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An Update on Sears/Craftsman Feedback

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Here is some (I hope) constructive criticism.

The brand that was built up by Sears over a century, has value.

The image I have for Sears and Craftsman tools, is one of affordable, well made tools for the average homeowner, with great warranty.

I am of a certain age though. Younger people may have a different memory.

Because of the history I have in my head, I trust the name and the product.

Recently though, there has come a new line...Evolve. I don't trust this.

And now, the Craftsman line, the bedrock of Sears, is made in China. This is disconcerting. I don't like change, and I don't trust this.

I am of a generation that wants good quality tools, but I am removed from the generation that knew exactly what constituted a good tool. I don't know what kind of metals and processes create a good tool. So I have to trust the brand name.

But now you have switched manufacturing, obviously for cost reasons. Now I don't know what else you have done to cheapen your costs. Are they as good? Are they better?

What have you done to convince me that this change benefits me, and not just your bottom line?

By making this change without explanation, you have already lost my trust. It will take some good amount of effort to gain it back.

And other options are available to me. Gearwrench and Home Depot and Lowes brand tools are now in my tool chest. And more than a few Harbor Freight ones as well.

Perception is reality.

I perceive that there are other options that fit me better.

It's been a long while since I set foot in a Sears for new tools.

Bill

My sentiments exactly!!!! For now I have moved on to different brands. Sears has tarnished the reputation of the Craftsman brand so badly that it is no longer a brand that I automatically purchase when I need something. I won't even warranty my older Craftsman tools because I don't want it replaced with a crappy Chinese made version. I'm going on Amazon and buying replacements. Sad...
 
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What I got is OLDER and doing the same, replacing with other vendors as well.

MAC/Snap-On/Proto ect

Don’t know how you came up with that. Mine were "vintage" model -V- . Forged in USA. My long handle half inch had the oil fill ****** thing in it. I liked that one and used it long after I stopped using Craftsman in general.

My wife went back in with a handful for tools yesterday and gave them to the clerk and said I need to exchange these for identical tools. The kid went and produced some overseas tools. She said are they stamped made or forged in USA?. The kid said no. She then proceeded to give him the lecture about replacing it with what we purchased with the selling point "Made in USA". In the end she was given over $100 in store credit and went shopping for non-Craftsman items. I now regret selling what I sold on ebay. All US made tools. I guess that might beat them going to recycle bin but I would have rather taken the store credit and got closer to what I paid for them. I am sure they were not supposed to do that but she also got them to warranty some of my Gearwrench tools as well. She said while she was complaining she could see the others behind her in line set tools down and walk away. So in a way they made good with me but it took the manager becoming embarrassed in front of customers.
 
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I think my thoughts are the same as many others.

– Return to US manufacturing for at least some tools, with good quality.

– less gimmicky tools, more good quality proven tool designs

– The website needs an overhaul


When I saw that Menards was selling US-made tools, I bought their tools and wound up going to Menards more often, even for non-tool related purchases.
Do you realize that except for wrenches, almost all craftsman is USA made? Do you realize that they have 10 times more USA made stuff that Menards Masterforce?

These arguments are hilarious.
 

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Menards really IS the modern Sears replacement for some things, including most tools one would want. The MasterForce screwdriver line is top notch, US made by Pratt Reed, and better than the budget Craftsman screwdrivers today. Sockets and wrenches in MasterForce line are also US made by Allen. Unfortunately, MF pliers are all China coo now and hammers too. Drywall tools in MF were still US made and high quality a few weeks back when on sale. The MF cordless lineup is actually really good quality and value too. What they don't sell in the higher quality levels in their own MF brand, they sell in other brands like Hitatchi, Makita, Bosch etc. - Paul
Both Craftsman and Masterforce screwdrivers are made by Ideal. One Pratt Reed and the other Western Forge. I have both and other than having a round shank on the MF flathead, the damn things are identical. Get real.
 

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Do you realize that except for wrenches, almost all craftsman is USA made? Do you realize that they have 10 times more USA made stuff that Menards Masterforce?

These arguments are hilarious.

Really?

Wrenches, ratchets, sockets, and most of the odd bits and pieces are all made in China.

Screwdrivers and SOME of the pliers are the only Craftsman items I know of that are USA.
 

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All my craftsman tools are older and still in great shape. I will never stop using them except for their garbage ratchets. I never have been a fan of their ratchets. I have never broken a craftsman wrench or socket. That includes the tools I had when I was in the army. Which were passed down from soldier to soldier for years and years on the flight line. Im just gonna have to look on e-bay for US made replacements if I need them. To me this voids their warranty and anyone who owns craftsman tools should sue the **** out of sears and roebuck.
 

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I echo what many are saying already. The best thing I can think of about going to Sears right now is that I never have to stand in line.
 

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I echo what many are saying already. The best thing I can think of about going to Sears right now is that I never have to stand in line.

I guess i'll have to chime in after you comment. I've experienced the same thing - no lines. That's nice in a way, but the check out procedure makes me say "No" multiple times. Here goes:
Would you'll like to put that on your Sears charge?
No thanks
Do you have a Sears charge?
No
Would you like to open one today? It will save you $15.
No thanks
Can I have you phone number?
No
Would you like the extended warranty?
NO

Then, after printing out a 5 foot long receipt, I'm told to go on line and fill out something or other. Great, now they are assigning me homework which I have no inclination to do, but wonder if I should. Cue the guilty feeling. ;) So, basically I've had to disagree with everything they have asked of me in order to buy something. I find that experience less than enjoyable. Anyone else?
 

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About 95% of the Craftsman tools that I own were passed down from to me from my father and grandfathers or gifted to me (yes, someone gave me a dogbone wrench for Christmas... I use it for the magnet on the handle mostly)

I didn't believe what I read on here until I went to Sears on Black Friday and saw their "doorbuster deals" - every wrench set was made in China, every blow molded ratchet & sockets tool kit was made in China, every electric power tool and gimmicky stocking stuffer, made in China. The singles shelf near the tool department entrance was mostly USA, but that was most likely the end of their stock.

I fear that this is the end of a brand that I grew up with, and I don't see a rebirth like with SK.
 

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Menards really IS the modern Sears replacement for some things, including most tools one would want. The MasterForce screwdriver line is top notch, US made by Pratt Reed, and better than the budget Craftsman screwdrivers today. Sockets and wrenches in MasterForce line are also US made by Allen. Unfortunately, MF pliers are all China coo now and hammers too. Drywall tools in MF were still US made and high quality a few weeks back when on sale. The MF cordless lineup is actually really good quality and value too. What they don't sell in the higher quality levels in their own MF brand, they sell in other brands like Hitatchi, Makita, Bosch etc. - Paul

The only problem is that Menards isn't a national company. The nearest one to me is in Owensboro, Ky, 120 miles away. Until they expand into the South and the West, they can't hope to replace Sears.

As far as Sears/Craftsman feedback, where do you start?

The raised panel ratchets are an abomination and have been since day one. Their only redeeming quality was they were US made and you could tell yourself you were supporting American jobs, even if they were dismal performers at best. Now that small incentive is gone and the Chicom built ones are even worse quality, if that is possible. At this point they would be far better off finding out who builds Harbor Freight ratchets in Taiwan, have Craftsman stamped on them and sell them at a similar price point as HF. Why would I buy the RP junk for more money than a decent 72 tooth HF ratchet? Simple answer, I won't, and neither will anyone else who has modicum of tool knowledge and isn't a ***** blindly buying Craftsman because that's what Grandpappy used to fix his car in 1951.

If you must outsource tool production, at least use a country that has an understanding of how build things for a Western market, such as South Korea or Taiwan. What passes muster for working on a horse drawn wagon in China won't cut it here. Maybe one day China will catch up, but today is not that day.

Take a virtual wrecking ball to the website and start over. That thing is godawful. Simple is good, complicated is bad. Not a hard concept. Make a mobile version that interacts well with Android and iPhone, maybe even a good app. This ain't 1997.

Lose the gimmicks. The ratchet that you shove the handle in and and it spins the head has got to be the stupidest thing I've seen lately. All those open end wrenches with the cut outs to supposedly make them faster are silly as hell too. If I want a ratchet wrench I'll buy one.

I'm sure that there is more feedback I could think of, but I've wasted enough time and inconvenienced enough electrons with what I've already written, as I am relatively sure that I could mail this to Santa Claus and it would be more likely to be read than the likelihood of anyone in power at Sears reading it.

Meanwhile, here's what I think are the real world possibilities for Craftsman at this late date. Sears, by all accounts, is on life support and they will be pulling the plug soon.

Scenario 1. Craftsman goes down with the ship and ceases to be a brand. I consider this unlikely.
Scenario 2. Craftsman is bought by someone looking to break into the DIY/homeowner market, such as Snap-On.Tool line is revamped and brought to decent standards. One of the best outcomes, but I'm not sure it's very likely.
Scenario 3. Craftsman is spun off into it's own entity. Could be good or bad, depending on management.
Scenario 4. Craftsman goes the way of other old names in tools like Thorsen and is bought simply to slap on the lowest quality imports possible.
 

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Really?

Wrenches, ratchets, sockets, and most of the odd bits and pieces are all made in China.

Screwdrivers and SOME of the pliers are the only Craftsman items I know of that are USA.
You aren't looking then. Pliers, pry bars, levels, squares, hammers, cutters, chisels, punches, screw drivers, nut drivers, adjustable wrenches, pipe wrenches, snap ring pliers, and way more. Add to that that the good ratchets are US and Taiwan. The reversible combos and flex heads are identical to gearwrench.

Menards is way more offshore and Lowe's, Home Depot and HF is totally offshore.
 

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I'm pretty sure I can find most of that stuff in a US-made version at HD and Lowe's.

But, that's really besides the point. While Sears certainly is still carrying some US-made tools, and some of that under the Craftsman name, the majority of shelf space is dedicated to imported stuff, and a large amount of THAT is under the Craftsman name.

Quite frankly, the products you named take up far, far less shelf space than the stuff that has been outsourced, like wrenches, sockets, ratchets, etc.

And, quite honestly, the stuff that's still US-made? Assuming that it's not NOS, and actually still in production, if Sears keeps stays on the same track, it's only a matter of time before that domestic supplier is passed up in favor of a cheaper import.

I truly do really hope these threads being read by Stuey's contacts at Sears change what seems like an inevitable outcome, but, ultimately, I'll believe it when I see the outsourced hardline return to domestic production.
 

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Craftsman brand dilution.... :lol_hitti

What do Craftsman branded fuzzy slippers imported from China do to help protect the Craftsman brand name?

The Craftsman division of Sears/Kmart Holdings need to protect the brand by jettisoning the junk. Otherwise it will go the way of the Joe Boxer brand at Kmart, I.E. irrelevant.
 
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A guy from Smyrna, GA invented the idea of quick release mechanism on ratchets and Sears stole the idea and marketed it as their invention. He sued and won and now Sears is paying him hefty royalties in addition to a lump sum settlement where he does not have to work anymore!!! Aside from the lump settlement, he is getting filthy rich from the royalties alone.

Craftsmen has gone down the tubes and now you can't hardly find good woodworking tools from them anymore and hard to get replacement parts. I had a 9/16" and 5/8" boxed end wrench that I bent using my own muscles. Since Craftsman have lifetime warranty on those wrenches, they accused me of using a pipe to add leverage of which I denied. They were hesitant to issue me a replacement until I pointed out their slogan "Satisfaction Guaranteed" and got the replacement!

Overall, I am done with any business related to Sears. That includes K-Mart and Allstate!

Also they add 50 cents to any credit card statements in addition to finance charges which in mind is just a greedy way of doing business. I do not know if they still do it as I have destroyed my Sears card 10-15 years ago!
 
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I have Lowes, HD, HF, Autozone's etcetera. If I need a cheap Asian tool I can go a mile or less in any direction and end up with a decent Taiwanese tool. K mart is closer than Sears to me but I stay away from made in China till they are on track with Taiwan. As for US made and the future I believe it is politics and the American mindset. I ship stuff overseas semi-regularly and most countries outside the US pay a tariff on imports.

For me it is not necessarily a made in the US thing on tools. My Grandmother and my Mother worked for Sears back in the day. I grew up with Craftsman tools and the fact that they were made in the US and satisfaction guaranteed. Simply put when they switched to the Chinese manufacturers I was not satisfied because I already preferred the auction of the Cheaper 72 tooth Taiwanese ratchets over the American 36 tooth. Shoot I will take a Taiwanese 36 tooth over a Craftsman 36 tooth over less slop.

My points would be we Americans made the market what it is today. Perhaps Sears should have done more with its "Evolve" line and did what HF, Great neck/Duralast/OEM, Gearwrench etc. did and offer a good sealed head fine tooth SO knockoff and kept us happy and coming back for more. The traditional line would have died off but isn't that what’s happening anyway? They could have done this without killing the brand and perhaps the store and just sold out in a different way.

Since it is probably too late now for Sears my advice to them is similar to what some of you are saying. They used to be a Catalog store before a mall popped up in every city. Now they need to focus on on-line sales which is what they seem to be doing in haphazardly way. But for them to try and compete with Amazon it may be too late. That doesn't really help the Craftsman fans over warranty.

Like with Gearwrench who wants to mail in a warranty claim and wait for it to come in the post? I don't mind Gearwrench and have a few Ratchets and wrenches but if it wasn't for having a Fastenall close by I would have just passed them over warranty. I have never liked that about the Apex tool group. Anyway why would anyone want to keep the Craftsman brand alive after Sears is finished destroying it?

They would just be warranting the massive amount of existing Craftsman sort of like Sears is doing now. I just do not see huge profits in that unless they go to the bottom of the bottom of Chinese manufacturing and hope the majority of people still using Craftsman will remain loyal after the brick and mortar Sears is gone. I do not wish ill will on any American worker but I would bet in the not so distant future Sears will be gone for the most part and Craftsman tools will be disposable relics of a different time. It is all of our fault not just Sears for not keeping up with the times. They should have "evolved".

RIP
 

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You aren't looking then. Pliers, pry bars, levels, squares, hammers, cutters, chisels, punches, screw drivers, nut drivers, adjustable wrenches, pipe wrenches, snap ring pliers, and way more. Add to that that the good ratchets are US and Taiwan. The reversible combos and flex heads are identical to gearwrench.

Menards is way more offshore and Lowe's, Home Depot and HF is totally offshore.

Chisels were recently outsourced, they were made by the same people that make the pliers, prybars, adjustable wrenches, punches, and screwdrivers. Soon your list may be cut in half, defending Sears by saying they still have a considerable USA base is futile as soon it will, one by one, whither away like the company itself.

The good ratchets..that makes me laugh, you mean the ones they introduced after they **** on the entire Cman name and outsourced the hardline tools? They then bragged about the premium ratchet being made here. Problem with that is, everyone was too afraid to buy it because it could be Chinese the next month.
 

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Nothing Kobalt or Husky at all is US made last I checked. Go ***** about that for a while guys. I will happily use my USA, Taiwanese and Chinese Craftsman tools daily to make money. They are still a great value and haven't let me down. But by all means, wax nostalgic about ****** USA made raised panel 34 tooth ratchets, by all means.

The Sears/Craftsman bitching here just gets so old. In my line of work, Industrial Maintenance, Craftsman is pretty much universally the best stuff we use.

Everything HF I have ever gotten is ****, Kobalt is nice but a lot more expensive than Craftsman on most things. Masterforce is a very small line and most of the stuff you end up getting at Menards is toolshop or performax, which is totally identical to HF stuff. There is no Home Depot close by, but from the small bit of stuff I have seen the Husky line is pretty poor.

That is the competition, face it, you cannot keep making things in the US and be cost competitive when it comes to the average Joe, non automechanic, guy. You should not compete at a higher price point because the people will not care!

I actually think Craftsman does well, it is everything else at Sears that is pulling them down. Why are so many Mom and Pop Sears stores that sell appliances, tools and lawn equipment still going if it so bad? Mom and Pop family owned places surely couldn't hold on otherwise. Jewelry? Clothes? TVs? Shoes? Who buys that at Sears or any other mall anchor store at all anymore? The problem is the changing face of Commerce in general. Stand Alone Big Boxes rule. The mall is dead.
 

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Masterforce is a very small line and most of the stuff you end up getting at Menards is toolshop or performax, which is totally identical to HF stuff.
Crescent has actually taken over a large chunk of the sockets and wrenches at Menards. Seemed like Gearwrench stuff re-badged as Crescent and reasonably priced.
 
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You aren't looking then. Pliers, pry bars, levels, squares, hammers, cutters, chisels, punches, screw drivers, nut drivers, adjustable wrenches, pipe wrenches, snap ring pliers, and way more. Add to that that the good ratchets are US and Taiwan. The reversible combos and flex heads are identical to gearwrench.

Menards is way more offshore and Lowe's, Home Depot and HF is totally offshore.

You're looking at NOS on some items. It's just a matter of time before the USA stuff is gone. I hadn't seen anything from Western Forge be replaced until they did the chisels, I suspect the contract for other stuff might be coming to an end too. WF/Ideal is about the last major player of US stuff for Sears/Craftsman.

Pry Bars - nope, no longer made by Wilde
Chisels - Just saw the new WF replacements a week ago. Now in China and completely different from the WF counterparts.

I'll disagree with you about Menards though, I think they offer at least as many choices of USA tools than anybody on that list. You can get Masterforce USA sockets, ratchets, combo wrenches, and screwdrivers. They carry an extensive line of Channellock for pliers, and I've noticed more Wilde showing up with punches and chisels. You can get everyting you listed from Sears (if they carry it) at Menards and USA made, though it may not be the Masterforce brand.

Now, on the flip side, they offer all of those tools in an import version too if that's your cup of tea. There are many Performax tools that are just versions of Harbor Freight. The new addition is Crescent which will likley be a big seller since they offer a pretty good selection and have complete sets.
 

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The Sears/Craftsman bitching here just gets so old. In my line of work, Industrial Maintenance, Craftsman is pretty much universally the best stuff we use.

That is the competition, face it, you cannot keep making things in the US and be cost competitive when it comes to the average Joe, non automechanic, guy. You should not compete at a higher price point because the people will not care!

Hmm...

Craftsman 9 pc metric socket set - 3/8 drive, 6pt, metric $17.99

http://www.craftsman.com/craftsman-...p-00934541000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6

Masterforce 9 pc metric socket set - 3/8 drive, 12pt, metric $19.99

https://www.menards.com/main/tools-...tric-12-point-socket-set/p-1503276-c-9159.htm

Now you could argue that you get a 16mm with the Craftsman vs. the 9mm with the Masterforce, so there's that. However I do see them as price competitive, especially for a USA made tool.
 

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I have purchased Craftsman Tools from Sears for 30+ years .
I have old craftsman tools from my grandfather dating way back .
This is a complicated issue .
We as a nation have over regulated our own country but other countries are not held to the same standards . Which in turn equals a cheaper finished product
by outsourced entities .
We are the leader in starting the slow process of protecting our environment .
But this in turn is hurting our own people /economy by outsourcing jobs
left and right .
Sears is a corporate machine run by performance/ and profit .
However it is still a private company trying to operate under strict guidelines ,
Paying substantial tax , fee's and I'm sure a lot more than we know to stay in business in the U.S . As well as creating many Jobs .
I believe the problem is bigger than just outsourcing .
They need to stay in business and make a profit , We love our American tools .
I am willing to pay a bit more for U.S.A made tools from Craftsman .
Anyone else agree ?
As a whole we are producing less and less product and more service oriented nation . If we all contribute a little more money to our very special U.S. Made Products I can't help but think we are helping our own Country , Family , Friends.
Anyone else have thoughts on this ?
 

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The Sears/Craftsman bitching here just gets so old. In my line of work, Industrial Maintenance, Craftsman is pretty much universally the best stuff we use.

I've got to say I feel sorry for you and your coworkers if the best you can do is Craftsman.
 

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I've got to say I feel sorry for you and your coworkers if the best you can do is Craftsman.

At retail? That could be the case for them. Depends on what they actually use; armstrong craftsman (industrial or otherwise) is better than anything else at retail...with an in store warranty.

At 1/2 and 3/4 I don't think anyone would see any difference in performance. I've had warpage with the US made 3/8" so I doubt the chinese is any better. Retail warranty can be very important to people who don't have redundancy or coworkers they can borrow from.
 

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Sears is done, I dont see a recovery coming as they are in debt and have closed to many stores to reinvent themselves. They have foolishly kept kmart for some reason and if you have been in those stores recently they are dirty and unorganized. Bad decisions and now they have lost loyal customers. See Ya Sears............
 

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Crescent has actually taken over a large chunk of the sockets and wrenches at Menards. Seemed like Gearwrench stuff re-badged as Crescent and reasonably priced.
Crescent, Gearwrench, Masterforce, all made by Apex. So is the newer Craftsman stuff.

It's all Chinese, I thought we were bitching about that? My large end wrenches, 1 inch to 1 1/4 inch are those Crescents. I like them very much especially for the price.
 
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I've got to say I feel sorry for you and your coworkers if the best you can do is Craftsman.
Tool trucks don't stop at factories. Do you want us to just not fix things while we hunt down a snappy truck?

Our choices are Craftsman, Kobalt or whatever Menards has. HF is an hour away. I rarely warranty things but it is important to be able to stop by after work to replace anything that may break.

Online purchases are not an option. My tools are a mix of Craftsman, Kobalt, Channellock, Knipex and Gearwrench. My Menards will warranty the last three no questions asked. I do have duralast sets of large hex sockets.
 

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Crescent, Gearwrench, Masterforce, all made by Apex. So is the newer Craftsman stuff.

It's all Chinese, I thought we were bitching about that? My large end wrenches, 1 inch to 1 1/4 inch are those Crescents. I like them very much especially for the price.
The crescent sockets were all Taiwanese at Menards. Wrenches sound like they were chinese though.

Most people are not complaining. They're simply voting with their wallet and moving away from poor quality China tools in favor of better made USA or Taiwanese tools. Even better made China tools would appease some people. It's why every time I go to Sears or Kmart it's a ghost town and I fully expect them to close at some point.

If Craftsman is all the same as everyone else, then why bother buying it? I can shop somewhere else more convenient that offers lifetime warranty tools. Just doesn't seem practical. At least for me, prices at Menards and Lowes on tools have often times been better than Sears. IMO, Menards and Lowes will be around a lot longer than Sears/Craftsman for the rare times I have some warranty issues.
 
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Crescent, Gearwrench, Masterforce, all made by Apex. So is the newer Craftsman stuff.

It's all Chinese, I thought we were bitching about that? My large end wrenches, 1 inch to 1 1/4 inch are those Crescents. I like them very much especially for the price.

Yes, they are all APEX, so is Armstrong but it's made in the USA. Not all APEX tools are made in China. Masterforce sockets and wrenches are USA. I compared a Masterforce 13mm to my Craftsman USA 13mm and they were almost identical, including finish (save for the RP of course). Same open end, same boxed end and same length.

I agree with you, the large Crescent wrenches are a deal at Menards. A 2" combination wrench for $30 is tough to beat.
 

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Both Craftsman and Masterforce screwdrivers are made by Ideal. One Pratt Reed and the other Western Forge. I have both and other than having a round shank on the MF flathead, the damn things are identical. Get real.

I much prefer the modern Pratt Reed at Menards to the modern or older cheap Western Forge screwdrivers from Craftsman. Now the Craftsman Professional ones I like better than both, but those are gone now. I think I am quite "real". My point was mainly, that I can go into Menards and see far more tools selection now than my Sears. Mine carries very few tools left anymore. What is there is more % foreign than US for sure. Menards has alot of % foreign too, but they also have alot of US options. They are not national - that is true. Sears used to be national, but that is changing fast. I think Sears should just sell Menards the Craftsman brand and let them handle it. It would be much much better served than it has been at Sears the last 20 years or so, unfortunately. - Paul
 
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^^I have so little faith in Sears and Sears Customer Service my immediate thought was please post back if your $25 gift card actually works. I'm not saying they are deliberately trying to rip anyone off, but rather they're so incompetent and their entire IT infrastructure so seemingly spotty that things just don't work.

I haven't heard back from them but if they do call I will update.

They called today. 30 minute call asking about Craftsman and Sears. Pretty much told them everything in this thread and told them to read it. They said they have been reading comments here to better help us.

I doubt our rants make much of a difference.

Got my $25 gift card by email 5 minutes later.

Do I actually think that my feedback will help? Probably not.

But, I got $25 for my time. I'm sure I can find some tool to spend it on.
 

AceofSpad3s

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They called today. 30 minute call asking about Craftsman and Sears. Pretty much told them everything in this thread and told them to read it. They said they have been reading comments here to better help us.

I doubt our rants make much of a difference.

Got my $25 gift card by email 5 minutes later.

Do I actually think that my feedback will help? Probably not.

But, I got $25 for my time. I'm sure I can find some tool to spend it on.

Sweet, Think I am going to do that, I wouldn't mind picking up one of those wilde usa prybar sets for $5. Do they select you or could you just make a call to a number?
 
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Hmm...

Craftsman 9 pc metric socket set - 3/8 drive, 6pt, metric $17.99

http://www.craftsman.com/craftsman-...p-00934541000P?prdNo=6&blockNo=6&blockType=G6

Masterforce 9 pc metric socket set - 3/8 drive, 12pt, metric $19.99

https://www.menards.com/main/tools-...tric-12-point-socket-set/p-1503276-c-9159.htm

Now you could argue that you get a 16mm with the Craftsman vs. the 9mm with the Masterforce, so there's that. However I do see them as price competitive, especially for a USA made tool.

both made by apex.
cman, apex asia
masterforcs, apex USA
(didnt read the whole thread, sorry)
 
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and thanks Stuey, for the communication with Sears.
i read most of the replies on your site.
Hope they change, i really dont think so.
 

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Sweet, Think I am going to do that, I wouldn't mind picking up one of those wilde usa prybar sets for $5. Do they select you or could you just make a call to a number?

They have to email you for the offer.

Not sure if it's random selection or it's because when I worked there as a manager 3-4 years ago I bought a huge amount of USA tools and I am a VIP Platinum member.

You could try and email [email protected].
 
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