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A Humble Gambrel

Lapkritis

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Hello GJ members/readers,

I'm a relatively new member here and enjoy the knowledge base present. The variety of spaces and creativity is quite rich; already I've found inspiration for changes to my own space from reading. Quite addictive I find and need to make sure I pace myself so I don't go bankrupt on toys - thanks to those who share their work so I feel obliged to share my own. All feedback welcome as long as it's constructive! ;)

My wife and I purchased an 1800's farm house in Vermont earlier this fall and being the gear head that I am, I was quite interested in the horse barn on property. My previous space was a 1 car garage under a 3 story townhouse. I was packed in tight as I've been collecting tools for years to wrench on all kinds of automotive/motorized projects. To be quite honest, I began renovation plans the moment I laid eyes on the structure.

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What little I know about the barn - it has been renovated before. The last time horses were in the barn was approximately 1999. There is an ancient well with hand pump inside that passes through the floor beneath the stairs to the second floor. The floor is intact concrete slab of unknown age. Only the first floor walls are insulated. The sills for the walls rest on a cinder block foundation surrounding the slab.

The move-in condition of the barn was approaching desperate. The roof was shingle and had plainly failed. Rather than repair, the previous homeowner stapled on a tarp which as you may imagine had yielded in the New England climate. Before buying the house I had gone over the structure and knew the roof was an immediate need as you could see daylight from the interior of the second story in several places. Downstairs, the floor plan was divided into halves. The first half was a vacant parking spot with the staircase/well at the back wall and the second half was divided into 1/3 saddle room and 2/3 horse stable. The stable had a 2" raised plank floor over the concrete.

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So first things first after closing, I planned to secure the structure and ensure no further deterioration would occur. We first removed vegetation which took only part of an afternoon. My brothers and I then went straight to work laying metal roofing on over the shingle. We chose this approach for a couple reasons - no need to take the shingles to the dump and quicker to install with the winter fast approaching. The material was from the local Home Depot which was actually a bit of a pain to deal with. They couldn’t keep stock levels up and I was only able to secure enough sheeting 3 weeks after initial purchase. From what I was told, metal roofing becomes a hot item in the fall … it must only be this color brown because they always had a hundred count stack of the green. But I digress… a few weekends later and we had the roof fully covered and I could begin to turn my attention indoors.

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Another deadline I faced was removing the stable to make another parking space… the salt on the roads means old non-galvanized classic cars get parked during the winter months. Fortunately, the stable was barely held together using a channel design – there were only about a dozen screws to take it completely apart. The plank floor wasn’t fastened down but was just floating on 3 perpendicular boards over the concrete. It was just a matter of manpower to remove the boards (stored in crawlspace under the house) and to shovel out the 20+ yr old manure. Cell phone pics covering the stable work:

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The walls to the rear of the stable were coated in manure. At this age it’s odorless but dried on like plaster.

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I used a paint scraper to remove and then went over with a stainless brush.

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There was some chew damage from the hoofed tenant that I repaired in place. Used a circular saw to cut out between studs and then screwed new wood back in place.

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Dog helping out/creeping out:
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Then on to removing the handing door on the main beam – no storage place chosen for this item yet. My goal is to preserve the materials that are removed should we someday have an unruly teen in the house and need to put the stable/holding cell back into the barn. Here’s a quick render of the target space use:

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The construction was such that additional support posts had been added to support the stable wall. They were floating and not supporting the structure; I replaced with a tiger brand post and drew tension against the main beam.

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A gallon of Kilz2 brightened things up quite a bit:
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Screens were over the interior of the windows to prevent the horse from knocking out the single pane glass with his tail I imagine. Such protection made for an impressive accumulation of cob webs.

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I plan a bit more carpentry work and perhaps replacing the windows next year with something that opens/closes before I consider it done. For now, it’s coated and suitable as a storage parking place. You can also see the rush job where I had mounted a pair of LED flood lights over the 911 parking space and stapled down half of the feed; I still need to add the switch on the opposite wall and terminate. Perhaps this weekend but not a high priority.

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A bit more clean-up and the grumpy old German was ready to move in after a final fall bath:

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I used a couple wheel dollies to move it into position. I bought 4 but when nosed in correctly only a pair were needed. Pittsburg tools brand for about $50/pr. Great price with locks… there are cheaper available without the caster locks.

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Once the car was in storage position, I moved on to the saddle room which will be the actual work shop space. I normally like the wall-length benches that I more commonly see that are open to the garage area. In this case, I decided to use the existing walls – given that there will be delicate cars in the garage at nearly all times, I rationalize that this works well to keep tools and parts from work accidentally trying to occupy the same space. This space is still a bit of a disaster as the weather moved in and snow prevented me from moving the tool boxes and such outside… I had to work around them.

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I added power and lighting in this room as there were none provisioned prior. I work on heavy objects from time to time and wanted a strong bench to hold the weight. 8” runs screwed together and open to the floor beneath for transmission/engine storage.

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The bench ties to the walls and I used 2x4 and 4x4 to further support weight. I’m 6’2 and prefer not to hunch over my work so I built it a bit taller than average to bring the work closer to my eyes and brains.

I mounted some direction lights scored from craigslist for $15 – filled them with LED bulbs and put down some leftover flashing to throw the light around and keep fluids off the wood. I’d like to eventually swap it out for some stainless but it does the job for now as something I had on hand. Also wall mounted an antique Tydol sign found in my grandfather’s garage. I’ve since added a mounted power strip/circuit breaker.

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I have plenty of plans for the coming weeks. The hanging doors on the exterior are barn doors and the wind blows right through making for a cold space. I’d like to research closing the air gaps and what has worked for people before me. To this point in the project, I hadn’t heard of the Garage Journal so I think I found you guys in the nick of time. I imagine securing the doors (except for the man door) on the inside by attaching stripping to the interior frame and securing a new panel to the door using a large bolts or threaded rod to draw weather tight with insulating foam tape at the contact surface with the new panel and frame. Feel free to throw any ideas in!

Thanks for reading – more to come.

-Andrew in VT
 

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When I read about your barn, I was thinking this huge building that you could park 10+ cars inside.
I was a little surprised to see the smaller structure in this pic...
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But it does look like you could park 4 cars in it if the first floor was totally gutted.
So I am curious what are the dimensions of your barn?
BTW...nice job and smart thinking on the new roof!
It has a lot of character and would be pretty cool if you placed the wood floors back in to give it that nostalgic look.
As far as sealing up the doors, your idea sounds good...maybe going to the store and getting a couple sheets of 1" thick foam sheets to cover the doors and secure it with spray foam? ...as a temporay insulator this winter.
Hope you have access to a truck? Looks like you might need one.
It will be interesting to see what you do with the property....I think I'll subscribe.
Nice ride too, I am a big sports car fan, no matter the manufacture...love muscle cars!
Good luck on your new property, looks like you have plenty to keep ya busy!
 
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Nice start to your transformation. Is that a boxer pup next to the wheel dollies? Looks just like my boy ( in avatar ) when he was a pup.
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys. The 911 is a trip to own. The ownership highs are high but the lows are really low... One minute you're loving the flat 6 music through the carbs and the next you're finding a broken headstud.

She is a boxer puppy.
 

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Great work I too choose metal roofing. For the same reasons. I didn't deal with home depo. I had it delivered to my house.

Love the boxer.


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That's a great building with tons of charm. It will be a lot of work, but the way your going about it, it should come together perfectly. It would be a great pleasure to renovate such a fine old building into your dream shop!! Very nice!!

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LOVE the p-car. That rear 3\4 shot is just perfect. And it's by far the best color too.

Good luck with the barn project. Love watching these old places getting a new lease on life. Kudos.

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Thanks for the encouragement and positive comments. I'm trying to follow the age old rule of making the most of what you have. I admit that it wasn't entirely too long ago that I was wrenching in a random parking lot or a generous friends garage so I'm very thankful for a space to work.

'Tis the season for some lights on the facade:

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Sure thing - it's pretty straight forward. Sweep with a broom and remove any loose shingles. We found a few that were quite loose and although they probably wouldn't go anywhere once the metal is down, we didn't want just junk sandwiched in there making things more uneven than necessary.

The metal roofing attaches with specific screws that utilize an o-ring under washer. Zip right down through the metal, shingle and into the wood beneath the shingle. Metal on top of shingle is fairly common... more so than shingle on top of shingle which briefly flashed across my mind. Speed of install and snow shedding characteristics made metal the easy choice.
 
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Dubber - thanks. My other ride is a Jetta... this was my toy for over a decade before the 911 came along. I haven't been able to put a serious price on it to sell so it's still hanging around (outdoor parking space). So dang fast and raw compared to anything else I've driven. I was ready for a new challenge with the 911 and have already done the top end job since taking over the torch carry responsibilities. I found a fuzzy cell phone panorama from the previous townhouse garage I vacated:

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Have been busy using the space more than working on it but have some changes, so updates to come.

Yesterday/today an electrician friend helped trench and run conduit/water line to the garage. We put in a 2" run which is planned for upgrading to 100 amp service. A separate 1" run was buried as well for eventual cat6/coax run. Finally, a 1/2 water line was buried at the same time. It isn't deep enough to prevent freezing during the winters here (5ft norm) so it would be seasonal water service to be blown out each fall.

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The garage has a single 12awg feed now which isn't enough for the 3hp air compressor. We haven't pulled wire yet but with the warm weather, this was a rush to beat the weather. We can pull cable after the freeze sets.

All for now.
 
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Annual update...

Added 4 new LED strips lights from Costco over the main parking spot. Cost was $19 per strip and I'm pleased enough with the performance/price to strongly recommend.

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Next step on this project space is heating system. I have a metalbestos chimney kit on hand but don't want to lose the floor space to a woodstove. Still undecided on what type of heat to go with...
 

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I bought the same lights for part of my garage - I now call it "The Surgery Center" with increased brightness.

Consider a radiant tube heater - very efficient, feels great to work in.
 
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Another baby step today. The sliding barn doors are notorious for leaks... The design doesn't lend itself to being weather-tight. Winters here are very cold.. often below zero and with wind it can feel colder than -50°F. If I want to heat and use the space at all the doors need to have some partial seal even.

Google results were spotty so I took a few minutes to stand in the gate latch section of my local Ace hardware. There are flush mount hook options that might make more sense but I was tired of debating myself. I went with 60lbs rings which stand as high as the foam weather stripping I attached to the door. I figure the profile of the ring will protect the weather stripping from being torn off if the door is opened in a hurry.

I used the foam around the top and sides. Open cell works here because it's out of the weather. I plan to use the brush-type seal on the bottom of the door but have to source it still.

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Since sealing the majority of leaks, I've been using a torpedo for heat and it works fine as I'm only out there for a few hours at a time after work instead of all day.

I've run out of shelf space in the workshop room within the garage and despite the evidence, I hate clutter. My time is spent mostly on cleaning and organizing; once I have a full reset with a relatively clear space then I'll feel more comfortable working on toys again.

So here we go...

I used shelves that were on hand when I moved in. They were constructed poorly both materials and craftsmanship, but were better than nothing at the time. Old Teddy Roosevelt said it best- "Do what you can with, with what you have, where you are." I filled them with paints, lubes, misc materials, you name it. They were beyond capacity. On more than occasion I would find cans of spray paint on the floor next to the 911... So when I walked by the shelves at Costco on Saturday, I left 184lbs heavier in the cart. I didn't want the old shelves starting an urban camo paint job on the car if I could help it.

Shopping on a Saturday was a nightmare, never again. Also pictured is the wheeled metal cart they sell, another future post on that coming. Usually have a slice of shame/pizza on our way out but not this day. Too many people.

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Daredevil, base jumping cans.
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Assembly took maybe 20 minutes. All gravity holding the together so no tools:


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Quite the upgrade, still have to load and organize but happy so far:

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I bought the Stark saw as a backup to my Stihl... Besides a melted clutch cover ruining the worm drive on the oil pump during the first use it has done the job for the money.

Baby steps...

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That's a neat little barn. The number one plate sure has to get some attention, too!
 
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Nice work! What's the plans for that VR block?
Thanks. The VR block was to replace the running block in the Jetta after an over-boost session on the dyno. It cracked a couple pistons and developed an appetite for a quart of oil with every tank of fuel. This block pictured was picked up to be built on the side and installed once ready but I found it had two bent rods which caused scoring on the pistons due to impact with the very bottom of the cylinder bore edge. Perhaps a coffee table or more likely a trip to the scrap metal heap...

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Finally mounted and painted my vise after a year... The temperature swings with the seasons in the garage so condensation on metal is a problem. Not a "show" vice but good enough for this space as a worker. Old craftsman, scuffed it up and wiped it with thinner before hitting with Van sickle black.

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Got around to assembling the Costco 4-tier car, item 707386.

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Threads are deeper than just the surface profile.
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Didn't like the mesh bottom for the trays. I work on projects with small parts that would fall through or get tangled in this mesh. Planned for modification during initial assembly by picking up ~$7 in additional hardware from my local Ace store. Used scrap plywood that I had on hand.
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Nothing says classy like stained plywood. Small gaps along the edge were filled with clear silicone caulk. Ensures no small parts such as screws or nuts are lost during future service.

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Caulking is still drying. Total height of the cart is just over 36". The size is about right for a small work space so it should serve well. Bearings on the wheels are exposed. Believe I paid $49 for the cart, which is a fair deal. Assembly was easy.

Finished, save for caulk aging to clear:
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My favorite 911 after the early models which are ridiculously priced now. And yours has less issues.

If you haven't already, have a thorough termite inspection done.
 

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Nice place you have there. Thinking You should just bite the bullet and install a wood stove as you are in Vt. Wood is cheap and plentiful. Just down the road from you in Eastern Berkshires in Mass and I hated loosing floor space in my small Barn but just means it warms up that faster, mine was a sugar house so it's open in half the building
 
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Lapkritis

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So a lot has happened out in the shop... I have some pictures that have documented the adventure. Life sped up a bit!

First, I grew tired of the dark, dank, dirty feel of the wood walls. I patched up the tops of the ground floor walls where it was open between floor joists for floor 2. This finally stopped the ****** war I had going with the local squirrel and chipmunk gangs. I followed that up with 35 gallons of white paint that was on clearance at Lowe's quickly laid on using a kraus n Becker airless sprayer from hf- highly recommended, not sure how else I would have finished this. All interior surfaces including the second floor and ceilings were coated heavily. I should have done this first thing when moving in. YUUUGE difference, much cleaner and brighter.

Btw- I tried the "maintenance paint" they sell cheap at Lowe's but it bled like crazy. I upgraded to the Olympic pictured in the Subaru and that gave good coverage.












More to come, catching up on a few years... Mostly tool purchases next.

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