evidence of water anywhere. I'm completely stumped. There are water lines sort of above, off to side, and HVAC ducting. No evidence of any water. I think nothing goes in the rack without covers anymore. Back to the ebay waiting game.... sigh...

 

[86turbodsl]

wellllll, that was short lived. Came home, found the new server off, wouldn't turn on, took motherboard out of chassis, found water coming out of ram and under cpu. NO IDEA where it came from. Climbed up on top of rack, no evidence of water anywhere. I'm completely stumped. There are water lines sort of above, off to side, and HVAC ducting. No evidence of any water. I think nothing goes in the rack without covers anymore. Back to the ebay waiting game.... sigh...

Think we found it. For a couple years, the fridge has been making a puddle on the floor in the summer time. i think the drain under the coils is plugged. We found a bare spot on top of the server rack in the basement surrounded by dust that is right next to the venting, right above the motherboard. We think the fridge is probably leaking on the floor, running back along the wall/floor seam, and dripping down to the basement. It's a guess. I'm super PO'd.

 

[86turbodsl]

Got the bore scope and looked around under the fridge, i got nothin. I guess we're going draconian on it on thurs.

 

[bulletpruf]

Hey 86 - anything to update?

 

[86turbodsl]

Went on the us12 garage sale today. Tools a plenty. Update by tomorrow

 

[Strouty]

That sounds like fun!

 

[86turbodsl]

So picked up some tools on Saturday. Wasn't feeling well yesterday so i just lounged around the house.

Here's a photo of what we brought home:


In frame we have everybody's stuff. Wife got a new toaster, i got 3 lanterns, air hoses, bostich palm nailer, yellowjacket digital AC gauge set, snapon freon checker, digital micron gauge, boiler draft gauge, magnahelic differential pressure gauge, a 150lb digital scale and the motorcycle jack.
Also some books. Shop math, welding, and Solidworks.
General for everybody were games, dvd's. Wife also got a hay feeder.

 

[Spareparts]

You have the same problem I have, clean up a small space and go on the hunt to fill it back up, love it

 

[86turbodsl]

You have the same problem I have, clean up a small space and go on the hunt to fill it back up, love it

Hey, at least it was all needed stuff!

I need to do fork seals on the vmax, and always doing AC jobs for people. Palm nailer i've wanted for years.
Lanterns, ah you got me, i got em cheap though.