Any ******** american fans?
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And Made in USA with global components is not the same as good old American-made. Its too bad its hard to tell now where anything is really made. For all we know, materials could be coming from deep within the Earth's core (pun intended).
I love it when people brag about only buying american tools - and then leave out the part that most of them are old items bought at flea markets and pawn shops for 5 and $10 - yet they talk about how buying new imported tools is killing the economy and costing jobs.
A big part of the problem isn't that people WONT buy American - it's the greed of some American companies that assign insane prices to their products for no other reason than they feel they can. Their analogy is why bother trying to sell 50 cars a week to 50 people, when they can sell 1 really expensive car a week to 1 person and make the same profit with less employees and lower operating costs on their end..
It's a good business model, but only for the people at the top that make the real money.. it's kinda funny when you think about it. They sell the "support American jobs" pitch - yet they could easily expand production, bring costs down, give out a lot more of those "American jobs", and still be extremely profitable - BUT - they choose not to do so because it's easier to manage a small group and focus on the small high priced market where people are willing to give money away for a brand name..
brihvac
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Wrong
Also American company...money stays/comes back to America. Shocks, battery (mine actually says USA), and a few electronics are made overseas. Harley Davidson (Sold in USA) is built/assembled in the USA. The only ones not assembled here are only the ones sold in foreign countries. All the ones sold in America, are built in America.
http://backintheusa.us/articles2.php?title2=HowAmericanisHarleyDavidson
http://www.harley-davidson.com/content/h-d/en_US/company/locations.html
Whats mind boggling is you didn't do any research before posting
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I agree. Plenty of people will complain about jobs leaving the US but will turn around and spend their money buying goods that could be made in America. I've seen a few politically passionate shoppers at HF/Walmart with some strong words about China "taking our jobs"...
There are plenty of quality tools made elsewhere, including Asia. The reason I've stared to buy only US made is to give my neighbors a job. When I cant buy new, I buy used on Ebay or at flea markets. Luckily I haven't needed a tool that I haven't been able to get this way.
damnesia
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EXACTLY who knew it would turn to ****
I knew it would
Oh boy........and then it started
Didn't have a clue
damnesia
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My assumption is that most of the foreign, non-European tools we have access to in the US are made for export. Which leads me to believe these countries probably have good, quality tools in their domestic markets. I could be wrong. A coworker of mine who moved here from India accidentally brought a set of wrenches he inherited and had never used, so he gave them to me. They're nice wrenches. Well made with good steel. They are what I use have in the tool box in the house.
PeterT
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I buy American almost always, I avoid the junk made in China or India,, its my money I'll spend it how I want to
Teenager with old tools
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American tools filling my American toolboxes next to my American made workbench (made by me so it has to be American) with Sheldon lathe next to it. American vise on the bench. I even try to wear American made stuff. Found USA made shirts at Walmart so my shirts boots hat knife sunglasses and ring are all American. The pen I carry is made here by me sadly Chinese parts on it. My jimmy is American sitting on American made tires. My display cabinet is American made. Got sick of cheap **** years ago.
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coldh2o
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These threads always make me feel so left out 
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619DioFan
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I spend MY American earned money on tools based on their quality , performance and affordability and don't really care where they are made , example- Milwaukee fuel m18 impact- show me an American made one that is affordable , same quality ,as strong and at least as good of a warranty and I will consider it. until then....
posted from my non-American made computer , and in before this topic becomes a total train wreck and NUTTSGT crushes it.
posted from my non-American made computer , and in before this topic becomes a total train wreck and NUTTSGT crushes it.
how do you know if a product is 100% american, battery, electrical components, steel, copper could be made in china but the goods are made in america by non american workers (cant prove every worker is american). cars made by non american robots and so many loop holes
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While perusing through an antique store over the holidays, I saw a nice display of tools that Ford used to supply with their vehicles. Stamped with the Ford script too. 
In keeping with that theme, some of my tools match the country of origin of the vehicles they work on.. Most match the country of origin of the replacement parts they get used on though.
In keeping with that theme, some of my tools match the country of origin of the vehicles they work on..
Most match the country of origin of the replacement parts they get used on though. Now you know what it's like to buy Snap On
Found this today. Yeah that's insane
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I have 5 snap on screwdriver sets, they didn't cost that much combined! Lol
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zendigital
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A good tool's a good tool, COO is an after thought.
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toolman9w
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Quality over COO every stinking time!!
jeffmoss26
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Ibtl
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I've always bought American whenever I could, but these days, that's often not possible.
I like to preserve old American-made tools and machinery with the thought that someday, maybe some kid will look at it, and think " Once upon a time we could make whatever we needed right here in the US"
I like to preserve old American-made tools and machinery with the thought that someday, maybe some kid will look at it, and think " Once upon a time we could make whatever we needed right here in the US"
Well for me, its more about quality. As americans, we're inherently concerned with who can do it best. Its just our way. We have a free market, and so if japan makes a better 4 door gas saver, we're going with japan. If its Ford, we're going with American. That said, its just that american tools are pretty much the best, most of the time. These days you have to pay through the nose for that, but still. To be clear that's not to say that I wouldn't love to see it all be american. Imho, that would be very cool. But we also believe in our own system, which means we go with whoever can do it best. Which helps, cause it fosters competition which means we get better stuff for lower prices.
Someone please tell me if I have this right: There should be two reasons a lower quality tool, has a higher chance of rounding a bolt. 1. Its not quite hard enough. It will "stretch" a bit, and give way under pressure. This can make it slip along the bolt, and could result in rounding it. 2. It doesn't fit the bolt head well enough, due to poor/cheap manufacturing techniques. Its got too much slop and thus has a higher chance of rounding the bolt head.
But who says that all the bolt heads are made to spec? Maybe there are some that are not, because of poor/cheap manufacturing techniques.
I too consider this post to be quite political in nature, and request to have it and all corresponding posts cleaned from the thread.
Also I would like to say that for me at least, this is a serious attempt to learn. I am trying to work out several things for myself, which is why I started this thread. So if there is a mod or admin available, I would like to also request that all the garbage posts such as "Ibtl" and "not another one" and "this thread will soon be closed" and the like, to be deleted. For me at least, its a real topic and one that I feel I can learn from.
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Impossible to own only made in USA tools.
crewchief888
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sorry, i disagree
it's possible to have only USA made tools...
but, is it practical?
i have a mixture of USA and off shore made tools and equipment. for the most part, hand tools are USA, power tools and equipment were mostly made off shore. ive been wrenching on const eq for over 30 years, & do some welding/fabricating for myself and a couple friends
they all serve their intended purpose...
bczygan
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The COO thing cannot be a rational discussion.
It can only be emotional.
Humans are hardwired to be members of groups,
Bill
It can only be emotional.
Humans are hardwired to be members of groups,
Bill
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I cannot say I only buy USA tools, but I do when I can. I have a wide array of snap on, mac, matco, craftsman and the like but also Chinese and other asian made tools, if they do there job and I don't use them every day I really don't care.
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In tool buying, quality and price are important considerations for everyone, and they can be directly measured and compared pretty easily. Determining the value of your purchase is a whole different story. That's completely subjective based on the ideals, beliefs and practical circumstances of the individual.
In my view, china scores among the lowest in all of the points mentioned above. Beyond that, they are the friend of our enemies (i.e. North Korea) and the enemy of our friends (i.e. Taiwan, Japan etc.), and indeed are our enemy, actively engaged in destructive behavior against us (espionage, hacking, economic warfare) and actively support groups engaged in direct hostilities with us through funding, training and supplying weaponry etc. I am the greater fool, because I'm someone who realizes that china and the west are on a collision course yet I still compromise and buy their goods occasionally.
If quality and price are comparable (ruling out places like India where price is great but quality is substandard), I try to support my own country and our allies. Here's the short list of those countries:
The following countries currently have mutual defense treaties with the U.S.
They've clearly demonstrated their commitment to our common well-being.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) - 28 Member Countries
Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia,Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United States of America, United Kingdom
Other Mutual Defense Treaties with the U.S.
Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Philippines, Republic of Korea, Thailand, Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela
Informal Arrangement
Israel
Additional countries who have recently fought and died alongside U.S. service members or otherwise assisted in response to the 9/11 attacks:
Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Bosnia & Herzegoniva, Egypt, Georgia, India, Ireland, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Macedonia, Malaysia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Oman, Qatar, Singapore, Switzerland, Tajikistan, Tonga, Unite Arab Emirates, Ukraine, Uzbekistan
These countries have supported U.S. efforts in small ways in OEF/OIF, but have also directly supported groups engaged in active hostilities with the U.S. and our allies. They basically shake our hand while trying to slit our throat.
People's Republic of China
Iran
Russia
Pakistan
Finally, Mexico is our neighbor to the south and is an important part of North American culture and heritage. While they certainly have some serious issues, supporting quality manufacturing and sustainable jobs is just as important for Mexico as it is for Detroit when it comes to reducing crime in North America.
These are great points worth repeating, and companies offering better marks in any of these areas will be perceived by most as more worthy of patronage.
In my view, china scores among the lowest in all of the points mentioned above. Beyond that, they are the friend of our enemies (i.e. North Korea) and the enemy of our friends (i.e. Taiwan, Japan etc.), and indeed are our enemy, actively engaged in destructive behavior against us (espionage, hacking, economic warfare) and actively support groups engaged in direct hostilities with us through funding, training and supplying weaponry etc. I am the greater fool, because I'm someone who realizes that china and the west are on a collision course yet I still compromise and buy their goods occasionally.
If quality and price are comparable (ruling out places like India where price is great but quality is substandard), I try to support my own country and our allies. Here's the short list of those countries:
The following countries currently have mutual defense treaties with the U.S.
They've clearly demonstrated their commitment to our common well-being.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) - 28 Member Countries
Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia,Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United States of America, United Kingdom
Other Mutual Defense Treaties with the U.S.
Australia, Japan, New Zealand, Philippines, Republic of Korea, Thailand, Argentina, Bahamas, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela
Informal Arrangement
Israel
Additional countries who have recently fought and died alongside U.S. service members or otherwise assisted in response to the 9/11 attacks:
Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Bosnia & Herzegoniva, Egypt, Georgia, India, Ireland, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Macedonia, Malaysia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Oman, Qatar, Singapore, Switzerland, Tajikistan, Tonga, Unite Arab Emirates, Ukraine, Uzbekistan
These countries have supported U.S. efforts in small ways in OEF/OIF, but have also directly supported groups engaged in active hostilities with the U.S. and our allies. They basically shake our hand while trying to slit our throat.
People's Republic of China
Iran
Russia
Pakistan
Finally, Mexico is our neighbor to the south and is an important part of North American culture and heritage. While they certainly have some serious issues, supporting quality manufacturing and sustainable jobs is just as important for Mexico as it is for Detroit when it comes to reducing crime in North America.
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sorry, i disagree
it's possible to have only USA made tools...
but, is it practical?
i have a mixture of USA and off shore made tools and equipment. for the most part, hand tools are USA, power tools and equipment were mostly made off shore. ive been wrenching on const eq for over 30 years, & do some welding/fabricating for myself and a couple friends
they all serve their intended purpose...
Common hand tools sure... but power or specialty tools? For me its quality, value and then COO. US is nice, but not a requirement.
crewchief888
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Hmmm, you buy all American tools. Then you happen to drive by the factory one day and see that over half the vehicles in the lot are foreign. This means that by buying the American tool you have enabled other people to send the money overseas.
You have now cost even more Americans their jobs than you saved.
You have now cost even more Americans their jobs than you saved.
