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tarbellb

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My favorite corded grinder is a Hitachi....

The G12VE (now G12BYEQ)- Brushless, variable speed, safety clutch, safety start, and a incredibly skinny body for easy manipulating

Smooth as butter, plenty of power. I grab this before my same spec German made Metabo + Fein, Milwaukee, Dewalt, etc...



granted its a $150+ grinder, but not much more then some crappy Dewalts, Milwaukees, etc...

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Lucid Moments

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Never buy cheap consumables. When that 99 cent grinding disc lets go at 10,000 rpm things get exciting fast. Especially if you were running it without the guard.

Paco
I am also convinced (with no real evidence) that quality consumables do a better job and last longer too. Cheap consumables have always seemed like a false economy to me.
 

Xcursion88

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LoL no it hasn't...what personal story do you have to back up such a ridiculous claim?
Perhaps it was something he seen using one of those flashlight door prizes. The fact that Horrible Freight was even brought up I refuse to acknowledge.
 

IndyGarage

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Clearly you haven't bought any DeWalt lately. Recent production is not much better than Harbor Fright.
(Or, you are expecting the DeWalt to kill you?)
I have a couple of DeWalt grinders.

My largest grinder is a giant and heavy DeWalt 9 inch with an 8 inch cup wire wheel on it. It is a heavy monster and I can only use it for about 5 minutes before my arms give out and I can't hold it anymore. It'll take the paint and rust right off anything however. If the incredible hulk needed a grinder, it would be for him. It is well built and has take everything I've thrown at it.

I also have a DeWalt 4 1/2 with a paddle switch. It runs well and has plenty of power, but it overheats when you run it hard. I've had that thing so hot that I couldn't hold onto it anymore. And since it's a paddle you have to hold onto it. Furthermore - the location of the paddle is terrible - it's way up near the guard position - so you can't get any leverage on the tool.

Previously I had another Dewalt Grinder that fried it's motor after getting too hot.

Sorry based on that, I cannot recommend the 4 1/2 inch Dewalt Grinders.
 

IndyGarage

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skip to where he takes them apart and you can see why HF is $20 and metabo germany is over $100.

I like the video. There were a couple things I'd like to point out and one surprise for me.

He said the Makita and Harbor Freight had cheap powdered gears - which is probably true, however there's no evidence that they do not hold up for the life of the grinder. I want the manufacturer to find ways to keep the cost down that do not affect reliability. He said the Rigid and the Metabo had properly "hobbed" gears - which as I recall is the wrong term. Spur gears are cut on a hobbing machine.

What is interesting is the Metabo had straight bevel gears - which are generally very noisy - I don't know how they keep the noise and vibration down with that setup. They must have much better tolerances than the others. Also, if the rigid had a cut spiral bevel gear - the gear alone would be incredibly expensive to make - that would surprise me.

Both the Rigid and the Makita had a spiral bevel gear - which is the best for transmitting power without creating a bunch of heat and vibration.

Personally I like Metabo, Makita and Hitachi (which of course is now Metabo HTP) in that order.
 
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Al Borland

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LoL no it hasn't...what personal story do you have to back up such a ridiculous claim?
Not a "ridiculous claim" at all. In fact no claim made whatsoever. He stated "Consider it a lifetime purchase."
I was questioning that ridiculous statement. Recent DeWalt is not very good.
Home Office is BIG on DeWalt, and we use a lot. The decline in quality is quite apparent compared to DeWalts of 5-10 years ago.
 

ItsNemo

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Not a "ridiculous claim" at all. In fact no claim made whatsoever. He stated "Consider it a lifetime purchase."
I was questioning that ridiculous statement. Recent DeWalt is not very good.
Home Office is BIG on DeWalt, and we use a lot. The decline in quality is quite apparent compared to DeWalts of 5-10 years ago.

I've been buying (a lot of) Dewalt tools for at least that time period and haven't noticed any decline whatsoever.
 

wantedabiggergarage

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First and foremost, no matter what you get, get a face shield.

I have three grinders, a HF which is my lawn mower blade/shovel/garden tool sharpening one, I can leave in the shed. (it can also be a backup so I don't have to change a bunch of discs)
Then a Metabo (when I found a new one for $60) and a Hitachi ($40), that I use with a grinding disc and a cutting disc respectively. I know multiple people that have used HF ones for one project and with intermittant use, they get years out of them. The pro that I know uses them, prefers Metabo (wanted the one in my hand at the price I found), then Bosch for his light duty ones.
 

Paco Pena

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One thing with cheap grinders and maybe even better ones is to open up the gear case and use a good quailty grease. I have seen many ship almost dry and using cheap *** grease. They will last longer and run cooler.

Paco
 

ToolRoom

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Reading all the comments about Metabo and Metabo HPT is interesting from the perspective of someone outside the U.S.

I'm really not so sure there was an intentional bait and switch tactic - The story I heard was they intended to rebrand as HiKoki in the U.S. just the same as the rest of the world. But there was such strong objection from the focus groups that at the last minute that they abandoned it and went with Metabo HPT. Everywhere else they are certainly marketed as two clearly different brands aimed at different sectors - although some of the design innovations have started to trickle across.

It is also worth noting that Metabo has an "economy" line of Chinese made grinders, and actually quite a few of their tools are now made in China. Only their top end grinders are still made in Germany.

I do like Metabo grinders a lot, most of mine are Metabo, they just run smoother and the guards well thought out too.
However the HiKoki/Metabo HPT ones are certainly not POS. My G13SE2 is an excellent grinder, made in Malaysia.
The G23MR is one of the few grinders you can still buy with an metal motor housing, and was made in Ireland until quite recently.

Vibration is a serious consideration in the commercial world, so Metabo are king in this respect - but I'd not write of other brands, especially for a couple of limited projects such as the OP's request. I bought a really cheap generic grinder in a clearance sale for the equivalent of $10 over a decade ago. It's been given hell, spent most of its days running a wire wheel, gone through three sets of brushes and only recently died. I only expected to get one or two jobs out of it. Money well spent! To the OP for his situation, I'd say just buy a cheap one and treat it as disposable.

5” Rat tail paddle is my preferred weapon of choice.
 
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