Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[86turbodsl]

Initial experiments are successful. Oil needs a good bit of preheating though. I think I will run it through a hot tank before it comes to the burner. I was using this for forced air. It worked good once the oil was hot enough. Blast furnaceish.

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[86turbodsl]

Not UNLESS you really give it a good smack, knocking it clean off the tank or cracking the valve or tank bung.

Not saying it would happen but I've seen weirder stuff occur.

Just my 2¢.

I hear you. Reluctant to give up the space though. Might add a guard of some sort.


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[lessersivad]

Initial experiments are successful. Oil needs a good bit of preheating though. I think I will run it through a hot tank before it comes to the burner. I was using this for forced air. It worked good once the oil was hot enough. Blast furnaceish

According to GerrysDiy and 2jeffs1 on u-toob that seems to be the secret. Only they use the container the oil drips into to get the oil to burn (vaporize).

When I was playing around with an old oil furnace I tried preheating the oil method also. It somewhat worked but not as well as I'd hoped for. The Babington burner I made worked pretty decent but adapting it to the furnace wasn't a very easy task.

I ended up abandoning the project, though I still have all the pieces/parts from a few years back.

 

[86turbodsl]

According to GerrysDiy and 2jeffs1 on u-toob that seems to be the secret. Only they use the container the oil drips into to get the oil to burn (vaporize).

When I was playing around with an old oil furnace I tried preheating the oil method also. It somewhat worked but not as well as I'd hoped for. The Babington burner I made worked pretty decent but adapting it to the furnace wasn't a very easy task.

I ended up abandoning the project, though I still have all the pieces/parts from a few years back.

I was originally planning to do a babington, mainly because I don't want to mess around with a lot of filtration, then I saw the drip type burners on YouTube and that makes more sense to me. Clean out the crusties every few weeks and just let er rip.

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[86turbodsl]

Well with the burner test behind me I am going to haul my new shop vac out and clean out the boiler and prep for burner build.

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[lessersivad]

I was originally planning to do a babington, mainly because I don't want to mess around with a lot of filtration, then I saw the drip type burners on YouTube and that makes more sense to me. Clean out the crusties every few weeks and just let er rip.

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Yup. less 'monkey motion' to get the BTU's.

 

[86turbodsl]

I vacuumed out the boiler, put the refractory back in and did a second burner test. It burned quite a bit longer and better with the pan sitting on the refractory. I think if i can get the temps right, it's going to burn great. I really need to get the flue up to the chimney so i don't keep filling the shop with smoke! Also need to come up with a good way of blowing a propane flame on the pot automatically. Thinking a furnace gas valve and oil burner ignition transformer right now. Any thoughts out there?

 

[86turbodsl]

Well lookie what arrived from the UK. Now I can get the floor filled.

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[lessersivad]

Woot! Woot!

 

[86turbodsl]

The water store can't fill my drum of water this weekend so filling the floor will have to wait. In the meantime I moved the tank again. What do you all think of this placement?

It eliminates the trip hazard of the valve, closes up the space a bit and doesn't cover the light switch and outlets and still gives me room to work on the plumbing.



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[lessersivad]

IMHO, I like that (as we say at work), "More Better."

Especially (guess i never noticed before) uncovering the outlet and switch.

 

[Strouty]

It depends on how big you are, 24" would be kinda tight for me. I do like the idea much better, the whole thing begs for a mezzanine over it! Looking at the pictures, I think you could bring it out to the same depth as the copper lines and it would act as a kind of barrier, you would intentionally keep away from the tank and it would be a visual cue to stay away from those lines.

 

[86turbodsl]

It depends on how big you are, 24" would be kinda tight for me. I do like the idea much better, the whole thing begs for a mezzanine over it! Looking at the pictures, I think you could bring it out to the same depth as the copper lines and it would act as a kind of barrier, you would intentionally keep away from the tank and it would be a visual cue to stay away from those lines.

I could probably put some pallet racking over it. Plenty left.

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[Strouty]

I would box the thing in and make it the mechanical room, then you don't have any accidental damage, at least not as easy. It is looking really good and next year you will really feel the benefit!

 

[86turbodsl]

I would box the thing in and make it the mechanical room, then you don't have any accidental damage, at least not as easy. It is looking really good and next year you will really feel the benefit!

That's what I just got rid of! I didn't like that space before I probably wouldn't a second time.

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[Strouty]

I thought that was a much larger room? Shelving over it would be good as well, just want to use the upper space efficiently. That way when you buy your forklift, it will be easy to put things away.

 

[86turbodsl]

It was larger, but I hated the dungeon feel under.

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[86turbodsl]

Installing the water line from the house. Still working it.

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[86turbodsl]

Flew down to Texas to see my brother. We are kicking *** on his project.

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[jbmatth]

Well you can't just leave us with that, what are you working on and what are you doing with it?
JB

 

[86turbodsl]

Well you can't just leave us with that, what are you working on and what are you doing with it?
JB

His project is a early 70s olds convertible. The frame was bad so we got a frame from an el Camino, which is very similar but longer. We chopped 4 in out of the frame and welded it back together. Neither of us had ever done such a thing so we figured it out together.

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[jbmatth]

Great, feel free to share some other photos if you don't mind. I can't say I've ever cut one to shorten it, but did some pretty extensive rework on my '57 frame when I was adding the C4 suspension. I just took lots of measurements and hopefully it'll work out in the end.

JB

 

[86turbodsl]

I don't have any other photos sadly, perhaps he can send me some to post if he chooses.
We did the standard z cut, and plate reinforcement, along with careful measurement and cutting. My main contribution was guidance and the welding. He did a great job with the setup and cutting. It went pretty well I think. Length side to side ended up dead nuts perfect. Before we plated it you couldn't tell almost where the cut was.

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[86turbodsl]

Ok, I got a couple more photos to share. You can start to see our process.
We used tacked on angle iron to guide and locate the mating frame member. Ratchet straps to pull them together.

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[lessersivad]

Nicely done!!

 

[86turbodsl]

Thank you. It really shaped up once we both put our heads together.

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[86turbodsl]

Finished routing the water feed and solar input. Just need to sweat everything together which I will do tomorrow.
Some shots of the routing and an overhead perspective shot. This will be final until I get a solar panel built and mounted. If that doesn't happen for a while it will still work fine.

Large valve to the left is the main building load supply. Small valve above is the boiler shut off. I may add a solenoid to that line so I can shutoff the feed by plc under some circumstances.
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[OldSoldier]

Looks great! Keep up the good work.

 

[86turbodsl]

Thanks Old! I got one of the guys at work to help me with the burner tube. I'll show all that work as soon as i get it done. Still need to come up with a propane gas light setup. I don't think there's any other real functional way to light these drip style burners automatically.

 

[Strouty]

I can't wait until it warms up I think productivity for all of us in the colder areas will increase. I will say you have done far more on your shop than I have been able to accomplish at my place. Your updates are motivational, the frame mods look great, your Brother must be thankful for the help!

 

[86turbodsl]

Thank you, and I agree Strouty, it was pretty cold in there last night, and i didn't make it out there until almost 9pm, but i soldiered on and wrapped up the sweating of all the remaining copper. I'm moving on to the burner now, so i'll be detailing that soon and the controls too. I can't imagine what you guys out on the east coast are dealing with lately. It's been merely cold here.

I do believe my brother was quite happy how that frame turned out. We made a date 7 years from then to be driving our convertibles together. I have the fairlane convert i desperately want to finish, among other projects. I've got to get the truck done too, it's supposed to haul me and the missus up to Alaska for our 25th anniversary in a couple of years. And all the stuff i have to run through the woodshop, etc etc. It's a neverending slog...

 

[86turbodsl]

I spent some time discussing my burner design with a friend last night and it's become very clear that burner development will take some time. Due to the automatic lighting i require on this build. I think we have the design workable, but the build will take some time to figure out. It will still be a drip type oil burner, and i will be able to build that portion very easily, but the gas portion is tougher and will take some development, specifically on the ignition and delivery part. So i don't think i can do more than a few manual burns yet this year to be able to get the floor heated, so it will be manual eyes-on burns on weekends probably. With that said, i'll show progress as it happens and start to work on other things as we move into spring. Mainly getting the big door open, and finishing the building insulation.

 

[86turbodsl]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention i pressure tested last night and found no leaks. I think i'm good to fill.

 

[86turbodsl]

Floor has been filled with deionized water for flush and 5 gals of methanol, followed by fernox. It looks like the pump is not functional. I need to yank it out again for testing.

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[86turbodsl]

Pump had a stuck rotor. Back in and functional. Lots of gurgling while it's purging.

I should make a note to anybody wanting to use methanol for antifreeze - it's great for lowering pump energy used, and it's much cheaper than glycol, but it is VERY flammable, and you have to be very very careful to not ingest any or get it on your skin. Something like 15ml is fatal. I wore nitrile gloves and eye shield while handling. No open flames anywhere.

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[86turbodsl]

The last few days I've struggled to make progress. Wife is out of town so chores are ramped up. I did build this last night. Part of my HVAC plan is that my burner will use forced air to enhance the burn, and I don't want that air to come from the heated space. I cut a hole through to the exterior wall in the lean to and installed a 3in PVC pipe. Then built this box to hold a blower fan.
The fan is from my junk box.
The box is made of 2 by 8 and plywood laminated and cut in the shape of the fan.
Backside is sealed with rope gasket.
The fan sits in the box and a cap holds it in.
I have a cap for the bottom that holds a 1.25in hose Barb. Then a hose to the burner will be added.

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[jbmatth]

I'm definitely not an expert but wouldn't pulling in the warmer air from inside the shop help combustion more than the cold air from outside? I like the way you mounted the fan, simple and effective.

JB

 

[86turbodsl]

Thank you. The trouble with inside air is I've already paid to heat it and then exhausting it up the flue means it gets replaced from outside thru cracks.

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[jbmatth]

Makes sense, looking forward to seeing how this all works out in the end. I'm sure you will love having a nice warm shop next winter.
JB

 

[86turbodsl]

Makes sense, looking forward to seeing how this all works out in the end. I'm sure you will love having a nice warm shop next winter.
JB

Thank you. I am just sorry I missed the window this winter. I just don't work very fast in the chaos. I need organization bad.

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