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chinese or american, the vice grips put all the fancy branded european grips to shame including the snap on and the proto grip on ones.

Id disagree. Ive got a few pairs of new Blue Points and theyre awesome. The new Irwins tho are complete **** comparatively.

yes, but if you look in any tradesmans tool pouch/bag/box/case or whatever, youll see plenty of chinese tools, plus a bunch of kliens, rigid stuff,and a lot of home depot/lowes branded items(chinese of course).

Depends on the tradesman. My brother works for a utility company, theyre only allowed to buy American unless they cant find it otherwise. Everything theyve ever needed, theyve found domestically. Similarly, the plant connected to my office also only buys domestic brands bc were a premium brand w/a premium price tag to our product, so theres no skimping on anything. Customers do judge us on less.
 
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Come on over to Dewitt, NE, and see firsthand how Irwin "honored" the American workman!
Ask my friends, neighbors, and co-workers. See the shambles the once neat and well run factory is now.
Makes me want to puke. Once was a great place to have a career, support a farm during hard times, or just to work! The Peterson family put back into the community in so many ways. All Irwin did was to **** the life out of it.
Those commercials are nothing but a slap in the face!
 
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I am another person that only buy's NOS or used Vise Grips and I don't buy the ones marked irwin either. Some of the factory worker said that irwin was already using cheap imported parts to make up Vise Grip's and still marking them USA made even before they said assembled from global components on the package. irwin is just another warehouse company for chinco junk with once proud US produced names attached. I read many stories online about the factory closing in Dewit and it wasn't like those people were geting rich as workers their just a fair deal for both sides and irwin killed it. irwin could have run that factory for a good while on just what they blow as sponsorship money at Bristol for the nascar race just so the big wigs can wine and dine an show off for their buddies at the races. I'm sure they all show up at the suites with polo shirts and lowfers with tassles on them so they look the role and none of them have any torn up fingers or hands unless it happened on a golf course during work hours.
 
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In the stories I read from laid off workers stated that things they used to fail for in QC were being told pass them and ship for sale once irwin took over. Things like jaw hardness and side to side play and closed jaw fit etc. I did not read about rejecting things just they were told to loosen things ie quality and ship them, now that is what I read from stories about the plant closing and long time workers from Vise Grip before irwin and such.
 

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I don't believe marketing campaigns.

I never buy Irwin tools.

I don't give a $h!t
 

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Almost as shameful as the fact that Budweiser is allowed to advertise their rice based, vaguely alcoholic beverage as beer!!! :spit:
 

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I'm glad to see mention of the Bridgeport head bolt. I caught that and backed it up on the DVR first time I saw the commercial.

Reminds me of another commercial (Sears/Craftsman maybe?) where they show snugging a trailer ball nut with pliers.
 

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those commercials ****.. Real shame..

Guys... it's a ******* bridgeport, its job is to make parts. Those bolts are big, cheap and easy to replace. If all I had was a vise grip, then that's what I'm going to use. I wouldn't think twice about it and I certainly wouldn't waste 5 minutes walking across the shop to find a wrench. If it was my home, personal bridgeport, yeah I'd open one of my nicely organized drawers on my toolbox and pull out the right wrench, but that's not a reality in many production environments.

I would send you home for being to lazy get the right tool, or for not having the right tool on you.. I mean one would assume your going to work on the bridgeport any tech worth a damn would take the needed tools Not a freaking vice grip to destroy the thing with. They are a last resort tool for removing destroyed hardware usually caused by a lazy slob that would not walk 5 minutes to get the right freaking wrench. :wtf:

Good to see you would take care of your tools at home but not the tools of the company that gives you money to survive with. :shocking:
 

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Those ads are annoying, no doubt, but it's all about maximizing profits for the shareholder. I recently picked up a Stanley thermos bottle in a store and couldn't believe how light and cheaply made it was. Made in PRC. Really sad. But I'm betting it was made exactly to specs.
 

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Some people have posted that they don't care if tools are made in China and that is their right. I for one never buy inferior Chinese tools and only buy US, Canadian or if I have no other choice, tools made in Germany. At least Canada and Germany have a high standard of living and the chances are that goods manufactured there are not made with slave, or near slave labor. I will still buy US made Vice Grips off of eBay because an American got paid to manufacture them at some point. I also only buy American made cars. I've been driving American cars for almost 48 years and they have served me well, and so have American tools. I also only buy American made shoes. Allen Edmond's, Alden's, Red Wings or New Balance. Although with the latter two you have to watch what you are buying because they have budget Asian lines.
Buy American, the job you save may be your own. :thumbup:

When you say you "only buy american cars" do you mean american MADE cars like the nissan altima (among many other "imports" of course), or american OWNED car companies (like the chevrolet silverado.. built in mexico with foreign and domestic parts)?

Both companies provide a living wage to many americans, it seems some of the more.. geriatric aged people cannot differentiate what makes an "American product" american. The altima, is, for all intents and purposes, more american than the silverado. Same with shoes.. allen edmond.. assembled in the us with foreign and domestic materials.
 

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At least it's a commercial trying to honor the working stiff. All too often in this country people that get their hands dirty or have their name on their shirt are looked down upon. Besides marketing and commercials are never reality. :dunno:

Other observations:
You may get bent out of shape over chinese made tools being hawked on tv with the american worker but, more than a few people here beat feet down to lowes to trade in their harbor freight pliers for some free Irwins. :lol:

I don't think all of the chinese and mexican made auto parts care where my tools are made when I remove/install them.

Lastly, I know choice and favorite tools are an individual preference but, to say that old US Made vise grips are vastly superior to Grip ons, is just wrong on several levels but, that's just me:wtf:
 

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Both companies provide a living wage to many americans, it seems some of the more.. geriatric aged people cannot differentiate what makes an "American product" american. The altima, is, for all intents and purposes, more american than the silverado. Same with shoes.. allen edmond.. assembled in the us with foreign and domestic materials.

all the profits head back to japan, Theres alot more to building a car than just a assembly plant, before the first car rolls down the line theres minimum 5 years of work, The current 2014 corvette began development in 2007
 

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so your proud to be an american, so you only use american products, which basically means you walk around naked, have no electronics in your home, no toys for the kids, no computers to type on garage journal with, no bed spread, or silverware to eat with, no lawn and garden equipment, and the insides of you american cars are empty cause, who do you think makes all of those components for your car. radio? little electric motors, or you must be a billionaire to afford nothing but american made products.

Doesn't have to walk around naked because there ARE American made clothes out there.

Doesn't have to resort to Asian made electronics, because there ARE higher end US made electronics out there.

Doesn't have to have toy-less kids with companies like Green Toys and Uncle Goose pumping out quality, and affordable, fully American made toys today.

They might still be using an American assembled computer - old but it still works.

I know there must be a company that makes a bedspread in the USA, even if it's a lady out of her home.

I just discovered "Rada" makes affordable dinner knives (no forks or spoons, but huge selection of knives).

I still see American made lawn and gardening products in stores over here (Canada).

As for cars, saying it's an "empty cause" is like saying "my dad lost use of his left arm after the stroke, and just shuffles around when walking. He's also lost some of his memory too - he doesn't remember me some of the time. I think it's time to give up on him and just let him die."

Well maybe your father was a American hard working s.o.b. that built this country you live in ....maybe in the form of building American cars. Maybe along the way his company outsourced some of the parts here and there because they had to compete with the foreign car companies (or maybe they were in fact plain greedy), so yes, now your father has lost some of his working "parts", but he (just like the remaining American manufacturing workforce) hasn't lost his faith in you being there for him and supporting him - at least what's left of him. He was there for you and supported you. It makes moral sense to reciprocate.

There are a lot of American owned companies left, still making products in the U.S. You just have to keep an eye and ear open for them. It's ignorant to think they don't exist and it's impossible to buy American.

I honestly can't remember the last product I've purchased that wasn't made in Canada, USA, or Europe. I've been able to steer clear of asian made products for about the last 5 years. I buy what I need or want, and save up my money to buy quality domestic products. I don't get sucked into cheap deals, just to save my OWN wallet. I'm looking out for YOUR wallet too.
 
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This one bothered me a bit. Apparently theyve gotten a bit of **** about them tho bc of the rather inappropriate use of tools they depict. In this one, a vise-grip must be a "precision" tool.

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Every shop seems to have a hack like this (e.g., that would use vise grips on a milling machine) but usually not for long. Too bad the damage is usually done before he's sent down the road.

It's a poor reflection of the sensibilities of the american worker.
 

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Guys... it's a ******* bridgeport, its job is to make parts. Those bolts are big, cheap and easy to replace. If all I had was a vise grip, then that's what I'm going to use. I wouldn't think twice about it and I certainly wouldn't waste 5 minutes walking across the shop to find a wrench. If it was my home, personal bridgeport, yeah I'd open one of my nicely organized drawers on my toolbox and pull out the right wrench, but that's not a reality in many production environments.

"There's a butcher in every shop"!
 

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When you say you "only buy american cars" do you mean american MADE cars like the nissan altima (among many other "imports" of course), or american OWNED car companies (like the chevrolet silverado.. built in mexico with foreign and domestic parts)?

Both companies provide a living wage to many americans, it seems some of the more.. geriatric aged people cannot differentiate what makes an "American product" american. The altima, is, for all intents and purposes, more american than the silverado. Same with shoes.. allen edmond.. assembled in the us with foreign and domestic materials.

No offense, but dont believe what you read on the net. FWIW, my parents new Silverado was built in Michigan, and Ive been to enough of the foreign car plants domestically to tell you NOT to believe the bs you read about them being **% made here. Slapping pre-assembled doors, wheels, and a foreign badge on a body followed by installing a drivetrain and painting does not an American car make.

Contrary to the belief of some, the "Made in USA" badge gets more laughable every year.
 
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Doesn't have to walk around naked because there ARE American made clothes out there.

Doesn't have to resort to Asian made electronics, because there ARE higher end US made electronics out there.

Doesn't have to have toy-less kids with companies like Green Toys and Uncle Goose pumping out quality, and affordable, fully American made toys today.

They might still be using an American assembled computer - old but it still works.

I know there must be a company that makes a bedspread in the USA, even if it's a lady out of her home.

I just discovered "Rada" makes affordable dinner knives (no forks or spoons, but huge selection of knives).

I still see American made lawn and gardening products in stores over here (Canada).

As for cars, saying it's an "empty cause" is like saying "my dad lost use of his left arm after the stroke, and just shuffles around when walking. He's also lost some of his memory too - he doesn't remember me some of the time. I think it's time to give up on him and just let him die."

Well maybe your father was a American hard working s.o.b. that built this country you live in ....maybe in the form of building American cars. Maybe along the way his company outsourced some of the parts here and there because they had to compete with the foreign car companies (or maybe they were in fact plain greedy), so yes, now your father has lost some of his working "parts", but he (just like the remaining American manufacturing workforce) hasn't lost his faith in you being there for him and supporting him - at least what's left of him. He was there for you and supported you. It makes moral sense to reciprocate.

There are a lot of American owned companies left, still making products in the U.S. You just have to keep an eye and ear open for them. It's ignorant to think they don't exist and it's impossible to buy American.

I honestly can't remember the last product I've purchased that wasn't made in Canada, USA, or Europe. I've been able to steer clear of asian made products for about the last 5 years. I buy what I need or want, and save up my money to buy quality domestic products. I don't get sucked into cheap deals, just to save my OWN wallet. I'm looking out for YOUR wallet too.

I could write about this topic for days on end...but I don't have the time or inclination to do so. Here's the summary...you can't legislate greed or morality. End of story.

"There has been class warfare going on," said Warren Buffett, famed investor and chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, in a September 30, 2012 interview on PBS. "It's just that my class is winning. And my class isn't just winning, I mean we're killing them."

I guess it's better to be the guy doing the investing than the guy doing the work...who knew?
 

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all the profits head back to japan, Theres alot more to building a car than just a assembly plant, before the first car rolls down the line theres minimum 5 years of work, The current 2014 corvette began development in 2007


and you're fool enough to think "murican car" profits stay here?




Doesn't have to walk around naked because there ARE American made clothes out there.

Doesn't have to resort to Asian made electronics, because there ARE higher end US made electronics out there.

Doesn't have to have toy-less kids with companies like Green Toys and Uncle Goose pumping out quality, and affordable, fully American made toys today.

They might still be using an American assembled computer - old but it still works.

I know there must be a company that makes a bedspread in the USA, even if it's a lady out of her home.

I just discovered "Rada" makes affordable dinner knives (no forks or spoons, but huge selection of knives).

I still see American made lawn and gardening products in stores over here (Canada).

As for cars, saying it's an "empty cause" is like saying "my dad lost use of his left arm after the stroke, and just shuffles around when walking. He's also lost some of his memory too - he doesn't remember me some of the time. I think it's time to give up on him and just let him die."

Well maybe your father was a American hard working s.o.b. that built this country you live in ....maybe in the form of building American cars. Maybe along the way his company outsourced some of the parts here and there because they had to compete with the foreign car companies (or maybe they were in fact plain greedy), so yes, now your father has lost some of his working "parts", but he (just like the remaining American manufacturing workforce) hasn't lost his faith in you being there for him and supporting him - at least what's left of him. He was there for you and supported you. It makes moral sense to reciprocate.

There are a lot of American owned companies left, still making products in the U.S. You just have to keep an eye and ear open for them. It's ignorant to think they don't exist and it's impossible to buy American.

I honestly can't remember the last product I've purchased that wasn't made in Canada, USA, or Europe. I've been able to steer clear of asian made products for about the last 5 years. I buy what I need or want, and save up my money to buy quality domestic products. I don't get sucked into cheap deals, just to save my OWN wallet. I'm looking out for YOUR wallet too.


name ONE american MADE tv. Please.




No offense, but dont believe what you read on the net. FWIW, my parents new Silverado was built in Michigan, and Ive been to enough of the foreign car plants domestically to tell you NOT to believe the bs you read about them being **% made here. Slapping pre-assembled doors, wheels, and a foreign badge on a body followed by installing a drivetrain and painting does not an American car make.

Contrary to the belief of some, the "Made in USA" badge gets more laughable every
I have a silverado in my driveway. I assure you its assembled in Mexico, with FOREIGN and domestic parts. But I guess I cant trust the truck's sticker/documentation either huh? You can't offend me.. especially when you have no idea what you're talking about.
 

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last time I checked GM, Chrysler, and Ford were global corporations. A quick internet search reveals they have true "manufacturing" plants all over the world. They are investing in all other countries around the world except for the United States. So how exactly does that strengthen our USA economy when you purchase one of these brand names? Just because they have "assembly" plants located in the USA hardly constitutes the fact you are buying an American car.
 

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I have a silverado in my driveway. I assure you its assembled in Mexico, with FOREIGN and domestic parts. But I guess I cant trust the truck's sticker/documentation either huh? You can't offend me.. especially when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Sorry you chose poorly at your dealer, but theyve been made both in Mexico and Flint for several years now. I havent been there in about two years, but IIRC the grapevine correctly theyve been ramping down in Mexico and ramping up at Flint, and my folks said the dealer that sold theirs had a pretty complete lineup all born at Flint.

http://www.mlive.com/business/mid-michigan/index.ssf/2013/07/flint-built_chevy_silverado_gm.html

Nope, I dunno a thing, Im just-an-engineer. :3gears:
 
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"...I guess it's better to be the guy doing the investing than the guy doing the work...who knew?..."

I did. It's always been that way.
 

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Doesn't have to walk around naked because there ARE American made clothes out there.

Doesn't have to resort to Asian made electronics, because there ARE higher end US made electronics out there.

Doesn't have to have toy-less kids with companies like Green Toys and Uncle Goose pumping out quality, and affordable, fully American made toys today.

They might still be using an American assembled computer - old but it still works.

I know there must be a company that makes a bedspread in the USA, even if it's a lady out of her home.

I just discovered "Rada" makes affordable dinner knives (no forks or spoons, but huge selection of knives).

I still see American made lawn and gardening products in stores over here (Canada).

As for cars, saying it's an "empty cause" is like saying "my dad lost use of his left arm after the stroke, and just shuffles around when walking. He's also lost some of his memory too - he doesn't remember me some of the time. I think it's time to give up on him and just let him die."

Well maybe your father was a American hard working s.o.b. that built this country you live in ....maybe in the form of building American cars. Maybe along the way his company outsourced some of the parts here and there because they had to compete with the foreign car companies (or maybe they were in fact plain greedy), so yes, now your father has lost some of his working "parts", but he (just like the remaining American manufacturing workforce) hasn't lost his faith in you being there for him and supporting him - at least what's left of him. He was there for you and supported you. It makes moral sense to reciprocate.

There are a lot of American owned companies left, still making products in the U.S. You just have to keep an eye and ear open for them. It's ignorant to think they don't exist and it's impossible to buy American.

I honestly can't remember the last product I've purchased that wasn't made in Canada, USA, or Europe. I've been able to steer clear of asian made products for about the last 5 years. I buy what I need or want, and save up my money to buy quality domestic products. I don't get sucked into cheap deals, just to save my OWN wallet. I'm looking out for YOUR wallet too.

what, do you live in a f'ing log cabin with no electricity, the ideas and thoughts you say are true about american products, but i doubt he owns all us made electronics, and the fancy silverware, and the green toys, much like most humans, that make average money, we still have to live, therefore we need to save where we can.
i just hate hearing that people only buy american because almost everything we everyday people have, has something foriegn about it wether we like it or not.
its not always the companys fault, at times, a company can either A: go out of business, or B:send the jobs overseas, they choose B, why, because nobody wants to go out of business. i love my gas gusseling 2012 caddillac escalade, it was made in austin tx, and im damn proud to buy an amercan made vehicle, as i hate these little foriegn jobs, and also the wanna be foreign cars(many new style sedans seem to all have the same apearance of an infiniti or a lexus with the shape and light styles and etc....), anyway, if i tore apart my caddy, im sure that radio is not american made, im sure the computer and the motors for the winsheild wipers, power windows, the sensors, all the little components are made elsewhere, i love the car, i love american vehicles, even if they are made in italy or mexico or where ever as these factories are all over for the big motor companies, but, ill accept what it is today. either accept it or become a stress monster because your so fed up, i choose to enjoy my life and my family(all american) so i wont worry about what i cant control, ill just adapt.

oh by the way, even our electricity is being controlled by a british company(national grid) for a lot of areas.
 
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Id disagree. Ive got a few pairs of new Blue Points and theyre awesome. The new Irwins tho are complete **** comparatively.

the blue points are irwins....http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?item_ID=646570&group_ID=682419 made in china.


Depends on the tradesman. My brother works for a utility company, theyre only allowed to buy American unless they cant find it otherwise. Everything theyve ever needed, theyve found domestically. Similarly, the plant connected to my office also only buys domestic brands bc were a premium brand w/a premium price tag to our product, so theres no skimping on anything. Customers do judge us on less.

what company tells there guys what to buy for there own tools? thats nuts if it is true. sounds a bit far fetched to be honest. i see husky bags all the time sitting on top of utility trucks while the guys work.im sure there are plenty of husky tools inside, no real company realy gives a **** where a tool was made, as long as the job is done right.
 

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"...I guess it's better to be the guy doing the investing than the guy doing the work...who knew?..."

I did. It's always been that way.

Wow, I guess sarcasm doesn't translate very well over the interwebs. Of course it's always been that way! Work smarter, not harder.
 

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what company tells there guys what to buy for there own tools? thats nuts if it is true. sounds a bit far fetched to be honest. i see husky bags all the time sitting on top of utility trucks while the guys work.im sure there are plenty of husky tools inside, no real company realy gives a **** where a tool was made, as long as the job is done right.

They dont tell them what to buy, theyre company provided tools. When it comes to large companies, especially ones dealing with the government directly, cheap/foreign tools arent really an option in many cases.
 

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We are all preaching to the choir on here... Go to Irwins website, click on "contact us",... and tell THEM..what you think. Thats what i did. they probably dont care, but it made me feel better...:thumbup: If The Garage Journal Army sends them 700 emails, they might notice....
 
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EDITED On second thoughts. I'm not going to start a **** storm :)
 
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Although I don't like the fact that more and more American companies move their production overseas, the question is; Is it not the capitalist dream, the American dream to make a fortune and to live a better life?
Naturally the American dream refers to the owner or owners pocket and not the average person, so can we blame the owners wanting to make more profits?
Maybe what we should do, instead of complaining, is when we use the china made Irwin is to use it hard and if the tool breaks bring it in for an exchange under the waranty. Then when they realize their product is lacking in QC maybe the quality will improve.
 

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what company tells there guys what to buy for there own tools? thats nuts if it is true. sounds a bit far fetched to be honest. i see husky bags all the time sitting on top of utility trucks while the guys work.im sure there are plenty of husky tools inside, no real company realy gives a **** where a tool was made, as long as the job is done right.

many companies and unions all over the US practically require their guys to buy and use only USA made tools, unless no other options are available reasonably. not to mention that the other workers will harrass the hell out of you if you show up with chinese pouches full of chinese tools.. you learn quickly that if you want a job here in the US, you better damn well support your fellow americans by keeping their jobs alive here.

people not caring "as long as it gets the job done" is the exact reason we are having these problems, and in turn, these discussions right now. it does matter if the tool is made in china, even if it is just as functional. there is so much more to the big picture... so many people think like you, and that is a big problem.

i wish more people, and companies would have such requirements to an extent. to use US sourced products of all types when its feasible. the more they do, they better the pricing and availability will get on some of these products. the good thing is that USA made tools are still available and fairly reasonably priced, at least for the time being.
 
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We are all preaching to the choir on here... Go to Irwins website, click on "contact us",... and tell THEM..what you think.

Done!

oh, thats because tax payers are paying for them. so price is not an issue.

If you mean, tax payers are paying the contracts that these companies are competing for, then yes. Dont see how that means price isnt an issue since more expensive tools = less money leftover to pay workers and profit from.
 
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