Any ******** american fans?

[Bennylava]

I was just wondering if there are any members on this forum, that could be described as "********" american tool fans. This means, that if its not american made, they won't have anything to do with it. People who will ONLY buy american tools.

For me its a pipe dream, but for others I can see where it may be possible. Perhaps you got rid of all your chinese tools, in favor of only american. And now you will only buy american. That would also qualify. The only exception will be, is that if an american made version isn't available, and you need the tool and its not possible to buy american.

 

[Spdfreak91]

Every tool I own is american,except for one facom made in italy ratchet that i just got for XMAS, description lied and said american.

 

[LXCam]

Oh boy........and then it started

 

[PelicanPines]

I solved the whole problem by only buying tools with American dollars. Quality can happen in other countries...

 

[jd_1138]

I try to buy USA/European made tools 90% of the time. Sometimes I will buy Taiwanese made tools. I avoid Chinese tools.

I think it's important to put one's money where their mouth is. If someone can afford quality tools that aren't made in horrible sweat shops, I think they should buy them. But if money's tight, then I can certainly understand just buying what you can afford.

 

[KnurledNut]

"Breaker breaker MickeyO...whats your 20?"

 

[jd_1138]

"Breaker breaker MickeyO...whats your 20?"

Looks like we got ourselves a convoy.

 

[bczygan]

Fan is short for FANATIC.

The one American tool I will never give up though, is the one I came equipped with.

 

[Infinia]

. Perhaps you got rid of all your chinese tools, in favor of only american. And now you will only buy american.

I think you got the cart before the horse,... sonnyboy
we started with 'merican and then things looked sideways.
BTW America consists of two Continents in the world North and South

 

[Tom.C]

BTW America consists of two Continents in the world North and South

Nonsense.

 

[brihvac]

I love when people are all pro American...yet drive a foreign car. Hypocrites.

 

[woody 73]

Mickey O comes to mind have not seen him post in a long time.

 

[Infinia]

Nonsense.

here let me Google that for you https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=what+country+is+america?

 

[Tom.C]

here let me Google that for you https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=what+country+is+america?

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Turbo_Scott]

I am close to having all American made tools.

I sold off my Gearwrench stuff when they sent me a Chinese replacement.

My Milwaukee M12 and Dewalt 20v are "holdouts" but I like them and it is unlikely that I will replace them unless they break. My brake piston retractor is Taiwan COO. I think my Matco ratcheting screwdriver is Taiwan as well.

I try to NOT buy Chinese made anything unless there is no alternative.

However, I do consider Euro or Japanese COO tools. The Wiha precision torx drivers and the KTC XL double box wrenches come to mind.

 

[ALinCarolina]

I search for quality and glad when it's American and prefer it. But I have some German and Swiss tools for instance that are higher quality than any others and have no qualms about buying them. I also have some Japanese tools like wood chisels and cutlery that are fantastic.

 

[outdoorspace]

I have a preference for American goods but rarely at the expense of quality. The vast majority of my hand tools are American but I have owned plenty from Germany, Italy, Japan, Romania, Taiwan, Spain and France. I avoid purchasing goods from countries whose governments are actively working against the interests of my country or its own people. Similarly, I often refuse to do business with or purchase goods from any organization, domestic or multinational, whose business practices I am opposed to.

 

[Duct Tape Man]

I am a die-hard American, through and through - and 95% or more of my hand tools are American-made - but I have a few odds and ends that are European or (gasp!) Asian in origin. I support American jobs whenever I can, but a well-made tool is valued by me, regardless if it was made in the USA, England, Germany, Japan, Italy, or even China. Try finding any power tool made in USA anymore, it's darn near impossible.

 

[goingtoarizona]

I only buy USA made tools with some very minor exceptions. Most of the time American tools are the best. I used to be an automotive tech and I could only afford to do the job once, my job counted on it. I pretty much only use Snap on hand tools. They look, feel and perform the best. If I round the head of a bolt, it's going to set me back anywhere from 10 minutes to several hours, depending on where the fastener is located.

Now I work around the house, on our cars, and at my laundromat. Between all the stuff that breaks, needs maintenance, and my full time job, I don't have time to eff around with crappy tools.

I was thinking about bit the other day and it occurred to me that even just the pride with using quality tools instills the incentive to do a better job at what ever repair I do.

As far as power tools, I have a twenty year old Makita drill that still kicks ****. It was made in Japan though. For other power tools I'm buying used American stuff.

On a similar note, I got a free drill press from a sales promotion at my previous job. It's a Chinese Delta branded drill press. 5 or 6 years in, may be 200 holes drilled, most in wood, the quill is loose and needs repair.

The worst thing is that when you look at the prices of a lot of this Chinese junk, they cost as much as USA tools. They sell them really cheap to the box stores, who mark them up 4 or 5 times or more and you wind up paying as much for **** as you would for quality tools. I recently got a HF catalog in the mail and most of the stuff is either one or two use and throw it away, or just as expensive as quality tooling.

 

[Tenex]

I've seen plenty of examples when an American tool cost just as much as the Chinese equivalent. It's extremely frustrating because all we ever hear is how American labor is too expensive and businesses just can't compete. It's really just a ******** cover-up for corporate greed.

 

[Musicinabottle]

Guilty as charged!

 

[Musicinabottle]

I've seen plenty of examples when an American tool cost just as much as the Chinese equivalent. It's extremely frustrating because all we ever hear is how American labor is too expensive and businesses just can't compete. It's really just a ******** cover-up for corporate greed.

..................That is so true!

 

[davethorik]

I love when people are all pro American...yet drive a foreign car. Hypocrites.

What is funny when people say this to me, is that my Honda was built in Marysville, Ohio. My old boss had a Toyota Tundra built in Texas. BMW has or had a plant in SC.

Back to the topic at hand, I do prefer USA tools. I'm not USA only, I own a few German and Japanese tools. Mostly NWS and Knipex, Mitutoyo machinist tools, and a pair of Hozan pliers. But 90% of my tool collection is USA. The short list is a Crescent set in a plastic carry case that my dad bought me when I was in HS, my Milwaukee demo screwdrivers (Taiwan), and all my Milwaukee 18v stuff (China).

 

[Empty Pockets]

The vast majority of my tools are USA or Canada. I have a several European and Japan, some Taiwan and a few China.

I will always look for North America or Europe first, but I'm not wedded to the concept

 

[6PTsocket]

We all know plenty of stuff from China is over priced junk and we need to support American production if we are to have any industry left but Made in USA is no absolute guarranty of quality. We have made our share of junk too. Competition keeps everybody honest. Make **** and I will buy elsewhere. A prime example is the late Craftsman before they went Chinese. I saw some really reject stuff. Set a low price point and somebody will meet it.High end power tool manufacturer Powermatic was almost destroyed by owners that milked it dry and invested nothing. It was rescued by new owners. Harley Davidson was almost destroyed by AMF but was saved when the management bought it. Rockwell ownership was not a good thing for Delta and Porter cable. USA first but it had better be worth it

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[DanielC99]

I love when people are all pro American...yet drive a foreign car. Hypocrites.

I've never met anyone that was not a hypocrite in some way, myself included.


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[kctyphoon]

I love when people are all pro American...yet drive a foreign car. Hypocrites.

I love it when people brag about only buying american tools - and then leave out the part that most of them are old items bought at flea markets and pawn shops for 5 and $10 - yet they talk about how buying new imported tools is killing the economy and costing jobs.

A big part of the problem isn't that people WONT buy American - it's the greed of some American companies that assign insane prices to their products for no other reason than they feel they can. Their analogy is why bother trying to sell 50 cars a week to 50 people, when they can sell 1 really expensive car a week to 1 person and make the same profit with less employees and lower operating costs on their end..

It's a good business model, but only for the people at the top that make the real money.. it's kinda funny when you think about it. They sell the "support American jobs" pitch - yet they could easily expand production, bring costs down, give out a lot more of those "American jobs", and still be extremely profitable - BUT - they choose not to do so because it's easier to manage a small group and focus on the small high priced market where people are willing to give money away for a brand name..

 

[WWheeler]

When I buy anything I try to buy the best quality I can for what coin I have at the time. Whether I have had time to shop around or whether it's something I need right now ASAP is also a big factor. Most of my hand tools are made in USA, but that's mostly because most of my hand tools are old and that was the best option available to me at the time.

I pretty much lack any sort of nationalistic pride. I could not care any less for a flag or a border or a system of government over any other. I don't think more or less of anyone or anything, including a business or it's products, based on whatever side of some imaginary lines on a map he/she/it was unfortunate enough to be born. I let each and every person or thing earn my respect or dismay and decide whether I choose to associate myself with he/she/it or not based on their own merits weighed against my own wants/needs.

That's not to say that when shopping for a product I haven't noticed that hand tools with a COO of USA or Germany or other EU countries tend to be better quality by and large than tools made in Korea or Taiwan or China, or even that those made in Taiwan tend to be better quality than comparable ones in China. The pricing on them tends to reflect as much also. I love my old USA Craftsman tools and it saddens me to see the difference in the line now that it's made wherever else for as cheap as they can get away with, but it's the change in quality, not country, that is the reason for my dismay.

There's lots of factors to weigh when considering a purchase, but the attempted brainwashing by forcing kids to memorize and recite a 'pledge' when they are too young to even understand what it means just isn't a factor that I take into consideration.

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I'll just toss this out there:
Most 'made-in-the USA' car: Toyota Camry
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/

 

[brihvac]

I've never met anyone that was not a hypocrite in some way, myself included.


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I am too. I was not saying I am one of those guys. My wifes friends husband will actually fight you about not buying American cloths, cars, tools, everything BUT he rides a foreign motorcycle. I call him a hypocrite when he starts his preaching. Told hm to buy a Harley then come talk to me

 

[bcradio]

Not this again

 

[franzdom]

I like European and Japanese tools, not so keen on Chinese. For me it's much more about quality than xenophobia.

 

[ChaseDE]

of all my tools most are all USA. old snap-on and oldish craftsman tools. this is because i inherited or they were gifts from my dad and or grandpa.

if i am going to buy a new tool, car, whatever myself though, i am going for bang for the buck whether it is foreign or domestic.

 

[thegroundpounder99]

I love American made tools and own a lot of them. As a pro though, it's really hard to have a 100% American set up. Either it doesn't exist or really hard to justify the higher price. There's good tools made in a lot of places. I'm all about quality tools no matter where it's made these days. It's no secret Made in the USA doesn't mean what it used to sadly.


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[6PTsocket]

When I buy anything I try to buy the best quality I can for what coin I have at the time. Whether I have had time to shop around or whether it's something I need right now ASAP is also a big factor. Most of my hand tools are made in USA, but that's mostly because most of my hand tools are old and that was the best option available to me at the time.

I pretty much lack any sort of nationalistic pride. I could not care any less for a flag or a border or a system of government over any other. I don't think more or less of anyone or anything, including a business or it's products, based on whatever side of some imaginary lines on a map he/she/it was unfortunate enough to be born. I let each and every person or thing earn my respect or dismay and decide whether I choose to associate myself with he/she/it or not based on their own merits weighed against my own wants/needs.

That's not to say that when shopping for a product I haven't noticed that hand tools with a COO of USA or Germany or other EU countries tend to be better quality by and large than tools made in Korea or Taiwan or China, or even that those made in Taiwan tend to be better quality than comparable ones in China. The pricing on them tends to reflect as much also. I love my old USA Craftsman tools and it saddens me to see the difference in the line now that it's made wherever else for as cheap as they can get away with, but it's the change in quality, not country, that is the reason for my dismay.

There's lots of factors to weigh when considering a purchase, but the attempted brainwashing by forcing kids to memorize and recite a 'pledge' when they are too young to even understand what it means just isn't a factor that I take into consideration.

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I'll just toss this out there:
Most 'made-in-the USA' car: Toyota Camry
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/29/survey-top-made--usa-cars-toyota-honda/86510052/

I started out to refute your arguments but realized that it would be a waste of time so instead I will just remind you that you have stepped over the line into the political. It is one thing to discuss buying Anerican to get the best quality or even to save our manufacturing. It is quite another to read a whole page of you renouncing your US citizenship. It is against forum rules. If you don't want to be flagged, stay within reasonable limits.


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[ChaseDE]

IDK man, I think you are taking his post out of context/stretching/spinning what he meant.

 

[Super Sport]

Originally when putting my tool "collection" together I wanted 100% USA-made. I quickly learned that the Europeans offer some great products, and have acquired quite a few. I also have a few specialty tools and other odds and ends that are made in Asia that would be too costly for me to source a USA made product for the few times it will really be used. Overall, my tools are probably 90% USA made, 5% European, and 5% Asian.

I try to support American jobs when I can. It's not about quality of the product, it's more about fair wages, national economic/trade policies, good working conditions, and less environmental impact. Of course I also like to support our national economy and local employment. While I admit I do buy plenty of Chinese goods, I do look at COO on everything I buy and will pay more for an American made product.

 

[Tonellin]

I am too. I was not saying I am one of those guys. My wifes friends husband will actually fight you about not buying American cloths, cars, tools, everything BUT he rides a foreign motorcycle. I call him a hypocrite when he starts his preaching. Told hm to buy a Harley then come talk to me

The irony of you telling him to buy a harley, yet they are made in other parts of the world, is mind boggling

 

[6PTsocket]

IDK man, I think you are taking his post out of context/stretching/spinning what he meant.

Disscussing boarderless countries and unlimited immigration and disrespect for the flag is not about tools. It is straight politics and not what I come here to discuss. It is debated quite enough elsewhere. If you subscribe to his beliefs, perhaps you both can discuss it on a more pilitical site and not try to sneak it in here.

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[ChaseDE]

Disscussing boarderless countries and unlimited immigration and disrespect for the flag is not about tools. It is straight politics and not what I come here to discuss. It is debated quite enough elsewhere. If you subscribe to his beliefs, perhaps you both can discuss it on a more pilitical site and not try to sneak it in here.

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its ok to be wrong sometimes. but im not going to continue the argument. i will take my leave from this topic.

 

[Tonellin]

I started out to refute your arguments but realized that it would be a waste of time so instead I will just remind you that you have stepped over the line into the political. It is one thing to discuss buying Anerican to get the best quality or even to save our manufacturing. It is quite another to read a whole page of you renouncing your US citizenship. It is against forum rules. If you don't want to be flagged, stay within reasonable limits.


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What an insane reaction to a well written post.

It's against forum rules to talk about how he loves his old craftsman tools but has no loyalty to a certain brand nowadays and instead basis his purchases on the merit of each tool? Get off your soap box you nut