9k versus 10k Lift

[robmunach]

I'm in the market for a 2 post lift as a hobbiest I am currently looking at an AMGO OH9 or OH10. ($2,700 versus $3,400). I call ed AMGO and it sounds like the only difference is the thickness of the steel in the columns. They are not ALI certified but claim they have been internally tested to the 150% requirements.
The heaviest thing I might put on there is a 3/4 PU or a Sprinter van. I would be careful to try to get the CG in a good place. Am I making a mistake buying the 9k or even an AMGO lift in general. Has anyone heard of a column failing by the carriage pulling out? looks like they are made by Peak in China which seems to make a bunch of lifts.

Thanks

 

[ycgoat]

I am in the same position, the only thing i can add is some of the other lift retailers have on their sites that a 3/4 ton gas powered truck is the max for a 9K lift and if you have a diesel you will need a 10K. The claim is that the heavier engine will exceed the rating of the arms on one side of the lift even though the total lift capacity may not be exceeded.

 

[robmunach]

I used to have a Mohwak 7000 lb lift and with my 5000 lb tundra on it, the rear arms flexed noticeably and that thing was built like a tank.

 

[finn]

The 10k lift should be more capable of handling a pickup with weight biased towards the front. Capacity is not only total weight, but the fine print includes a caveat on weight per arm, at least per my 10k two post Bendpac manual.

The arms on my BendPac flex noticeably when I lift th v10 F350 crew cab lab dually, or even the single cab F250, but as long as the yield point of the steel arms isn exceeded, there’s no harm.

Ever been in a steel framed skyscraper like the Sears (Willis) tower on a windy day?

 

[robmunach]

If AMGO is correct in that the arms are the same on the two lifts, then it seems the issue would be column failure. Does that ever happen ? For a 10k, you only get another 250 lb per arm which does not seem like a significant upgrade.

 

[finn]

Looking at the specs, one weighs 1483 lb, and the other is 1744 lb.

So, yes, there is a difference between the two.

Go for the larger one for HD pickup lifting, assuming the footprint works for you.

 

[robmunach]

I'm only seeing 120 lbs difference

 

[robmunach]

1515 lbs versus 1623 lbs

 

[Garcky]

I'd go with the higher-capacity one. For $700 difference, why wouldn't you? Higher capacity means a bigger safety margin. Down the road, you might want to put something you aren't thinking about on your lift. If you buy the one with more capacity, you're more likely to be OK if that's the case.

And then, too, you say those lifts don't have an important certification. They're made in China. What could go wrong? Do you trust their advertising claims. Why are they not certified? Remember, you're going to be the one standing under whatever lift you buy.

 

[nickstar]

I went through the same decision process a few years ago. I decided on a 10k lift different brand, while I was on a budget,
I felt like it was worth extra cost for the extra peace of mind. Let us know which route you take.

 

[robmunach]

I'd go with the higher-capacity one. For $700 difference, why wouldn't you? Higher capacity means a bigger safety margin. Down the road, you might want to put something you aren't thinking about on your lift. If you buy the one with more capacity, you're more likely to be OK if that's the case.

And then, too, you say those lifts don't have an important certification. They're made in China. What could go wrong? Do you trust their advertising claims. Why are they not certified? Remember, you're going to be the one standing under whatever lift you buy.

I suppose I could spend another $2500 and go BendPak also - oh wait, that is made in China too! .My understanding is that certification costs a lot. Def, a lot of "while I am at its" on a lift purchase. i see a bunch of 12k ones on ebay that weigh less than the 9k Amgo so who knows what to believe. Seems like most of the failures that are reported on any of these is due to operator error.

 

[Garcky]

I suppose I could spend another $2500 and go BendPak also - oh wait, that is made in China too! .My understanding is that certification costs a lot. Def, a lot of "while I am at its" on a lift purchase. i see a bunch of 12k ones on ebay that weigh less than the 9k Amgo so who knows what to believe. Seems like most of the failures that are reported on any of these is due to operator error.

OK. Your shop, your choice, of course.

 

[finn]

Initial cert cost plus a per unit surcharge to use the trademark, most likely.

 

[finn]

I looked again and came up with 1744.

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Maybe I am looking at a different 10k model.

Mox Nix.

 

[robmunach]

For an AMGO or Bendpak? It looks like AMGO/Peak is CE certified - which seems to be the same as ALI except the electrical safety is not as strict. Does anyone know if this comparison is true?

 

[finn]

AMGO-OHX-10H

 

[428PI]

3/4 and sprinter van I wouldn't feel safe unless it was an 12k lift.

 

[47chevy COE]

We have a 10k bendpak at our shop that lifts crew cab diesels often. We are strongly considering upgrading to a 12k. I’d lean towards overbuilt vs “hopefully enough”

 

[speed bump]

Unless it's going to be loaded up when you put it on the lift you are going to be fine. My diesel 1 ton crew cab long bed Ford with the biggest tool box weather guard makes stuffed full barely scales over 8k and I've seen it on a 9k lift a couple times.

Now rarely does one wish they went smaller though, so ask yourself will I wish it was only $700 to upgrade in a year?

 

[47chevy COE]

Are you sure your 1 ton only weighs that? I’ve got an f250 with a 7.3 diesel, crew cab short box with flatbed. 36” Montezuma full of tools, and an empty 110 gallon fuel tank, and I’m over 10k.

Unless it's going to be loaded up when you put it on the lift you are going to be fine. My diesel 1 ton crew cab long bed Ford with the biggest tool box weather guard makes stuffed full barely scales over 8k and I've seen it on a 9k lift a couple times.

Now rarely does one wish they went smaller though, so ask yourself will I wish it was only $700 to upgrade in a year?

 

[housewolf]

Are you sure your 1 ton only weighs that? I’ve got an f250 with a 7.3 diesel, crew cab short box with flatbed. 36” Montezuma full of tools, and an empty 110 gallon fuel tank, and I’m over 10k.

I’m sure my 3/4T Duramax weighs 8,500 pretty empty. I’m just as sure I don’t like it on my 9K# Ammco (Challenger) lift. I’ll lift 1/2T trucks anytime and all our cars but I’m not crazy about lifting a diesel truck. I’ll lift it high enough to rotate tires or lie under it to change the oil but I’m not 100% comfortable with it all the way up (again).

Fact of the matter is, I had it up once and one of the locks failed, it popped and came down about an inch. They’re the louvered type and one was deformed (I’d overlooked it). I’ve since repaired the slot the lock catches but I’m not hanging that truck on them again.

I do have a buddy that routinely lifts his diesel pickup on a 9K# Atlas though.

 

[finn]

I’m sure my 3/4T Duramax weighs 8,500 pretty empty. I’m just as sure I don’t like it on my 9K# Ammco (Challenger) lift. I’ll lift 1/2T trucks anytime and all our cars but I’m not crazy about lifting a diesel truck. I’ll lift it high enough to rotate tires or lie under it to change the oil but I’m not 100% comfortable with it all the way up (again).

Fact of the matter is, I had it up once and one of the locks failed, it popped and came down about an inch. They’re the louvered type and one was deformed (I’d overlooked it). I’ve since repaired the slot the lock catches but I’m not hanging that truck on them again.

I do have a buddy that routinely lifts his diesel pickup on a 9K# Atlas though.

BendPac clearly states no more than 2500 lb on any of the four arms of my 10000 lb lift. There’s absolutely no way I can tell, with any degree of confidence that all four arms are equally loaded if I put my 9500 lb F450 on the lift.

So I don’t.

 

[zkdiesel]

3/4 and sprinter van I wouldn't feel safe unless it was an 12k lift.

Then you would be horrified at the things I lift on a 12k lift. Crew cab f450 4wd dump trucks

The above is fine on an 9/10

 

[93Ramcharger]

Is your 12000 lb lift a mohawk by chance?

 

[zkdiesel]

Is your 12000 lb lift a mohawk by chance?

No. My 30k 2 post is a mohawk though

 

[haveissues]

Personally I would buy a 10k lift and a certified one. I was going to buy this one before I stumbled upon a barely used rotary 10k just down the street from me. I'm not willing to take the word of a chinese manufacturer with something my life depends on. No affiliation with the company below but from my looking around it seemed like the best bang for the buck at the time.

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[cannuck]

BendPac clearly states no more than 2500 lb on any of the four arms of my 10000 lb lift. There’s absolutely no way I can tell, with any degree of confidence that all four arms are equally loaded if I put my 9500 lb F450 on the lift.

Yeah, there is an easy way. You need to weigh your truck axle by axle and calculate center of gravity. Put that in the line between the columns with truck driven down the middle and you have same weight on each arm. On long term shop at buddy's place we have an 8k that I set up with posts parallel to make one set of arms much longer than other - since we lift a lot of pickups and VW air cooled vans (i.e. very high weight bias to one end). That 8k will just BARELY lift my 2003 Ram 3500 diesel short box, xt cab with empty fuel tank. For that reason I bought a 12k Mohawk for my new (yet to be built) shop as we have some class 4 and 5 trucks to lift.