Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[rattle_snake]

So on that 7231, are you planning to machine down and spline the existing output shaft? And then custom fabricate an adapter to go from it to the 205?

 

[Strouty]

You might want to try and just mate the 203 gearbox, it wouldn't be as heavy once you removed the transfer case portion. The doubler transfer case used this setup/

 

[rattle_snake]

The 203 is a gear reduction where as the 7231 is an overdrive so not quite the same. But it would be even cooler to put all 3 together for 'trippler' setup. 7231, 203 range box and then the 205. 8 speed transfer case/OD thingy.

 

[86turbodsl]

So on that 7231, are you planning to machine down and spline the existing output shaft? And then custom fabricate an adapter to go from it to the 205?

Correct. The output shaft is 1.962" diameter, and a ford 205 input is 31 spline and about 1.4" so there's a mountain of meat there to work with. I have to tear it apart anyway to replace bearings. All gears look great. Not a bad buy for about $500. They're usually near 2k on evilbay.
The plan is a married 7231/205, place the 205 rear output at same distance from rear as the front and have 2 identical CV shafts front and rear. Since tcase will be back so far, i'll run a front shaft carrier and eliminate the rear carrier bearing. The length of the cv shafts will depend on where that carrier ends up. So step one is get a trans crossmember built that can house a carrier bearing and set that front shaft distance. Then i will place the tcase and last step is build the intermediate shaft. All shafts are custom, but maybe i can get a discount building 2 of the same. Intermediate will be short enough i can build in house and save some coin. That will be a wierd one. 1350 / 1480 combo. The old output was a 1610. Talk about HUGE!

 

[86turbodsl]

You might want to try and just mate the 203 gearbox, it wouldn't be as heavy once you removed the transfer case portion. The doubler transfer case used this setup/

It would be pointless to have that much reduction. This rig won't be such a ********* offroad rock crawler i'd need it. The 7231 has a 2.14 underdrive. Combine that with the 1.96 205 low, and i'm down as low as a doubler anyway. It would just add extra sticks in cab.
With a twin sticked 205 and the 7231 sticks, i'm looking at 4 sticks plus the shifter in cab already. It'll already be really busy looking.
The truck is being built for expedition duty so that maybe someday before we die, we can go to Alaska for a month with camper assuming the Canadians get their heads out of their butts and open the border back up so we can drive there.

 

[rattle_snake]

Ah I missed that the 7231 is a 3 speed box with both under/over. Well that is pretty cool, I could use something like that in my truck if it wasn't so huge. In some ways a 6 speed auto can do similar, 6R1xx. 1st is way lower than my current c6 and then get the OD gears too. Just time and money...

 

[86turbodsl]

Yeah, there were a lot of different spicer aux boxes. The 7000 series was rated for 700ftlb engine input. The 2 i think means iron case, 3 means 3 speeds and i forget what 1 means. There were various ratios depending on your needs. 2.14 and 1.24 underdrives, and direct, and 0.86 and 0.74 OD. I figured a built PSD might be a little tough on the smaller 5000 series, you never see 6000 series and 7000s are common like dirt. It's big, but it'll never break in my lifetime. and i can tow heavy with it if i want. Ideally i'd have a 0.86 OD, but i've never seen one. That box would turn a 4.11 into a 3.55 gear. It's a little steep at 0.74, but i figure it'll only be unloaded when i run in double OD. The engine's got torque. And i live in flatland.

 

[Strouty]

I confused myself. For some reason I didn't realize it was a 4x4 truck, it makes more sense now.

 

[86turbodsl]

Well, it's 2wd now, but this is how i get it to 4x4.

 

[bimmer1980]

Did you get your kid's truck done and out of the shop?

 

[86turbodsl]

Truck is out of the shop, has been degreased. Engine is on stand, we just found the last of the leaks yesterday. Today we're prepping for the m/t swap. We've located a factory driveshaft a couple hours away. that's probably next weekend's task. Hope the thing is back together by then, but depends on if the crossmember we have will work.

 

[Strouty]

Well, it's 2wd now, but this is how i get it to 4x4.

That makes me feel a little better, I know I am not totally crazy.

Good like on the trans swap, I would bet the crossmember can be moved fairly easily if needed. If not, I have faith that you can come up with something completely over engineered in typical GJ fashion.

 

[bulletpruf]

Well, it's 2wd now, but this is how i get it to 4x4.

Can you remind us of the year and drivetrain? I have an '87 crew cab dually with a 6.9 and ZF-5. You apparently couldn't get a 4WD in this configuration, but plenty of folks have converted one, and I'm thinking about it, too. Seems that most prefer to use a Super Duty front diff w/coil springs.

 

[rattle_snake]

I hear 2wd to 4wd conversions are quick and easy even with several other concurrent projects.

 

[86turbodsl]

Can you remind us of the year and drivetrain? I have an '87 crew cab dually with a 6.9 and ZF-5. You apparently couldn't get a 4WD in this configuration, but plenty of folks have converted one, and I'm thinking about it, too. Seems that most prefer to use a Super Duty front diff w/coil springs.

97 F350 crew dually XLT/ZF5 Powerstroke. Hens tooth. Loaded 5 speed. Centurion made 4x4 conversions, but yes, no dually 4x4 until superdooty years.

I don't want to do superduty axles because the metric pattern means i'm locked into expensive wheels. That, and the unit bearing D60 fronts are AWFUL.

 

[86turbodsl]

We ran into a snag on the kids truck. The new clutch kit didn't come with pressure plate bolts. the pressure plate and flywheel combo didn't come with locating pins so it needs shouldered bolts for retaining location, and nobody local has them. summit had them so that should be here tomorrow. We hope. In the meantime, the rest of the parts are ready, we got the block plate and flywheel installed, ****** and slave are done, just waiting to marry them. Put in a new crank seal for good measure, the ZF is an earlier S5-42 so the case has to split to replace seal, i'm going to take a chance it's still ok. It looked dry. We're going to pickup driveshaft on saturday morning, hopefully pickup a crossmember while we're there. We're leaving the tcase shifter off until he gets a TTB in the truck. Shouldn't be an issue.

supposed to be 80F this weekend, if it doesn't rain, and i can get off my **** early enough, we might actually get the thing running by this weekend. I'd also like to move some things around in the shop, but we'll see if we have the time.

 

[bulletpruf]

97 F350 crew dually XLT/ZF5 Powerstroke. Hens tooth. Loaded 5 speed. Centurion made 4x4 conversions, but yes, no dually 4x4 until superdooty years.

I don't want to do superduty axles because the metric pattern means i'm locked into expensive wheels. That, and the unit bearing D60 fronts are AWFUL.

I hear you. There's a F250 4x4 local to me that has a 7.3 IDI and a ZF-5. It's $2k, but that's all I would need for the swap, and I may need the 7.3 as well.

 

[86turbodsl]

Be careful with 7.3IDI. Make sure it's had the coolant additive added regularly. Those engines put pinholes in the cylinder walls because of how thin walls are. And for what it's worth, the 3/4 ton TTB is a weird bird. The spring packs twist during articulation. I don't like it, although a stock one in good condition does ride ok. The hot ticket is a 86-97 D60 solid axle with V code superduty springs on a reverse spring solid front mount. I hear those ride like a dream.

 

[86turbodsl]

going for broke today. we picked up my kids's driveshafts this morning, and this afternoon i'm going nuts with the forklifts. I have unloaded the whole mezzanine, plywood is all in the lean-to, hoping to get the mezz moved to the side of the wall tonight. If i can dial down the beer.... doh. It's 80F today. Totally nuts weather. 45F earlier this week, now 80F, and 40s later this week. I need to move all the motorcycles out, and multiple 100lb cast iron parts of wood tools. And the pallet jack has died. It won't pump up anymore. It sat outside for a couple weeks while the kid's truck got worked on. I'm out of room. Hopefully tonights activity fixes some of that. I've got feelers out for more pallet racking, but so far, nothing is firing. Thank god for the Namco. That thing is awesome. Just keeps on chugging...

 

[bulletpruf]

Be careful with 7.3IDI. Make sure it's had the coolant additive added regularly. Those engines put pinholes in the cylinder walls because of how thin walls are. And for what it's worth, the 3/4 ton TTB is a weird bird. The spring packs twist during articulation. I don't like it, although a stock one in good condition does ride ok. The hot ticket is a 86-97 D60 solid axle with V code superduty springs on a reverse spring solid front mount. I hear those ride like a dream.

Yes, I'm familiar with the IDI specific problems.

I found a ball joint D60 local to me from a 1990 DRW truck, and it includes everything I would need for my swap. Thanks for the tip on SD springs.

 

[86turbodsl]

I'm fairly killing myself this weekend. My back is killing me. Could barely move when i got up. And i slept terrible.

Here's where we are: The mezzanine was unloaded, the shop looks like a tornado hit, the mezzanine is half disassembled and moved to it's new location, it *LOOKS* like we have room for the lift, but i need to get it placed to be sure. If for some reason i don't have the room, i'll get a pair of new uprights that is skinnier than 48" and replace one of the 48" with it. Pics for enjoyment.

 

[86turbodsl]

That Namco is a lifesaver. It can turn around almost in it's own footprint, and moved the mezzanine easily. Just shoving it even. I really need to get a platform welded up so i can get the bikes up there. They are just eating so much floor space. Ideally i only have a couple down in the summer and everything up there in the winter.

And i can see there isn't going to be much space on the end of the mezzanine for anything. What can i store or put in a 4x8 space that is of any use? Plywood storage on end or something? Roll a cart in there? The 4 post lift will be a little bit in the way also. Not sure.

 

[Bob Heine]

Sounds like a lot of first-world problems. Where to store my motorcycles and where to put the lift? I envy you (a little).

 

[86turbodsl]

Bob, dont envy me. You dont want this disease.

 

[Strouty]

Sounds like the puzzle is starting to take shape, be careful with your back though, you are no good to us with a bad back.

 

[Strouty]

I wasn't in my thread, sorry to post in yours for no reason.....

I guess I did get a couple pictures. I am going to have to setup a grapple on the Mitsu, it is really nice to move lots of **** around relatively quickly. Only issue is you almost need to machines, one with a grapple, one with a bucket, it isn’t a quick swap to go back and forth. I did get pretty good feeding the chipper with it, but my Brother’s Kubota has such a small cab, it is actually painful on my knees getting in and out, you have to be a contortionist or 5’4” and 125 pounds.

 

[86turbodsl]

Lol. You are definitely not 5'4" and 125 lbs...

Yesterday after work i went down to Indiana and picked up some class 3 forklift forks. I'm trading a guy for a barrel clamp for my outdoor forklift. Once i get that figured out, i'll be able to sort and empty the ~30ish 55 gal barrels of oil on my south property line. Putting the contents into 275G totes that can be forked around and free up barrels for more collection. With gas/diesel prices being what they are, i am likely to put some effort into biodiesel later this year. A buddy gave me his old processor. I don't need another hobby, but there is a limit to my pocket cash.

 

[86turbodsl]

Sounds like the puzzle is starting to take shape, be careful with your back though, you are no good to us with a bad back.

The inversion table has been invaluable. I thought i was smoked after saturday, but half dozen trips on that thing, good as new.

 

[86turbodsl]

I guess I did get a couple pictures. I am going to have to setup a grapple on the Mitsu, it is really nice to move lots of **** around relatively quickly. Only issue is you almost need to machines, one with a grapple, one with a bucket, it isn’t a quick swap to go back and forth. I did get pretty good feeding the chipper with it, but my Brother’s Kubota has such a small cab, it is actually painful on my knees getting in and out, you have to be a contortionist or 5’4” and 125 pounds.

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I like that grapple. It boggles my mind how much work people did in the old days before hydraulics. Men were just astonishing back then.

 

[Strouty]

I think that a lot of reasons we are so beat down these days is the mental toll from technology and life "upgrades", things used to be simpler, now we can essentially be "on" 24 - 7 and it hurts..

 

[86turbodsl]

You got that right. I like to unplug now and then to realize what i really have. Quiet country life, surrounded by nature, food in my belly, a loving wife, and a bright future.

 

[86turbodsl]

I wasn't in my thread, sorry to post in yours for no reason.....

I figured that was what happened. I don't mind at all, yours is one of the few threads i check very regularly!

 

[Strouty]

I don't mind at all, yours is one of the few threads i check very regularly!

Ditto!

 

[86turbodsl]

Loooong weekend, i left Friday afternoon on a half day of work to Clark, Missouri, to swap a gentleman a set of class 3 forklift forks i picked up for a forklift barrel manipulator. It grabs a barrel hydraulically and rotates it. So i can roll up to a barrel, grab it, pickup, and rotate it around to empty it. the plan is to clean up the 30-ish barrels of oil on the property line with pouring them into 275gal totes and fork those into the leanto and/or load them into the boiler prep tanks. either way, they are off the property.
I drove most of the way friday, and slept in the car overnight in a truck stop. Not good on the back, but not too awful bad. The price of these things normally makes it worth it.
Today, i'm just cleaning up and preparing to get the kids' truck back into the shop after the mez move. Cue the keystone cops music...

 

[83VillageRepair]

Loooong weekend, i left Friday afternoon on a half day of work to Clark, Missouri, to swap a gentleman a set of class 3 forklift forks i picked up for a forklift barrel manipulator. It grabs a barrel hydraulically and rotates it. So i can roll up to a barrel, grab it, pickup, and rotate it around to empty it. the plan is to clean up the 30-ish barrels of oil on the property line with pouring them into 275gal totes and fork those into the leanto and/or load them into the boiler prep tanks. either way, they are off the property.
I drove most of the way friday, and slept in the car overnight in a truck stop. Not good on the back, but not too awful bad. The price of these things normally makes it worth it.
Today, i'm just cleaning up and preparing to get the kids' truck back into the shop after the mez move. Cue the keystone cops music...

I am doing the same. Heading back to Texas from SD sleeping in the truck.

 

[86turbodsl]

I am doing the same. Heading back to Texas from SD sleeping in the truck.

With all the locations reporting bedbugs these days, it's about the only thing i'm comfortable doing anymore. Just need to make sure i do it when it's warm enough overnight.

 

[Strouty]

Cue the keystone cops music...

I am pretty sure I heard the Benny Hill music.....

 

[86turbodsl]

I am pretty sure I heard the Benny Hill music.....

Even better. Loved that show back in the day..

 

[83VillageRepair]

With all the locations reporting bedbugs these days, it's about the only thing i'm comfortable doing anymore. Just need to make sure i do it when it's warm enough overnight.

I just carry a little shaker full of DDT at all times

 

[86turbodsl]

I just carry a little shaker full of DDT at all times

Where are you finding THAT? Pretty much nothing (legal) but heat kills those things. They are everywhere now.