To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.

Strouty

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 21, 2010
Messages
38,215
Location
Southern Maine
I have an entire drawer full of wire stickers with numbers on them. I use them whenever possible, they all came from a $5 auction pallet, best $5 I spent in a long time. I would guess that it will be a "lifetime" supply for me.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Sweet. Wish I found some in an auction. I'm alright without labels for now. Simple system really.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Blar! Doing some research this morning i think i need to add more 24V outputs. I'm up to 7 on a 8 output module. I think i need at least 2 more since i can't directly control the VFD via modbus with the CPU in the PLC. The D2-240 doesn't speak modbus. So i was planning to output discrete DC to turn it on and off and a variable voltage to control speed. That could be avoided by moving to the D2-250 cpu i already have, but i didn't want to burn that high $$$ cpu on just the boiler. I was hoping to save it for a future beer brew stand since the 250 is the lowest CPU that has PID controls.

I think i make life too complicated.
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Lol.

I got tired of school after my bachelors.

I found a 16 point output module in the pile last night. I love automation direct stuff. I pulled the old module, swapped wires over to the new module and plugged it in. Everything worked just like before, but now i have 8 more outputs. Done in 15 minutes. Gotta love it.

Shop is staying at about 50F without running, so i think i'm over the hump. Going to focus on cleanup and getting the burner upgrade done as well as working on my sons truck.
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Yeah it's fun. Especially when it works!

The 16pt module I swapped in wasn't working until I realized I needed to supply power to it. The old one didn't need it.

Added some terminal blocks and wrote code to control the preheat tank fill. It works well. Hope to start cleaning up by tomorrow.

Feet are frozen. Going inside.

01fb7e1f6fa70fae63ab9d165df523be.jpg

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 

Attachments

  • 01fb7e1f6fa70fae63ab9d165df523be.jpg
    01fb7e1f6fa70fae63ab9d165df523be.jpg
    96.3 KB · Views: 0
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
I finally got the temp sensing working last night. Correctly wired a rtd transmitter and signal into the plc. It moves when I touch it. Now I need to calibrate them and write code to make it usable.

A buddy at work gave me a decade box that will get me calibrated.

Getting closer. Once it get the first one worked out, I'll roll out the rest and we will have some true automation. Once it get it started I can walk away a bit. Or even do an overnight burn.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Mom gave me one of dad's compressors. Good tide me over until I get the quincies going.7d3f3d1d1e6d2c645039ad80192e6a7d.jpg

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 

Attachments

  • 7d3f3d1d1e6d2c645039ad80192e6a7d.jpg
    7d3f3d1d1e6d2c645039ad80192e6a7d.jpg
    171.9 KB · Views: 0
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Tucked into it's new spot. Need to power and plumb it yet.25676dfea175a6fb315747d3a2ed2cb9.jpg

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 

Attachments

  • 25676dfea175a6fb315747d3a2ed2cb9.jpg
    25676dfea175a6fb315747d3a2ed2cb9.jpg
    119.5 KB · Views: 0

Strouty

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 21, 2010
Messages
38,215
Location
Southern Maine
I played that game, when I got my first Quincy, I sold the IR that I had to help nudge me into fixing the Quincy, a few years later......

It feels like winter again, I am saying that after Wednesday, there is no more cold allowed.
 

OldSoldier

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 14, 2011
Messages
131
Location
DFW
The compressor looks good there. Since it is in the lean-to I imagine it will be pretty quiet inside when you are using it. Do you think you'll have any issues with moisture on humid days in the summer?
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
I would expect i have to drain the compressor regularly, especially in the summer. I did look quite a bit about compressors exposed to cold temps and the only thing i found was that they can be harder to start in the cold. THe usual fix is to go synthetic. As this compressor was quite loud when i've used in the past, i didn't really want it in the shop. If it works well enough to get the quincy(s) done and installed/painted, i think they will be quieter. This one has an aluminum pump, so it's probably not rated for the kind of duty i expect to put it through. If i remember right it took quite a long while to pump up too, so i think the pump isn't that large. It doesn't even have a mag starter on it, so i think it might be on the edge of the capacity of the pressure switch. nameplate says 22Amps. i have to look up that and see what the real capacity is. Coleman suffered the compressor overstatement issue too.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Yep, looked up the rule of thumb for single phase motors is 7amps per hp, and this one at 22amps puts it a hair over 3hp actual. Coleman calls it a 6.5hp compressor. Sure. Cfm is around 10. It'll work for now.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
I wired the compressor tonight. It's loud, but only outside. Can't really hear it inside. Love having air again. Now I have to get my lines setup.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
f86517f8a851974764434184bbcd0085.jpg
 

Attachments

  • f86517f8a851974764434184bbcd0085.jpg
    f86517f8a851974764434184bbcd0085.jpg
    93.5 KB · Views: 1
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
I am pumped. I taught my boy how to mig weld tonight. And he liked it. :) Happy dance! He's going to be working with me as i teach him all the processes. He may even turn it into a career. We shall see! Woot!
 

1Garageman

Well-known member
Joined
May 12, 2009
Messages
4,417
Location
Columbus, Ohio
That is awesome teaching your kids how to do things. I have greatly saved a lot of money with what my father taught me, and I enjoy doing it. He will definitely appreciate it later on in life!
 

Perrorojo

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 8, 2012
Messages
1,766
Location
Northern IN
I am pumped. I taught my boy how to mig weld tonight. And he liked it. :) Happy dance! He's going to be working with me as i teach him all the processes. He may even turn it into a career. We shall see! Woot!

That's awesome. My son has no interest but my daughter wants to learn so she can do metal sculptures.
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Thanks guys. I hope so. I really wanted to pass along some of my knowledge to my kids. So far, they've been mostly interested in their devices. My boy seems like he's getting hungry for an income though, so i'm seeing positive changes.
 

Bert_

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2016
Messages
9,717
Location
NW Iowa
Yep, looked up the rule of thumb for single phase motors is 7amps per hp, and this one at 22amps puts it a hair over 3hp actual. Coleman calls it a 6.5hp compressor. Sure. Cfm is around 10. It'll work for now.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk

5 amps per HP is pretty close for 240V single phase motors. Some of the larger 5hp+ motors can be closer to 4 amps per HP, especially newer premium efficiency motors.
 

Strouty

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 21, 2010
Messages
38,215
Location
Southern Maine
It is tough these days, most school systems don’t have a handle on reality and teach kids to become good little factory workers. My nephew is 12 and he has some interest in mechanical things, but not as much as my brother and I did at his age. I think the hardest part is that the things the kids use these days are not easily user serviceable, so it makes it tough to find a common ground project, one that you know about and they are interested in, that can be fixed or upgraded.
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
I think it helps I'm into older stuff that is repairable. All of our vehicles are older except the wife's lease car. But I hear you.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 

Perrorojo

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 8, 2012
Messages
1,766
Location
Northern IN
5 amps per HP is pretty close for 240V single phase motors. Some of the larger 5hp+ motors can be closer to 4 amps per HP, especially newer premium efficiency motors.

We use Watts at work so you can figure Amps based on Voltage. Approximately 746 watts per HP. I work mostly with inverters and everybody wants to run an air conditioner of a 1200wh battery bank and a 160w solar panel.
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
If you go by wattage and claimed amps, the equation says 7hp. I don't for a second believe a 7hp motor runs off the standard pressure switch. No mag starter remember? And that's at 100pct efficiency. It's a Coleman, more likely a cheap motor. I believe 60 to 70pct efficient, no more. It might hit 4hp. Not 5 for sure.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
Tried to go to town and the truck was starving for fuel. It's been like that on the rear for a while, now it was on the front. Got fairly Draconian with it yesterday.

Found lots of little plastic bits in the tanks from the grenaded pickups. Common high mile Ford problem. I'm sure the selector valve is full.

Question is whether I put a 38 gallon rear in, or just fix the 19.

ef93b7a1c5a197a7b8fae2673e5771f3.jpge01c8bd97c6ca18c9172652e4fdaccb2.jpg824d06792b67d9e7320c4f37697f59b6.jpg511025e366804f38f3e5eca6fbfddaea.jpg

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 

Attachments

  • 824d06792b67d9e7320c4f37697f59b6.jpg
    824d06792b67d9e7320c4f37697f59b6.jpg
    175.7 KB · Views: 0
  • e01c8bd97c6ca18c9172652e4fdaccb2.jpg
    e01c8bd97c6ca18c9172652e4fdaccb2.jpg
    144.2 KB · Views: 0
  • ef93b7a1c5a197a7b8fae2673e5771f3.jpg
    ef93b7a1c5a197a7b8fae2673e5771f3.jpg
    140.8 KB · Views: 0
  • 511025e366804f38f3e5eca6fbfddaea.jpg
    511025e366804f38f3e5eca6fbfddaea.jpg
    164.6 KB · Views: 0

matt_i

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 14, 2008
Messages
10,725
Location
SE Michigan
Question is whether I put a 38 gallon rear in, or just fix the 19.

This is twin 18s or 19s? I think I would keep the dual tanks. There's something nice about having that backup fuel pump on board :).

I have a GM custom deluxe of similar configuration, replaced all of the pumps and selector valve in '04. But somehow last fall I blew out an exterior flex hose on one of the pumps, was pumping a gallon per mile on the road....gotta tear it apart just like that to get it going again.

Good tough trucks, just a little slower and thirstier than a turbodiesel. But....the monthly payment on these old trucks is right on!! :beer:
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
It's got twin 19s. I thought about the 38g rear tank and keep the front tank. Up the total. I get about 14mpg. Even diesel. Crew dually 4.10s. big slow truck. I took the valve off, it was stuck and unrepairable. Need a new one. There's only one pump after the tanks.

Sent from my LG-TP450 using Tapatalk
 
OP
8

86turbodsl

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
6,556
Location
Michigan
I decided to save the cash and stick with the 19 gallon rear tank. I think i'm going to just put a hose on the pipe down to the bottom so i don't have to worry about this problem again. Now to clean the tanks out and get them back installed. I have to cut off the crappy homemade gooseneck hitch first and get my B&W installed.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom