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Well I've just started reading through your thread, but what is the K-Series going into? I've got a VVC one in my little MG F and it's a cracking engine. I've got plans for getting the turbo hardware (and shorter conrods) from a 75 turbo and putting it in the F, but that's a bit of a ways away yet...
 
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Well I've just started reading through your thread, but what is the K-Series going into? I've got a VVC one in my little MG F and it's a cracking engine. I've got plans for getting the turbo hardware (and shorter conrods) from a 75 turbo and putting it in the F, but that's a bit of a ways away yet...

G'day BiTurbo and thank you for dropping by.:thumbup:

The new engine is a VVC core basically.

We have another spare VVC and the engine that is in the car currently is also a stock VVC with Piper cams and Jenvey injection bolted to a close ration box. It goes like the clappers.:3gears:

Here is a couple of snaps of the F.

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A turbo set up would be unreal, all the best with it and let us know how you get on with it.:thumbup:

PS I am not going to tell my son, not at this point in time any way.

Thanks again..:thumbup:
 

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Absolutely love the hardtop! Is that a modified factory one or a home-brew?

Jenvey TBs would be another option. Heard a couple of K-Series Caterhams with them and they sound absolutely bonkers. Imagining that just behind my head!

Love the livery as well. What series do you race in? Also, is it still hydragas or converted to TF coil springs?

Here's our F. Bought it for £150! PO was offered £100 on trade-in and wanted it to go to a good home. Did a bit of welding to the sills and it's ferried us around very nicely :)

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1/2: I'm really not sure you have the same 24 hour clock some of us do. My GOD you do get STUFF done. is the engine going in Andrew's car this weekend and is he helping or at least giving a hand when needed and a watchful eye so he can pass on some of your skills to his son?

good luck and sounds like you are on the home stretch with the WEST WING and the engine.

BOB: your posts always make me smile. thanks again and keep up the great words for all of us to enjoy.

BT: Wow that's some price for that car. i'm guessing you didn't overpay. :evil:
WELL DONE!!
 
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BiTurbo I believe it is a factory hardtop.

The Jenveys do have quite a nice sound to them, there is a link some where in the thread to some incar footage of Andrew (my eldest son) on the track. Will see if I can dig it up.:thumbup:

The car does look pretty sharp.:thumbup: Andrew runs the Super Sprint Series plus a number of hill climb events through out the year.

http://msca.net.au/

The car still has the standard hydro gas suspension and runs a fairly meaty set of brakes.

Your F looks sweet and was a steal at that price. You would never buy one out here for that.:thumbup:

Thanks again for dropping by and sharing...:thumbup:
 
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1/2: I'm really not sure you have the same 24 hour clock some of us do. My GOD you do get STUFF done. is the engine going in Andrew's car this weekend and is he helping or at least giving a hand when needed and a watchful eye so he can pass on some of your skills to his son?

good luck and sounds like you are on the home stretch with the WEST WING and the engine.

BOB: your posts always make me smile. thanks again and keep up the great words for all of us to enjoy.

BT: Wow that's some price for that car. i'm guessing you didn't overpay. :evil:
WELL DONE!!

drives, I will need at least another three days of Quality Shed Time ( QST) on the engine to get it ready to install back in the car, still its getting there:thumbup:

Meantime Mrs 1/2 Cup has been painting in the West Wing during the week, still a bit to do in that space as well but progressing nicely.:thumbup:

I do love Bobs "pearls of wisdom ":thumbup:

Again thank you for dropping by and have a great day..
 
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Well I've just started reading through your thread, but what is the K-Series going into? I've got a VVC one in my little MG F and it's a cracking engine. I've got plans for getting the turbo hardware (and shorter conrods) from a 75 turbo and putting it in the F, but that's a bit of a ways away yet...

BiTurbo here are the build specs that may be of interest:

Omega pistons modified to take OS valves.
Max Speeding rods.
Piper cams.
Piper valve springs.
Piper lifters.
Bronze valve guides.
Piper Vernier cam sprockets
Race Engineering oversized valves.
Knife edge crank.

Crack and hardness test cylinder head.
Port and polish head.
Match port the intake to the Jenvey inlet manifold.
Fit new valves and guides.
Machine head just a whisker.
Crack test crank.
Balance all reciprocating components.
Modify oil pump.

New:
Cylinder liners std 80mm bore.
Oil pump.
Up spec oil rail.
Stretch bolts
Multi layer head gasket
Water pump
ARP lightened flywheel
ARP clutch and pressure plate.
Harmonic balancer.
Blanking kit.
All bearings, seals, gaskets and all the usual hardware you would normally replace.

These guys have provided us with some great support during the build::bowdown:

http://kengine.dvapower.com/

http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/

http://omegapistons.com/tour.php

http://www.maxspeedingrods.co.uk/

https://www.facebook.com/JasonHolmesRacing/

http://www.whitepages.com.au/north-eastern-head-repairs-pty-ltd-10197864/wangaratta-vic-10197859B

Rob Oakley Automotive Machinist Shepparton for his advice, wisdom and expertise when it comes to all things engine and balance.

http://specialpistonservices.com/

and others too numerous to mention.:thumbup::thumbup:

I trust this helps:thumbup::thumbup:
 
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1/2 Cup Thanks for the treasure trove of information!

I've been keeping half an eye out for a set of the 4-pot AP Racing clone calipers that came on the Trophy cars (I think) which would help it stop very smartly :)

Shall have a look for that video too :)

drivesitfar Thanks :) I most certainly did not overpay! It's in lovely condition, even if it is 150k miles. Paintwork suggests it's been garaged most of its life, so one of the things on the to do list is to build some car ports to get it out of the elements :)

Grizz1963 It most certainly is. I've got 10 cars, and only two I've paid more than £300 for. One of those was Spit no.2 which came with a load of bits, and the other was the Jag at £1360.

The insurance on the Jag alone I think cost as much as I'd paid for every other member of the fleet at the time!
 
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BiTurbo

Thank you, his F does have AP 4 spots, we are considering installing a bias valve for a little more braking on the front.

Here is Andrews April Sprint at Winton Motor Raceway.


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Stating the obvious.........the weekend is looming rapidly.:3gears:

The to do list looks something like this:

1. Prune the climbing roses.
2. Lawns - West Wing.
3. Lawns - Home.
4. Garden bed detail - home.
5. More paint supplies from the big box store.
Note to file : Don't let Mrs 1/2 Cup to run out of paint :evil:

Quality Shed Time ( QTS ) - The engine build continues. :thumbup:

6. Install Cylinder liners.
7. Install pistons.
8. Big end bearing clearance check.
9. Big end bolts - set tensions.
10. Install new cylinder head.
11. Install oil pump.

Sundry musts:

12. Walk Shelby.
13. Smell the roses.
14. Me time.

Looking forward to it.:thumbup:

Thank you for dropping by and have a great day...
 

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Rian, not that different out here.

Try and sell a second hand car and you get nothing for it.

Utes and commercial vehicles do hold their value well.:thumbup:

Thank you for dropping by and have a great day.:thumbup:

You forgot one thing 1/2 cup.

Try and buy a second hand car and pay way too much for it.:dunno: At least that's how it is over here.
 

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That's one hell of a list... No doubt in my mind that you will get that and a few other things not on The List completed...
 
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That's one hell of a list... No doubt in my mind that you will get that and a few other things not on The List completed...

Coop, Friday evening here.

1/2 of the lawns mown - tick ( I had to be mindful of the neighbours at this hour )

1/2 of the garden bed prep done. - tick

More paint for Mrs 1/2 Cup - tick

PS she is still painting as I write this - Big tick.

So I have a head start for the weekend now its me time:beer:
 

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1/2, just caught up on the last ~25 pages, damn your thread moves fast! Great work on the electrical fitout next door, that was dicey... Interesting about the drone/UAV - we had a project to trial one at work last year, but I think it ultimately was canned. Not enough flight time to be terribly useful, and for our gear (132-500kV) I think it was decided that you'd need the equipment OOS anyway to ensure maintaining safe distances... There may also have been an accident (fortunately not with in service equipment). Interested to see how it pans out for your workplace! Great to see that K Series coming together too, good work!

Cheers,

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1/2, just caught up on the last ~25 pages, damn your thread moves fast! Great work on the electrical fitout next door, that was dicey... Interesting about the drone/UAV - we had a project to trial one at work last year, but I think it ultimately was canned. Not enough flight time to be terribly useful, and for our gear (132-500kV) I think it was decided that you'd need the equipment OOS anyway to ensure maintaining safe distances... There may also have been an accident (fortunately not with in service equipment). Interested to see how it pans out for your workplace! Great to see that K Series coming together too, good work!

Cheers,

Andrew.

Andrew thank you for dropping by and catching up on things.:thumbup:

Never a dull moment around here or at work that's for sure.:willy_nil

We have zero time at to play with the drone of late the weather has not been conducive to flying over the last month and the projects that I am involved with are fairly full on at the moment.:sad:

I still have to get five hours flight time to get my accreditation on the UAV as does my partner in crime from the surveys dept.:thumbup:

The other hold up we have had with the drone project has been with our IT dept. in upgrading our computers to effectively run the new software and integrate it into our systems, any way we will get there eventually.

Have a great weekend and nice to see you back on deck.:thumbup:
 
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What a cracker of a day, after a month or so of rain, cloud and cold we saw blue skies and the sun for a change after a chilly morning.:thumbup:

I took the opportunity to spend the day in the garden/s. No QST sadly.

Lawns Central and West wings done and dusted:thumbup:

The roses are all pruned now:thumbup:

Green Waste bins all full.:thumbup:

Garden beds made over.:thumbup:

Just a satisfying day all round.:beer:
 

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Nice weather here today too 1/2 Cup, but the grey clouds and misty rain rolled in just before dark... Hopefully it clears up by tomorrow morning.
 
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Nice weather here today too 1/2 Cup, but the grey clouds and misty rain rolled in just before dark... Hopefully it clears up by tomorrow morning.

Andrew, another nice day here ( Sunday )

I spent the day in the West Wing doing the painting cutting as Mrs 1/2 Cup was catching up to me on roller duty so I am pleased to say I have finished no more cutting in required.

Finished the day pottering in the garden over a quiet ale.:beer:
 

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I'm glad to hear you had such a successful weekend 1/2 cup. It always makes it easier to get back to the grind when you feel your days off were worth it. Sometimes I need to go back to work on Monday just so I can rest up a little.
 
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I'm glad to hear you had such a successful weekend 1/2 cup. It always makes it easier to get back to the grind when you feel your days off were worth it. Sometimes I need to go back to work on Monday just so I can rest up a little.

Dan, thank you.

Even though I did not get much Quality Shed Time the weekend was a rewarding one none the less. You are right it makes going back to work just a little easier and its a break from up and down a ladder all day yesterday the old legs are feeling it this morning let me tell you.

Have a great day and thank you one and all for dropping by.:thumbup:
 
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The Rover K series engine build update.

The reason you check, double check and check again when you are rebuilding an engine and no its not just my OCD.

Everything that Andrew has brought for the build has been new and I guess you would naturally assume that it could be bolted on and work out of the box.

Well check again.......

The oil pump came assembled and ready to bolt on as you would inspect so for what ever reason I decided to pull it apart just because and lo and behold the sealing o ring had been not located correctly on assembly and pinched which would have been a disaster had I have not done so.:shocking:

Measuring the ring gaps last weekend provide me with more questions than answers. New OEM liners ( std bore ), new pistons and new rings.:headscrat

The ring gaps we all boarder line unusable.:shocking:

Long story, short story a set of new Westward liners from QED Motorsport are on their way from the UK as we speak.

http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/qed-shop/rover-k-series/pistons/cylinder-liners-qed-banded-1600cc/1800cc

The OEM liners are being returned to sender.

Note to file: OCD....................never.

Have a great day and thank you for dropping by.:thumbup:
 
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The Rover K series engine build update.

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The oil pump came assembled and ready to bolt on as you would inspect so for what ever reason I decided to pull it apart just because and lo and behold the sealing o ring had been not located correctly on assembly and pinched which would have been a disaster had I have not done so.:shocking:

Steve

Me thinks it might have been a very expensive disaster. . . . :eyecrazy: :shocking:

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The reason you check, double check and check again when you are rebuilding an engine and no its not just my OCD.

Everything that Andrew has brought for the build has been new and I guess you would naturally assume that it could be bolted on and work out of the box.

Well check again.......

Boy could I tell some stories on that subject. But one tends to think that if it's new then it should be good to go. As you just found out, that is not always the case. It a good thing you found that and avoided a disaster.:thumbup:
 

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The I guess you would naturally assume that it could be bolted on and work out of the box.



I had this the other day. Bought a brand new set of inner (and outer) tie rods for my daily driver Alfa 156. Swapped them in (easy job), did a rough home alignment so I didn't spear off into a ditch while driving it to a 'shop to get it done properly.

First place I went to wanted to charge me £105 for a 4-wheel alignment and taking off the outer tie rods and putting them back on 'to get it in the right ballpark'. Couldn't get it into their heads that I was changing the rear suspension in a month or two's time so there was no point in a 4-wheel alignment, and were generally just rude and treated me like I was a *****. Told them to go stuff themselves and drove to work and back.

Next day went to a better place near where I work and dropped it in. Got a phone call halfway through the day saying that they'd noticed a problem.

They were turning the tie rods to adjust the tracking but the wheel was staying in exactly the same place. Turns out these tie rods are in two parts, one screwed into the other, and they were just finger tight.

I'd been driving around for ~40 miles with the inner tie rods slowly unscrewing themselves!
 

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Great progress as always and good catch on the oil pump 1/2 cup, there is very little care these days. Recently had my mechanic mate order in a rear suspension bush set for an older VR commodore. Picked them up and we did a check of what was there and they'd sent several parts for the front and not the back.

You will be very prepared for Rover K series build #2. (You know it will happen don't you ? I'm sure Andrew will be wanting a backup engine at some point :willy_nil.)

Cheers GB
 

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Nice work, well found. The OEM liners were too large I take it? You wouldn't expect that! Well done. I took my brand new oil pump apart and checked and cleaned it thoroughly too - I've read too many accounts of problems or swarf or grit in brand new pumps.
 
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Me thinks it might have been a very expensive disaster. . . . :eyecrazy: :shocking:

Lyndon
Just don't trust anyone. :thumbup:

Lyndon, a ticking time bomb at the vey least.:shocking:

Hmm. This does not sound good at all. I would not be impressed.

HOTFR8 not impressed and disappointed but happy that we found the issue now and not down the track.:thumbup:

Boy could I tell some stories on that subject. But one tends to think that if it's new then it should be good to go. As you just found out, that is not always the case. It a good thing you found that and avoided a disaster.:thumbup:

Dan, lesson learned let me tell you:thumbup:


I had this the other day. Bought a brand new set of inner (and outer) tie rods for my daily driver Alfa 156. Swapped them in (easy job), did a rough home alignment so I didn't spear off into a ditch while driving it to a 'shop to get it done properly.

First place I went to wanted to charge me £105 for a 4-wheel alignment and taking off the outer tie rods and putting them back on 'to get it in the right ballpark'. Couldn't get it into their heads that I was changing the rear suspension in a month or two's time so there was no point in a 4-wheel alignment, and were generally just rude and treated me like I was a *****. Told them to go stuff themselves and drove to work and back.

Next day went to a better place near where I work and dropped it in. Got a phone call halfway through the day saying that they'd noticed a problem.

They were turning the tie rods to adjust the tracking but the wheel was staying in exactly the same place. Turns out these tie rods are in two parts, one screwed into the other, and they were just finger tight.

I'd been driving around for ~40 miles with the inner tie rods slowly unscrewing themselves!

BiTurbo talk about lucky and it is great to hear that the problem was picked up as it was.:thumbup:

Great progress as always and good catch on the oil pump 1/2 cup, there is very little care these days. Recently had my mechanic mate order in a rear suspension bush set for an older VR commodore. Picked them up and we did a check of what was there and they'd sent several parts for the front and not the back.

You will be very prepared for Rover K series build #2. (You know it will happen don't you ? I'm sure Andrew will be wanting a backup engine at some point :willy_nil.)

Cheers GB

GB, thank you.:thumbup:

You are on the money there Andrew has build #2 on the drawing board already which is the refresh of his current engine plus enough core bits for a build #3 of which the bits are already starting to accumulate in the Shed Downunder then there is build #4 a MG TC XPAG that will be down the track which I have a period correct LAYSTALL Alloy head sitting on my bench already..:willy_nil


https://www.ukmgparts.com/product/t...fittings/laystall-alloy-cylinder-head-lch1000

No rest for the wicked.:thumbup:

One consolation though Andrew has brought me an engine stand to use, now that's one thoughtful son.
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Well picked up. You can't beat that feeling of dodging a grenade.

Terrick, thank you.:thumbup:

With out doubt it would have ended in tears.:shocking:


Nice work, well found. The OEM liners were too large I take it? You wouldn't expect that! Well done. I took my brand new oil pump apart and checked and cleaned it thoroughly too - I've read too many accounts of problems or swarf or grit in brand new pumps.

Andrew thank you, good idea you checked your oil pump.

Spot on the OEM liners were not to spec basically. Once again I will be doing the QA process just to be sure.:thumbup:

The new liners should be here by the end of the week.

Thank you one and all, have a great day.:thumbup:

Back to work now.
 

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You are on the money there Andrew has build #2 on the drawing board already which is the refresh of his current engine plus enough core bits for a build #3 of which the bits are already starting to accumulate in the Shed Downunder then there is build #4 a MG TC XPAG that will be down the track which I have a period correct LAYSTALL Alloy head sitting on my bench already..:willy_nil


https://www.ukmgparts.com/product/t...fittings/laystall-alloy-cylinder-head-lch1000

No rest for the wicked.:thumbup:

One consolation though Andrew has brought me an engine stand to use, now that's one thoughtful son.
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Excellent, I look forward to that! Any chance of a supercharger going on that XPAG? Surprised your son doesn't want to build them himself with your guidance though, I'd kill for the opportunity rather than muddling through it by myself! I'd love to build myself a reasonably period correct supercharged TC special one day.

Andrew thank you, good idea you checked your oil pump.

Spot on the OEM liners were not to spec basically. Once again I will be doing the QA process just to be sure.:thumbup:

The new liners should be here by the end of the week.

Thank you one and all, have a great day.:thumbup:

Back to work now.
How did the liners measure out compared to spec, out of interest? Who knows, with my brother now owning a relatively well used MGF I may be involved in a K Series build sooner or later myself.
 

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1/2: i have to hand it to you and the others that would pull apart a new part to see if it's built correctly. good damn thing you did too. OMG you must have an angel on your shoulder whispering in your ear or maybe you've heard or seen issues before and it triggered the thought to do it. WELL DONE!!


hopefully the engine will fit nicely in Andrew's car once you get time to do that.

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Wow! Glad you were able to catch it. It's always good not to second guess things...

Coop, so are we let me tell you.:thumbup:

Check and check again.:thumbup:

Excellent, I look forward to that! Any chance of a supercharger going on that XPAG? Surprised your son doesn't want to build them himself with your guidance though, I'd kill for the opportunity rather than muddling through it by myself! I'd love to build myself a reasonably period correct supercharged TC special one day.


How did the liners measure out compared to spec, out of interest? Who knows, with my brother now owning a relatively well used MGF I may be involved in a K Series build sooner or later myself.

Andrew, there is a fair bet he will want a blower that's if the grin on his face sitting in Henry is anything to go by.

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Henry is one of a number of prewar MGs owned by my daughter in laws uncle.

Andrew is learning all the time and does a lot of the grunt work, for mine it is all about mentoring him through the process at this point and I dare say will take on an engine build in time on his own accord.:thumbup:

What alerted me to the issue with the liners was the ring gap first up, not for a moment suspecting that a new component would be a problem. After looking a my measurements ( which by the way I did three times just to be sure ) I had Andrew contact Omega, the Piston and ring supplier and got their opinion first up and the reply confirmed our suspicions that the liners were out of spec and recommended we install the spun cast liners as they have had the same issue previously.

I am borrowing our measuring gear from work to accurately measure reaffirm that that is the case.

Looking forward to following you K Series experience down the track.:thumbup:

Thanks for dropping by and have a great day.:thumbup:
 

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Are you not using file fit rings for this build? Did you measure the bore to check piston to wall clearance? Glad you picked it up. I look forward to the supercharged XPAG build! Henry is the kind of build I have in mind - lightweight body, cycle guards, traditional wheel/tyre sizes etc. I've watched those older specials a lot of times, and they look like huge fun (and quite a challenge) to drive.
 
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1/2: i have to hand it to you and the others that would pull apart a new part to see if it's built correctly. good damn thing you did too. OMG you must have an angel on your shoulder whispering in your ear or maybe you've heard or seen issues before and it triggered the thought to do it. WELL DONE!!


hopefully the engine will fit nicely in Andrew's car once you get time to do that.

good luck

drives, sadly you do have to do it these days.

No angel ( well may be ) its always been drummed into me over the years by my peers and I guess that's something that is engrained in me.:dunno:

The car has been booked in to get dyno tuned and mapped with the old engine in two weeks time that is to establish a bench mark for the new engine. Once the new one comes together fitting it will not be an issue.( hopefully he says.)

OCD is good when you are building an engine . . . . :thumbup:

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Lynn W thank you for dropping by and I most certainly agree.:thumbup:

Are you not using file fit rings for this build? Did you measure the bore to check piston to wall clearance? Glad you picked it up. I look forward to the supercharged XPAG build! Henry is the kind of build I have in mind - lightweight body, cycle guards, traditional wheel/tyre sizes etc. I've watched those older specials a lot of times, and they look like huge fun (and quite a challenge) to drive.

Andrew, no file fit at this point.

Piston to bore was at its max as well, that's with a new set of feeler gauges that I checked against the digital calipers just for a bit of QA.

I have to admit a bit of a soft spot for that type of build as well.

Here is another from the same stable, this is an Ex Lou Molina car that is currently under going a make over. Not blown but still lots of fun and a challenge to drive as you say.:thumbup:

http://www.motormarques.com/news/melbourne-desk/item/341-33rd-historic-winton-lou-molina

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The current custodian and my son Andrew in the pits at the Winton Historics. Not long after this pic was taken it broke a crank.:sad:

I have been privileged to be able to actually work on the car, repairing the SU fuel lines and bowl overflows in copper.

Again thank you one and all, have a great day...:thumbup:
 

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I didn't know you had a TC as well, do you have any pics or is it more a pile of parts at this point? :)

My dad has one too, which my grandfather built from a wooden chassis he turned up with one day on a low-loader.

Although it's from 1948 or so, and hasn't really been touched since the 90s it's one of the better cars we've got functioning-wise :) it'll get pride of place in the new garage where we'll touch up some of the bits that have deteriorated from being outside for a couple of years while we got the house built.

Here it is at the old place :)

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