Noworries
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Are there any USA made inverter welders and who builds the inverters??
American made inverter welder?
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If there’s is one..........it’s going to be USA assembled with “global parts”.
That assembled can mean completely, sub assembled or the label was put on in the US.
The “global parts” can be all or most or some parts.
Lincoln, Miller and Hobart would be the likely US produced or assembled ..........even their ad copy and documents rarely mention where there made and what content is foreign. The box in the store likely has more info.
If you google the brand names and where they are built...........you’ll get more info.
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No they can't just put a label on it.
What is the purpose of a post like this ^^^
finn
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I agree with Its emo.
Buy the tool that does the job. The flag waving by people typing on imported computers and cell phones is hypocritical.
In other words, you have nothing of value to bring in the guy's search.
And it's not a zero sum game. It's not all or nothing on every single manufactured item that the entire country consumes. Nothing hypocritical about owning imported electronics when that's just about all that exists.
American Locomotive
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Most of Lincoln's machines are built in Mexico. I think they may also build some inverter stuff in Italy as well?
Maybe just maybe try ask the OP why he / she / it is looking for a Made In the USA inverter Welder ? If he is looking to get a quality functional welder / type or just being patriotic buyer, or the other thing. Maybe Not sure.
Miller Higher end welders are supposedly to be made in the USA. the lower end like miller 211 are not.
Not too sure about lincolns, HTP, ESAB or any other ones like Fronius
If you like to buy the stickers, then go with Dewalt or Snap-on.
Dunno... I tend to agree with ItsNemo
Buy what you needed.
Miller Higher end welders are supposedly to be made in the USA. the lower end like miller 211 are not.
Not too sure about lincolns, HTP, ESAB or any other ones like Fronius
If you like to buy the stickers, then go with Dewalt or Snap-on.
Dunno... I tend to agree with ItsNemo
Buy what you needed.
That the best welders out there are still US owned companies (Miller, Lincoln, ESAB, etc.) regardless of where they are made. The world is a small place and you cannot feasibly buy any electronic device that is 100% manufactured in the US. I actually can't think of a single electronic item that will not have internationally sourced components.
Additionally, buying a welder based on country of origin makes no friggin sense. It's like buying any USA made welder but it's only a 120v flux core welder, when you need an AC TIG machine that does 250 amps.
The reason for my post originally was simply curiousity. I have a harbor freight omnipro 220. Great machine and I would recommend it to anyone. It certainly welds beyond my abilities ( yes, I was certified- 3G) So my next question is... those high dollar snapon tools proudly made in the USA.. they made with Chinese steel??
Lassen Forge
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My old school Miller 211 is a fine machine, tho I couldn't tell you where the COO was... As to those SO tools, I bet HF steel is more Chinese than SO... Because don't'cha know everything used to be better. Like the rebar in the roads you drive on - China, or India? I even know entire historically significant large bridges that are made with Chinese steel - because the USA doesn't make structural like that any more.
Nyah nyah... told ya so!
Nyah nyah... told ya so!
BD1
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Miller, Lincoln, and Hobart are proven leaders in the industry. ALL Five of mine are Millers. My CST 280 I think is USA, that's a stick welder
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WittHay
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Miller used to be very patriotic with the stars and stripes on their 252 welders. The newer welders dont have that
The Lincoln 210MP has assembled in Mexico on it. Snap-on mig inverters are from Italy. Cant see how a circuit board can be assembled in any welder with out some or all components coming from a Asian country. Be it South Korea, Malaysia, Japan or everbodys favorite country China
If a welder is assembled in North America, there should be a big stockpile of parts somewhere in case, something needs to be fixed on your welder. Also the travel is less to keep a eye on factory quality control.
The Lincoln 210MP has assembled in Mexico on it. Snap-on mig inverters are from Italy. Cant see how a circuit board can be assembled in any welder with out some or all components coming from a Asian country. Be it South Korea, Malaysia, Japan or everbodys favorite country China
If a welder is assembled in North America, there should be a big stockpile of parts somewhere in case, something needs to be fixed on your welder. Also the travel is less to keep a eye on factory quality control.
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earthmover1980
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Lincoln Invertec, Miller XMT
Op has not bought based on coo he simply asked what was made in his home country. That's all.
I wonder if it's like this in other countries? Someone asks a simple question about what is made within their own borders and people (including foreigners) jump on them and can't contain their personal philosophies about why they are wrong to even ask.
Should several of us be on a German tool forum admonishing every German who asks about items made in Germany?
Should I be on a Canadian maple syrup website calling them all idiots for supporting their domestic maple syrup?
As far as electronic items being 100% USA made IDK, you may be right. But again what is the point? A couple of parts are imported so don't buy it?
So if it's all American don't buy it because that's a dumb thing to do, and if it's less than 100% American don't buy it because it's not 100% American. Ok, makes sense.
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Just so we are clear..I could not care less where anything is made with the exception of Jim Beam whiskey.. I am as patriotic as the next guy, 10 years with the 82nd ABN before getting injuried and medically discharged. Dues paid, in full! Personally, you are a ***** if you squawk about buying only american. I will take this one step furthur with technology what it is today why wouldnt you buy a machine that costs less and does more?? I dont buy tools based on resale value. I buy them to use, As for supporting the american worker..I have yet to be told by a customer " you know, you charge twice as much to open my safe as paco down the street but hey you are 'merican..I will gladly pay double." ****..its not even 11am and I need a drink
Buy what you need. Stick with a known brand name welder company... Don't go Amazon or Ebay on some unknown welders.. they will work, my first welder (cut520D tig/plasma cutter/stick) didn't last long, big fancy flyby night company no where to be found.. and I sucked that up as tuition and experience cost.
anyways, you'll have define what you needed/want and your budget to work with.
anyways, you'll have define what you needed/want and your budget to work with.
I don't want to appear argumentative, and I know it is completely off topic...I'm just curious, can you share the names of these bridges? I'm assuming you mean historical bridges in the US.
Thanks,
Mark
Ilikeike
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I know the "new" Ca. Bay Bridge, and I believe they had some quality issues with the China stuff.
And I do go out of my way, within reason, to buy American, cause Merica,
I paid my dues as well.and I'm having a drink now
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Well, it’s realistic to ask about maple syrup being made in Canada. It’s not realistic to ask about electronic devices (inverter welders) being made in the USA. What are you getting at here?
dnschmidt
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I like HTP which is made in Italy by STEL. It's a foreign machine that's undeniable but I'd rather support a first world country that has unions and human rights standards than those that don't. Since apparently finding anything that's made in America is mission impossible I'll settle for HTP and Fronius which I believe are Swiss made.
DSLTRK
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I think some here haven't seen how our manufacturing brawn has been gutted. Leave your cushy IT job in the suburbs and take a trip to the Midwest towns to see the effects. Then come back here and make the same comments.
For those that may find this thread and are actually, genuinely interested in a USA made inverter welder, Arcon seems to be a good option. It's also engineered here as well.
For those that may find this thread and are actually, genuinely interested in a USA made inverter welder, Arcon seems to be a good option. It's also engineered here as well.
DSLTRK
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I also question the sanity of this post. Sounds like all you really care about is the cost and never intended to be interested in an American made welder.
You do know that we need both blue and white collar jobs right? There is an equal need for those IT jobs to keep our infrastructure, economy, military, etc. functioning and the best in the world. Just the same as we need to make steel and build bridges.
(Speaking of all western society, not just the US of A)
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WittHay
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This is a inside look at a Lincon 210MP assembled in Mexico. There is a large amount of aluminum heat sinks that could come from Mexico along with the metal supports and tin work. Maybe some components from the US
It would be nice to compare a Miller 215 or ESAB multi-process to compare designs. I think a inverter welder has more to do with the initial engineering, layout/quality of components and workmanship than COO of components.
For example Everlast welders have a 3 year warranty and HF Vulcan has 90 days
As long as there is local parts and service support its a moot point but still kind of interesting how inverter welders are made
It would be nice to compare a Miller 215 or ESAB multi-process to compare designs. I think a inverter welder has more to do with the initial engineering, layout/quality of components and workmanship than COO of components.
For example Everlast welders have a 3 year warranty and HF Vulcan has 90 days
As long as there is local parts and service support its a moot point but still kind of interesting how inverter welders are made
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HMCFab9
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I drive past the Miller welding plant in Appleton Wisconsin every day.
There's no way they'd have a complex that big if they weren't building welders there
There's no way they'd have a complex that big if they weren't building welders there
bczygan
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As an academic exercise it would certainly be interesting to know the COO of all the popular welders past and present, if for nothing else, than just curiosity.
Of more use to me is quality of arc, machine features, parts availability, cost etc. Why would I limit myself based on a factor that has nothing to do with the quality of the product?
That said, even if a totally made in USA inverter welder is found, if cost is too high, or service inadequate, you are getting screwed. But if that's the trade you want to make, good.
What is really interesting to me, is how powerful the feeling are, that are generated by the COO situation. Is it the power of advertising that creates the feelings that anything made in one place is "better" than anything made in another? Is it a tribal or national thing? Is it an unwillingness to give up a long held belief, even when the reality changes? I claim to and try to buy based on concrete factors, but even then, I still have a bias that says given products identical in every way, I would choose based on intangibles like COO and familiarity and reputation of brand.
Bill
Of more use to me is quality of arc, machine features, parts availability, cost etc. Why would I limit myself based on a factor that has nothing to do with the quality of the product?
That said, even if a totally made in USA inverter welder is found, if cost is too high, or service inadequate, you are getting screwed. But if that's the trade you want to make, good.
What is really interesting to me, is how powerful the feeling are, that are generated by the COO situation. Is it the power of advertising that creates the feelings that anything made in one place is "better" than anything made in another? Is it a tribal or national thing? Is it an unwillingness to give up a long held belief, even when the reality changes? I claim to and try to buy based on concrete factors, but even then, I still have a bias that says given products identical in every way, I would choose based on intangibles like COO and familiarity and reputation of brand.
Bill
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dr_clyde
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My Miller Dynasty 200DX, Miller Invision 450 and Millermatic 350p are all inverters and USA made.
I buy USA made things when I can. I realize it’s not possible to buy 100% USA goods in today’s world, but I try to support USA manufacturers.
As someone who works in USA manufacturing, I see first hand how buying domestic goods affects my own life, my employees lives and the well being of our economy. Without global trade, we lose a big share of our customers, so I do understand why trade exists, but I also refuse to participate in the race to the bottom.
I don’t buy based on price. I buy based on quality, manufacturing ethics, company support, and what the good will do for me. Cost is still a factor, but it’s pretty far down the list.
I buy USA made things when I can. I realize it’s not possible to buy 100% USA goods in today’s world, but I try to support USA manufacturers.
As someone who works in USA manufacturing, I see first hand how buying domestic goods affects my own life, my employees lives and the well being of our economy. Without global trade, we lose a big share of our customers, so I do understand why trade exists, but I also refuse to participate in the race to the bottom.
I don’t buy based on price. I buy based on quality, manufacturing ethics, company support, and what the good will do for me. Cost is still a factor, but it’s pretty far down the list.
dr_clyde
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I guess I would prefer assembled in USA over nothing. It’s not like the USA is in the electronics business, really. They don’t have a US source for a lot of components. And even then, where do you draw the line? Made from ore mined in the US?
I would still prefer to support Miller or Lincoln as American companies that I can get parts and service for locally than some off brand just to save a buck.
I would still prefer to support Miller or Lincoln as American companies that I can get parts and service for locally than some off brand just to save a buck.