Above 1200 Sq/FT 86's 20HP shop

[86turbodsl]

Well i worked on that stupid tank for hours yesterday, till almost 9pm. Fill with water, dump, watch rust flow out. Over and over again. Look inside with flashlight, doesn't look bad at all. No idea where it's all coming from. They must have left it sitting with almost no fuel outside for years. The fuel strainer was completely clogged at the inlet. I have to get most of it out or i'll be doing it again before long. Ugh. Also have a new fuel sender on order. On a positive note, i found more pallet racking that works with my existing stuff. Price is right and it's much wider than my current stuff, so that will go in the machinery shed, along the back wall and i will use the outdoor forklift to load it up. So, some of the bulkier/larger stuff will go there instead of in the main shop. I can think of several things immediately that can go on it. Yanmar lawnmower, Probably the zero turn in off months, and the plow can trade places. Then my oil totes can be filled and loaded up and when i want to fill the indoor tanks i will just grab one and bring inside and pump up top. I can store spare engines and even the barrel grapple out there too. Starting this afternoon, i'm on vacation for 5 days, hoping to get the kid's truck wrapped up and out of the shop, and do the cleanup that it desperately needs.

 

[Strouty]

I would run a small plastic tank for now, just get it functional. Depending on the tank size I have used rocks to help clean things out, but too big a tank will take your back out for sure. Other option would be a couple gallons of evaporust, lay it on each side for 24 hours, then clean it out afterwards. Good luck on all fronts, I don't have to deal with in office drama thankfully.

 

[bulletpruf]

I would run a small plastic tank for now, just get it functional. Depending on the tank size I have used rocks to help clean things out, but too big a tank will take your back out for sure. Other option would be a couple gallons of evaporust, lay it on each side for 24 hours, then clean it out afterwards. Good luck on all fronts, I don't have to deal with in office drama thankfully.

A length of chain works well for cleaning out tanks, too.

I use Red Kote to coat tanks that are iffy. Works quite well. http://damonq.com/red-kote.html

 

[86turbodsl]

I would run a small plastic tank for now, just get it functional. Depending on the tank size I have used rocks to help clean things out, but too big a tank will take your back out for sure. Other option would be a couple gallons of evaporust, lay it on each side for 24 hours, then clean it out afterwards. Good luck on all fronts, I don't have to deal with in office drama thankfully.

No good way to use a plastic tank. Needs to be gravity feed. No fuel pump. I like the evaporust idea. Not sure what that does on flaky stuff though. It's coming out in big chunks as big as a quarter down to dust.

 

[bimmer1980]

I have to admit, the rocks or the chain idea is interesting..... Basically just need some deburring stone material and get it tumbling. Do you have a cement mixer that you could put it into? or clamp it to a sawsall blade to shake it? anything to get a lot of oscillations to make the abrasive compound knock the rust and debris out....

Good deal on your upcoming vacation!

 

[Chrisb62]

I've also used a chain on a small generator tank with pool acid once, it worked well but i also changed the tank when i could find a replacement. 5 gallon tank is easy to shake a few times a hour and flip over often as well.

 

[crerus75]

I did a fuel tank on an old Triumph TR6 a few years back. It sat for years and was scaly inside. I filled it full of water with some sodium carbonate (washing soda) and used a battery charger and a chunk of rebar as a sacrificial anode to clean the inside with electrolysis. I let it run for a few days, removing the anode to knock the big chunks off once or twice a day. After draining and rinsing, the inside was down to clean steel. Unfortunately it also uncovered a pinhole so the owner ended up buying a new tank, but it was a last-ditch effort anyway and the steel that was left behind was 100% rust free. YMMV but it might work.

 

[ronjon1190]

Toss a short length of chain in, fill the tank half way with water, and strap it to a jacked up wheel of a working tractor and let it spin for an hour or so- it will take all the chunks out at least. I have done that on a few different farmall tanks and it always amazes me how much sludge comes out when you drain the tank.

 

[Strouty]

The evaporust will take about anything off, but it leaves a residue, so you will still have to clean it up. The last tank I did had enough flat area that I cut a large hole in it, then made a stainless cover for it. I also epoxy coated the inside and it came out great.

As for a small temporary tank, you could hang it and give it an IV drip.

 

[86turbodsl]

i don't think tumbling of any kind is going to work. There's baffles in there that will prevent full movement. At least as far as i can tell. Really need a borescope to look around in there, but i don't have one and not driving to work to use our teams. I'll have to table it for right now, vacation is on, and i want to get some work done on the kid's truck.

 

[86turbodsl]

Working on the kid's truck today, got the whole dash apart and pulled the pedal cluster, only to find that the one i had set aside for it won't work, so i have to pull a 2nd truck apart to get the right one. Ugh. Always something...

 

[racer-john]

Why isn't the "kid" doing the work or at least helping?

 

[86turbodsl]

Because "the kid" is useless to the extreme on anything automotive related. Like most of his generation, if it isn't a cell phone or a computer, he's completely 110% useless.

 

[ClappedOutBport]

Then don't do his work for him?

 

[Strouty]

I am not touching this one with a ten foot pole.......

 

[Mr.zippy]

Yup.

 

[Chrisb62]

Not even a 20 foot pole........

 

[bimmer1980]

Let's just follow along as 86turbo works on the truck and his projects.

I'm hoping he's making good progress and he can get the truck done and out of the shop.

Then we can see more forklift action and shop projects.

Happy Memorial Day weekend guys!

 

[ClappedOutBport]

Sorry. Not trying to be an *** or start any arguments. I'll back down. Just looking at it from a 24 y/o's perspective. Dad's not gonna be working on projects forever...

Carry on with the regular content 86, apologies.

 

[86turbodsl]

You guys aren't saying anything i haven't said before. Directly to him. I have told him this is the last time i work on his projects. He will either pick it up himself or pay someone else. When we started looking for a truck for him, i gave him a budget of 3500. He got to pick, from anywhere southern. He got ants in his pants and had picked out this truck from Tennessee. 95 F150, XLT, 302, 4R70W. He really wanted a manual trans, but he was unwilling to wait. He spent 1800 on the truck, then another ~1500-2000 on repairs. So he's out all of my labor, and all of the downtime from being worked on. The auto trans started to go south and so we pretty much had to either rebuild or swap. Since i am full time employed and also have my own stuff going on, i can't devote all my free time to it. So as a result, he cries and whines like a baby when i don't work on it. He's got a lot of growing up to do. He could have bought the truck he wanted, in nice condition, had he just spent the 3500 on something nicer. This was all pre-pandemic, and used truck prices were quite mild.

He seems to need to learn the hard way. Oh well, not my problem anymore.

Forklift content- i have ordered 1000 3/8 ball bearings and will dump them into tank and strap to the tractor wheel and drive it around. Also, the new fuel sender showed up today. So, by tomorrow, i should have everything needed to finish the forklift to drive around again.

Upcoming - get the kids' truck out of my shop and do a cleanup. Also, i just went yesterday and picked up 5 sections of 42" x 9' pallet racking for the machinery shed, which should put a pretty good run along the back wall, and provide a lot of nice big storage area for mowers, plows, etc. Going to need the forklift mast swap before very long.

 

[86turbodsl]

The pedal cluster is in, the factory holes for auto are plugged, the clutch cylinder is in, the ford permanent clutch rod fix is completed, the instrument cluster is in, everything looks factory, and steering column is converted and ready to go in. UPS is out for delivery on the new carpet. After it shows, i will lay out in the sun, soften it up, and install, then the seat and column can go back in. At that point, it's done interior and i can move back to engine bay. Not that much left to do there either. Exhaust is going to be the slow painful part.

 

[Strouty]

Fingers crossed things go well overall.

 

[86turbodsl]

Carpet showed up. It's out in the sun warming up. I tried to have the kid help unloading the trailer, too difficult i guess. Stands there with a puzzled expression.

 

[racer-john]

Oh boy!!!!!

 

[86turbodsl]

Yeah, kid drives me nuts at times. Semi-autistic, but high-functioning, so has attitude, but not the hooztpah to pull it off. Maddening!!!

 

[racer-john]

If he as my boy,( perish the thought ), he would get more than a kick in the pants.

 

[86turbodsl]

We went down that road. He didn't respond the way most people do. He's a conundrum. I still after 22 years haven't figured out how to handle him. We fight, he goes to his room, closes the door and thinks about things and then comes and apologizes. I'm just tired. I have enormous respect for people that can handle special needs kids without blowing their brains out.

 

[Chrisb62]

If I may say so....... you are doing the best you know......we have no right to second guess you and what you are doing.

As a father we attempt to teach but sometimes it doesn’t sink it as we hope....

Hopefully things are moving in a positive direction.

 

[Sweet Old Bill]

To Chrisb62, very well expressed.

I second the sentiments about people that can handle special needs kids. I have a ton of respect for Special Ed teachers!

 

[83VillageRepair]

You are certainly killing it on projects this year!

 

[Johanfpa]

I can recommend this book, going through something similar as you with our son:

He's Not Lazy: Empowering Your Son to Believe in Himself Dr Adam Price ISBN-10 ‏: ‎1454916877 ISBN-13 ‏: ‎978-1454916871​

Gave us an insight that helped, hope it helps you guys as well.

 

[ClappedOutBport]

Sounds like a tough place to be.

You've made incredible progress today though. I didn't do anything I set out to do, if it's any consolation. lol

 

[Strouty]

I would imagine there are lots of factors at play in the Father, Son situation, there are also lots of outside forces that influence how the majority of younger people act in general. I see it all the time and it is frustrating, sometimes you can find a work around, sometimes you can't. Does he like music or anything like that? I know my nephew isn't really into the mechanical stuff, but he got curious with car stereo and he wants to learn about that. I figure something is better than nothing. What about old school video games???

 

[86turbodsl]

Thanks to all. So everyone is clued in, my son was born with Sotos syndrome, a rare genetic disorder that speeds and augments physical development, but retards emotion development without touching intellect. As he was born with higher than average intelligence, he's capable of more than the average sotos kid, but still has the emotion issues. So, think of the kid that can do more, but can't handle setbacks or adversity. AND is bigger than normal kids, like 99th percentile big. I am 5,9". 165lbs. Wife is 5'6". Kid is 6'4". 220+. He had teeth at 9 months. But couldn't talk for 2 years. Stuggled with school. Has extreme aptitude with computers, but no interest at all in anything else. Loves to drive, but no interest in maintenance. Before he was born, we had all kinds of warning signals in utero. Doc asked us if we wanted to abort, they suspected downs, but as we don't believe in abortion EVER, we deal with the unique challenges he brings. There are positives, he eschews any sort of normal problems that today's parents deal with, like drugs and alcohol, doesn't bring girls home, etc. Never gets in trouble with the law, that sort of thing. All sotos kids are a tad autistic, and that's true here too. Life is an interesting challenge with special needs kids, but frequently brings benefits in other areas.

Project updates: Carpet is in middle of installation, had a crack at clutch bleeding, still working on that, ball bearings came in, haven't loaded up yet. Half the day spent grocery shopping. Going back at it now.... stay tuned.

 

[Mr.zippy]

Much respect to you sir!

 

[macgyver37]

My wife has had a self contained classroom for the last 6 years with kids with autism, they are all over the map from non verbal and very low intelligence to seemingly 'normal' until a transition happens and they melt down. Pre k to 5th grade so far with 10 kids this past year in the room.
The one thing that has stayed the same is the fact that each kid is very different, something that works for one may not work at all for another or even worse may trigger worse behavior.

My nephew has autism, he is 12, my parents honestly still haven't figured out/accepted that he is the way he is. It's not a dig at them, they just keep thinking or hoping that he is going to start talking some day. My wife has paraprofessionals that work with the kids everyday all day and even after a year or two, they still don't get that the kid is not going to react or act normally in most situations. Not sure if it is a mental block or what.
I don't know much, but expecting someone with autism to be normal is just going to to get nowhere.

86, when you first mentioned how the kid was acting way back when with the vehicle situation, I was thinking you need to put your foot down etc, then you said he is on the spectrum and I realized you were in a whole other place with him and the normal ways to parent probably don't apply. One tough thing my brother and family deal with is my nephew looks normal, but isn't so the general public can be mean at times expecting him to act normal. If he was in a wheelchair etc he would be given grace and some understanding, people just have a hard time grasping that he's different.

 

[bulletpruf]

Much respect to you sir!

Ditto!

 

[86turbodsl]

My wife has had a self contained classroom for the last 6 years with kids with autism, they are all over the map from non verbal and very low intelligence to seemingly 'normal' until a transition happens and they melt down. Pre k to 5th grade so far with 10 kids this past year in the room.
The one thing that has stayed the same is the fact that each kid is very different, something that works for one may not work at all for another or even worse may trigger worse behavior.

My nephew has autism, he is 12, my parents honestly still haven't figured out/accepted that he is the way he is. It's not a dig at them, they just keep thinking or hoping that he is going to start talking some day. My wife has paraprofessionals that work with the kids everyday all day and even after a year or two, they still don't get that the kid is not going to react or act normally in most situations. Not sure if it is a mental block or what.
I don't know much, but expecting someone with autism to be normal is just going to to get nowhere.

86, when you first mentioned how the kid was acting way back when with the vehicle situation, I was thinking you need to put your foot down etc, then you said he is on the spectrum and I realized you were in a whole other place with him and the normal ways to parent probably don't apply. One tough thing my brother and family deal with is my nephew looks normal, but isn't so the general public can be mean at times expecting him to act normal. If he was in a wheelchair etc he would be given grace and some understanding, people just have a hard time grasping that he's different.

Oh man, the stories i could tell.... he was very prone to meltdowns. Over-stimulation. He would be sent to a room in the school that was just a bare 8x8 room with a chair in it. It was basically his classroom. The part about looking pretty normal and not being perceived as different until the episodes start is 100% true. My dad had a hard time dealing with it too. He would yell at me about not dealing with him and you just couldn't explain it sufficiently for it to sink in. Probably added to the rift between us that we carried until his death. My daughter also felt abandoned a lot of her childhood as a result of it too, we had to spend so much time and energy taking care of him that she felt like we only cared about him. I have a great deal of respect for parents of even more dysfunctional children. I don't know where they get the energy from. I'm pretty active physically, but the emotional stuff just wears me right out. And i try to deal with it in sometimes unhealthy ways.

My wife paid a very dear price for all this. She's not the same woman i married. I won't go into all the specifics, but just that there is a limit to what a person can deal with from a mental health perspective. We will be dealing with this for the rest of our lives. Helps to put things into perspective i think. You hear about the happy people with perfect lives, but there's always something in the background. I can only think of one classmate that truly had a blissful easy wonderful childhood. everybody else was varying degrees of dysfunction.

 

[86turbodsl]

Back to your regularly scheduled popcorn-tossing voyeurism -

The ball bearings showed up, 1000 3/8" steel bearings in the tank, strapped to the side of the tractor and drove it around the yard for a while. The neighbors hate me now more than ever. There appears to be a "mud" sticking to everything now. I have a borescope coming later today to see if i can pull it off yet and wash it out.
I meant to work on the truck yesterday, but it didn't happen. I ran up to Lansing harbor freight and grabbed a diesel compression tester on the super coupon. Seems like a nice kit and saved over 30 dollars. I took the bike up there, and on the way around the south side on I-96, came up on a dude on a crotch rocket. We're doing about 80, and he motions that he wants to run em. I say ok, and nail it. For about 2 seconds, then he's gone like a shot and i let off. I'm on a first gen Vmax, which is a monster from 0-120 and about done then. And it gets squirrely on the big end. Early 80s frame after all. That other guy must have hit 150. No thank you. I thought it was funny to watch him disappear without even realizing i wasn't trying to run it. Lol.

 

[86turbodsl]

Aaaaand the hits just keep on coming.... my kid just quit his job. His direct-hire date was tomorrow. He already filled out the paperwork. "I feel like i'm going to pass out, it's so hot in there..." People just don't want to work anymore... UGH.