Strouty
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Great, at least someone is making progress.
Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop
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Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.
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86turbodsl
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Ramps are installed, and the lift is functional. Now i need to figure out what car to put on it.
The convertible is holding air on 3 tires, and is lighter, easier to pull up on it. The coupe is flat all tires, but needs less work to get moving. No place to sit in the convert to steer up on there though. And it would be backwards. And i can put yellow car in gear. Convert needs chocks. Decisions, decisions...
Also ordered the correct (i think) tap for the bases on the 2 post Benwil and the hardware to mount the posts to the bases. Damn metric ****. Of course the Benwil parts diagrams available don't give sizes, as they probably want to sell you a $20 ea bolt instead of a commodity. I figured it out and ordered Mcmaster. The original parts diagram actually STATES a split spring washer. Those things are GARBAGE. Fastener class guy years ago said throw em all away. I engineered a fastener for the application, best i can get without a custom fastener. M16, 10.9, 48mm thread engagement. Should be plenty. Heck, an M6 with 2 diameters in aluminum has 1000lbs pullout strength. What's an M16 with ~ 2 inches in steel? A LOT.
The convertible is holding air on 3 tires, and is lighter, easier to pull up on it. The coupe is flat all tires, but needs less work to get moving. No place to sit in the convert to steer up on there though. And it would be backwards. And i can put yellow car in gear. Convert needs chocks. Decisions, decisions...
Also ordered the correct (i think) tap for the bases on the 2 post Benwil and the hardware to mount the posts to the bases. Damn metric ****. Of course the Benwil parts diagrams available don't give sizes, as they probably want to sell you a $20 ea bolt instead of a commodity. I figured it out and ordered Mcmaster. The original parts diagram actually STATES a split spring washer. Those things are GARBAGE. Fastener class guy years ago said throw em all away. I engineered a fastener for the application, best i can get without a custom fastener. M16, 10.9, 48mm thread engagement. Should be plenty. Heck, an M6 with 2 diameters in aluminum has 1000lbs pullout strength. What's an M16 with ~ 2 inches in steel? A LOT.
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bulletpruf
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Ditto on the autos. It's my only vintage car with a slushbox. All the others are 4 or 5 on the floor or 3 on the tree...
It'll be nice to be able to stack cars; that's what I use mine for. I can fit 2 cars in a garage that should be able to fit one after I filled it up with tools.
As for what one you'll put on the bottom, I would put the most mobile one on the bottom.
jbmatth
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Out of curiosity why so much thread engagement? In my experience with one bolt diameter of threads used it is almost always sufficient unless the female threads are in a softer material.
X2 on the most mobile one on the bottom, you never know when you may have to push it out of the way to move something around.
Awesome work you do on so many different things, makes me feel lazy.
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X2 on the most mobile one on the bottom, you never know when you may have to push it out of the way to move something around.
Awesome work you do on so many different things, makes me feel lazy.
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86turbodsl
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JB,
2D would have been enough probably. I'm an overkill kinda guy. Pullout strength in steel on that fastener is about 30,000 lbs each. There's only 4 bolts on each column. I try to engineer about 5X safety factor on any lift part.
2D would have been enough probably. I'm an overkill kinda guy. Pullout strength in steel on that fastener is about 30,000 lbs each. There's only 4 bolts on each column. I try to engineer about 5X safety factor on any lift part.
jbmatth
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I agree that overkill is underrated but really wanted to know, that's a ton of threads. Keep it up and keep that cold weather and white stuff up there if you don't mind helping us out.
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Strouty
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I don’t wish snow on anyone, that is just downright mean. 
I would put whatever is easiest to get onto the ramps on the ramps, you can use dollies, floor jacks, or magic carpets on the floor, the ramps are very particular.
I would put whatever is easiest to get onto the ramps on the ramps, you can use dollies, floor jacks, or magic carpets on the floor, the ramps are very particular.
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86turbodsl
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Current thought from most people i've asked is convert is easier. I'll probably do that. Just chock the wheels.
rattle_snake
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Please elaborate with relevant engineering jargon on the lack of love for split spring washers, thanks.
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86turbodsl
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My notes on it are at work. I might make it there by Thurs. The class was specifically on fasteners, taught by a guy named Bengt Blendulf. He was an engineering fastener guru who taught classes to engineers all over the world. I don't remember the specific reasons he said they were junk. I remember him clearly telling us all to throw em out and never use em again.
Strouty
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I remember him, he was the super hero on one of the Simpson episodes, right?
I am curious as well, we use them in tower erection all the time, never had an engineer say anything. Might be in certain situations they are a problem, but they definitely do what they are supposed to on most every application I have dealt with, they keep a nut from loosening when there is vibration.
I am curious as well, we use them in tower erection all the time, never had an engineer say anything. Might be in certain situations they are a problem, but they definitely do what they are supposed to on most every application I have dealt with, they keep a nut from loosening when there is vibration.
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86turbodsl
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I have had more broken spring washers fall out of joints than i can count.
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Bob Heine
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With all that open space I would start feeling dizzy. I'm used to fainting on waist high piles of stuff -- that's a long way down with a very hard place to land.
Strouty
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Great work, that must feel awesome!
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Thanks guys! It does feel pretty good. It was a lot of work though, and with what i spent on the lift, i don't think i saved any money.
Once again, we see there's no free lunch. You're paying either in time or money.
It sure does feel good to get all that floorium back though.
Once again, we see there's no free lunch. You're paying either in time or money.
It sure does feel good to get all that floorium back though.
bulletpruf
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WooHoo!!! Fairlanes!!!
Can you please remind us what the deal is on these cars? Drivetrain, condition, plan for rebuild/restore, etc? I'm pretty sure I asked this at some point, but it's been a few years.
Also, as I may have said before, I have a sh*t load of '66-'67 Fairlane parts, so let me know what your needs are.
Can you please remind us what the deal is on these cars? Drivetrain, condition, plan for rebuild/restore, etc? I'm pretty sure I asked this at some point, but it's been a few years.
Also, as I may have said before, I have a sh*t load of '66-'67 Fairlane parts, so let me know what your needs are.
OldSoldier
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Nice job, 86! A great milestone in your shop reclamation project.
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Thanks guys!
The yellow coupe is my first car, since 16yr old. Even got married in it. It had a 289 C4, pretty much a gramma car, over the years its changed into a 351W / toploader. About 400hp. It needs a restoration at this point, although the engine has only a couple thousand miles on it.
The convertible is a Texas field car, strangely optioned with a manual top and air conditioning. No drivetrain. After i got it up on the lift, i can see for the first time that it's fairly solid, except for the holes in the floor because of rain sitting. The interior is totally gone. Plan is a restomod, daily type car, i may take the 351 from the coupe and use it, and have been thinking of building a firebreather cleveland for the coupe. I have a 400M a buddy gave me, been thinking of building a 427 stroker with that, just to be different. I know the windsor would be easier, but it's been done to death. Who builds clevelands anymore? nobody.
The yellow coupe is my first car, since 16yr old. Even got married in it. It had a 289 C4, pretty much a gramma car, over the years its changed into a 351W / toploader. About 400hp. It needs a restoration at this point, although the engine has only a couple thousand miles on it.
The convertible is a Texas field car, strangely optioned with a manual top and air conditioning. No drivetrain. After i got it up on the lift, i can see for the first time that it's fairly solid, except for the holes in the floor because of rain sitting. The interior is totally gone. Plan is a restomod, daily type car, i may take the 351 from the coupe and use it, and have been thinking of building a firebreather cleveland for the coupe. I have a 400M a buddy gave me, been thinking of building a 427 stroker with that, just to be different. I know the windsor would be easier, but it's been done to death. Who builds clevelands anymore? nobody.
bimmer1980
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Good deal on getting the lift operational and loaded up!! I've been following along with your project.
Now do you have to circle back to the floor heat boiler issue? or has that been running? Hopefully with your momentum you can get it squared away!
Now do you have to circle back to the floor heat boiler issue? or has that been running? Hopefully with your momentum you can get it squared away!
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Thanks Bimmer, no i haven't had to run the boiler yet. It's been dancing around freezing and then coming back up a ways. Today is 46, and near 50 thru Saturday. It's been enough to keep it off.
I will have to work on it eventually, but focus right now is functional shop and lifts so i can get maintenance on cars done. With the space opened back up, i need to clean, then we have a transmission flush scheduled before the 2 post goes in. I probably can't get the lift up before it turns cold again, so we will just bite the bullet and do jackstands.
I will have to work on it eventually, but focus right now is functional shop and lifts so i can get maintenance on cars done. With the space opened back up, i need to clean, then we have a transmission flush scheduled before the 2 post goes in. I probably can't get the lift up before it turns cold again, so we will just bite the bullet and do jackstands.
macgyver37
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I think the Aussies are building Cleveland motors...
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86turbodsl
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True, but a lot of the good parts are only down there. There's also oiling issues, but those are solvable.
Cranks, they all need work.
Cranks, they all need work.
jbmatth
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Congrats on getting them stacked, that is a huge relief I'm sure.
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1Garageman
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Great job on that lift! That will come in handy for many reasons.
bulletpruf
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I like the idea of building a Cleveland, too. Oiling issues can be addressed.
rattle_snake
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Well done getting through challenges with lift refurb and install. Smooth sailing from here.
Since I'm a Ford guy, motor head and engineer, I would type a wall of text about Ford V8 engine family nuances but I spare everyone this time.
I think it is cool to retain unique engines in the vehicles that could have come with them. I'd rock a C in a Pantera...
That said you can now get started on back half and tub job to fit the steamroller meats needed to hook up all that Windsor or Cleveland power.
Since I'm a Ford guy, motor head and engineer, I would type a wall of text about Ford V8 engine family nuances but I spare everyone this time.
I think it is cool to retain unique engines in the vehicles that could have come with them. I'd rock a C in a Pantera...
That said you can now get started on back half and tub job to fit the steamroller meats needed to hook up all that Windsor or Cleveland power.
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RATTLESNAKE. i like the way you think.....
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Progress has slowed significantly. I have been slammed at work and also have to be on-site for a while. Minimal time to work on things at night. I will post more when I can.
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Had a few minutes tonight to lay out the 2 post frames. Heating up the boiler to get line locations for one post then sink the holes tomorrow.
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Well the boiler line check did not work well. I think the heat in the tank wasn't enough to put into the slab to get the stripes to show by the tail end of the run, which is where it will run past the post towards the north wall. I think i will let it run longer tonight and see if i can see it.
In the meantime, i actually got to do a tire swap to winter tires on my car INSIDE my shop. First time ever. I can start to see why people like to work on cars inside... LOL.
Also ordered the last of the steel i needed to finish a couple of projects, including my Steevo workbench. I may actually have time to work on that over Christmas break.
AND i can also see now that my plan to have the posts for the 4 post and 2 post line up will work great. When loading or unloading the 4 post, i will be able to drive straight through the 2 post lift and out of the shop. There's a slight jog to get angled out of the door, but as long as i don't park anything big next to the welding table, it will work pretty well. Putting the 2 post further into the building was the plan all those years ago, and i am glad it's going to work out. This will give me about 12-14 ft between the front of the car on the 2 post and the cars in the 4 post, which is enough to pull an engine or whatever easily.
In the meantime, i actually got to do a tire swap to winter tires on my car INSIDE my shop. First time ever. I can start to see why people like to work on cars inside... LOL.
Also ordered the last of the steel i needed to finish a couple of projects, including my Steevo workbench. I may actually have time to work on that over Christmas break.
AND i can also see now that my plan to have the posts for the 4 post and 2 post line up will work great. When loading or unloading the 4 post, i will be able to drive straight through the 2 post lift and out of the shop. There's a slight jog to get angled out of the door, but as long as i don't park anything big next to the welding table, it will work pretty well. Putting the 2 post further into the building was the plan all those years ago, and i am glad it's going to work out. This will give me about 12-14 ft between the front of the car on the 2 post and the cars in the 4 post, which is enough to pull an engine or whatever easily.
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rattle_snake
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I have a bad idea for you. Sell the comfortable reliable Audi and dump all the money into one of the Fairlanes and use that as your DD.
What are the dimensions of your shop?
What are the dimensions of your shop?
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86turbodsl
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Lol. That's a non starter in the snowy north. Salt trucks are out today. Snowing.
Shop is 40x64.
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rattle_snake
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Yes, understood. Another bad idea would be to put a Fairlane body on 4x4 chassis. Pretty sure you would need to grow a mullet first....
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86turbodsl
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Omg. What a waste. Lol. With what these things cost these days I don't think I could stomach it.
Fairlanes are in the stratosphere these days.
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Fairlanes are in the stratosphere these days.
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Strouty
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The best four wheel drive car conversion I have ever seen was an cutlass supreme that used a all wheel drive from a S10 chassis.
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cool vid. I actually had a dream about 20 years ago, to make one of the Fairlanes AWD using the AWD system out of an Astro. Told my brother about it, he said i'd make it into one of the magazines if i did it. Then life and kids and everything got in the way and it never happened. Then i bought an Audi and the dream faded. I love the drivetrain in those things, but not especially in love with the V8's with the aluminum bores. Several guys have tried to put Chev V8's in Audi's, if you can make that fit, i think that's about perfect for a DD. But non-Audi V8s are usually too long to fit well.
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I've had a couple days to run the heat tank and dump into a circuit around the 2 post lift and from what can tell from pics and heat camera, it looks like i made the empty spaces too wide, which is biasing the lines towards the wall too much, which is going to offset my lift positions a little unless i can do a better job with heat camera. The problem is it's cold now, and the heater element in teh tank can't put enough heat into that one line to get a good signal through the slab. It is sucking off too much heat and the end of the line is where the signature i need is. I might have to either boost the wattage by going to 240V, or run the boiler to get enough heat into it to see the line clearly. I've been avoiding turning the boiler on until the 2 post is done. Ugh, it's always something.