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[NC-Fordguy]

Lets see

The way these threads turn are so predictable.

The snap on coo threads

The sears bashing threads

The china made tool thread and the sub-variants threads.

Would there actually be a forum if it wasn't for these threads?

Perhaps more threads on what you fixed or made with your tools, actual subjective reviews about new tools and products, unique tool organization?

Hell at this point a tools in **** thread would be more interesting than this same old ****

 

[Souljer]

So people who care enough about a tool to not buy it if it has "Made in USA" on it are people Snap-on still wants to sell too, and aren't intelligent enough to want to know where the tools is made, if not in the US?

Terrorist 1: "Snap-on has a USA stamp on it, we hate it!"

Terrorist 2: "But Terrorist 1, look, it no longer has the stamp of the infidels on it! We are free to purchase it now!"

Jim-Bob: "Hey Clem! Dis here ratchet has 'Made in the good 'ol Yew Ess of Ayyy' on it! It's da bomb-diggity!"

Clem: "Jim-Bob! Dis here new ratchet don't got "Made in the good 'ol Yew Ess of Ayyy' on it! Ima throw it out before da turrrrrists win!"

Hi,

Both great and hilarious.

Makes as much sense as:
Snap-On Exec. A: "Hey you know Snap-On has been around for almost 100 years, and we've sold millions of tools worldwide, but it seems like people don't think we're global because of our 'USA' mark. Especially the ones in other countries. They might think they are in the USA when they see 'USA' on the tool rather than realizing it's from another country via a global economy."

Snap-On Exec. B: "I don't know what you're talking about but this Punch does seem to have an unusually high alcohol content. Are all the conventions like this? How much does your room cost?"

Snap-On Exec. A: "Yes. I always have a good time. Have you seen the hostesses in the Chinese Hospitality Suite? Some good deals there. I get my room for free now."

Snap-On Exec. C: "Hey guys, I just came from the Chinese Hospitality Suite. What fun. And look at this cool brochure they gave me: 'Let China Make Your Company A Global Company'. I have no idea what that means but it has a coupon to comeback for free next year!"

Let me know when Mercedes-Benz and Leica, Louis Vuitton, etc. decide that "going global" is a good idea and start hiding their Country of Origin marks.

 

[Souljer]

Hell at this point a tools in **** thread would be more interesting than this same old ****

I like that idea.
"Notice her preference for the hard handles rather than the soft grips..."


Regarding the shot where her perfect body is bent over the back of a classic car you'd get comments like:
"Yeah, she's perfect but her thigh is blocking part of the back panel and I can't tell if it's a 'SS' or not! Stupid thigh!"

 

[RC KID]

This is interesting as I have already left the Craftsman brand, I do not buy Craftsman anymore. But now Snap On. The shame of all of this is that it is more profitable to sell the same item to the same buyer multiple times due to product failure than it is to sell it to him once, even if the price of quality is twice that of the Chinese counterpart. And marketing is another term for conditioning. So beware of the subtle changes made today, which by design will make it easier to make the grand changes in the future.

We are in a trade war with China and it is a shame our own corporations are selling us out. Going global, yeah right. Everyone knows we, along with the Germans, have the best quality. Removing the made in the U.S.A. stamping isn't designed for the global market, it is designed for the U.S. market so they can dump inferior products on us in the future. That is the official term. "Dumping".

Even the best furniture salesmen claim to sell made in the U.S.A. but if you flip the furniture over you'll find a tag stating "Made in China". I've schooled many a salesman on his own cheap products. And they are all honestly shocked and surprised.

 

[BrokewrenchLS1]

Jim-Bob: "Hey Clem! Dis here ratchet has 'Made in the good 'ol Yew Ess of Ayyy' on it! It's da bomb-diggity!"

Clem: "Jim-Bob! Dis here new ratchet don't got "Made in the good 'ol Yew Ess of Ayyy' on it! Ima throw it out before da turrrrrists win!"

Both groups are make good sport for jokes, really.

I've got no-stamp Snap-on ratchets and I use them about every time I open my tool box up - doesn't make much difference to me. I just see their answer on "global economy" to be a cop-out more than anything else. No **** it's a global economy, so either back up that claim with actual numbers (gross export sales with vs without the "Made in USA" stamp) or drop the pretense and give a straight answer.

 

[Vinko]

you guys are taking the time to ***** about tools

Why do you find this surprising? We ***** about a lot of things here -- a membership with a varied interest and passions concerning all aspects of tools. So yes, we allocate our time in different ways. And yes, we "take the time".

 

[Souljer]

This is going to sound negative, but it's really not meant to be. If anyone takes it as negative, it's because they're stuck in the past where the term i'm about to use had a negative light to it.


It's because of Blue-Collar job pride. It used to be being a REAL American meant you worked with your hands on Detroit iron using USA SnapOn or Craftsman tools by golly. That's the way it was and if you didn't like it then **** you, you pansy. It's the USA vs. everyone else because we're the best and we won BOTH wars goddamnit.

Yeah, well... it's the year 2012 and the internet happened, people changed, the world changed, and now there's many more tool choices than there used to be. The people that have a hard on for anything made in the USA and nothing else, and attack those who buy other than USA, are simply stuck in the past, and that's it.

Nothing wrong with it, really, but for pete's sake, you're complaining about a STAMP on a tool made by a company THAT ALREADY IMPORTS SOME OF THEIR TOOLS. I can't REALLY be the only person seeing the sad irony on this, can i? Can I?!?

Hi,

I agree that there was and maybe still is a pride in the phrase "Made in the USA". Back in the day, after we helped beat everybody up, it was easy to see that "Made in the USA" was a stamp of superior quality. Every other major manufacture on Earth was a bombed out smoldering shell, so of course we had the best products in the world. Through the 1950s and 1960s that started to change as other countries reorganized and started to really get going. By the 1970s and 1980s many countries had surpassed US quality and quantity in many sectors, for example camera and electronics manufacturing to name just two.

I agree that

"Snap-On USA" is meaningless beyond a sense of patriotism if it's not of a superior design or material that sets the item off from competing manufacturer's designs.

Once the patent runs out or if one leases the patent, then the technological advantage is lost or diluted. Rather than figuring out a way to make superior products in the USA, Snap-On seems to be doing things the 'easy' way and starting it's race to mediocrity with Craftsman, etc. while keeping the same high prices for now. Eventually this path will lead to Snap-On being sold in automotive stores and Walmart, etc. just like the other tools.

Everything China, etc. are doing is the same thing the USA was doing decades ago when it was the newest and best way to do things. Now that technology has filtered down to other countries and they can now make things the same way. Snap-On and other companies should be creating new and better designs or ways of making things to stay at the lead.

Let's start forging them from titanium or something. There is no such thing as "it can't get any better".

I don't care how far in the lead or advanced you are, if you stop moving, it's not long before everyone catches up and passes you.

 

[rmsg0040]

I can't speak for everybody but I have no problem buying tools that are made in Europe. But if the production moves to someplace like China or India, just to make them cheaply, and the price doesn't go down to reflect that then something is wrong.

Some points I want to make:

If SO does move production and people get mad, it wouldnt be the end of the world, we just have to look at other companies and their products, example: channellock, wright tools, armstrong, knipex, nws, etc.

secondly as this gentleman posted if production is moved shouldnt prices be reflective. I dont believe that's the case. Companies are going to charge whatever they want as long as someone is willing to pay the price. Example: nike shoes and iphones both made in foreign countries with cheap labour but we will pay for it with our wallets.

 

[otis66]

this is exactly what you do... keep putting pressure and negative comments back to your dealer... go to buy something, better yet, go to buy a few things, have your cash in hand... look at the items ... ask about why there is no stamp "made in usa"... get the corporate line... say ...thanks but no thanks... put it back on the shelf and walk off the truck


i bet if every tech on here did that, instead of just writing thread posts... and repeated it the following week with different items and say...not this no stamp **** again... and don't spend a cent... message will start getting uncomfortably loud at corporate



ps: as for the "made in tennessee" comment... say prove it... proudly put the stamp there... otherwise that's just ********

Everytime I walk onto my Snap On dealers truck I pick up a Dual 80 and mention that there is no USA stamp on the ratchet. I then put the ratchet back and tell him. " I will never buy a Snap On tool not stamped USA"

 

[beerdog]

i heard from my uncles grandsons cousin twice removed....

what does this post substantiate, other than some speculation


it's like OMG "tons of Snap-on tools and parts"

Really!? in crates you said... X-ray vision no doubt


but wait OMG tons of Snap-on.... those bastards.... i knew it... all the tools are from China

My son is not twice removed. He was in there 2-3 days a week for 2 years with the ability to freely move about. You get to know a few people in the know. Probably a hell of alot more time than you spent there. Besides , you do not need to see what is on the inside to know many boxes and crates came from china.

 

[lennoxlennox]

My son is not twice removed. He was in there 2-3 days a week for 2 years with the ability to freely move about. You get to know a few people in the know. Probably a hell of alot more time than you spent there.

well that's obvious... and wasn't the point

the point is your post was a blanket statement of generalities making a statement that TONS of Snapon tools

Your son, while I'm sure he's a nice guy, is there doing contract work of another nature which doesn't make him an expert of what is crated up and trying to make a point of what or what not Snapon is importing from China. But certainly the claim was meant to give the idea that OMG so much "Snapon Tools" is coming from China.... sorry if you don't like it, but if you can't substantiate the precise details, I'm calling it out

 

[purplezr2]

people are bitching because they arent stupid. i cant think of a single company that removed USA markings because they wanted to become a "global company". people arent buying it, and snap on is not being very open about the change. they havent removed the USA from all their USA tools, so why just the ratchets? they want the ratchets to be globally accepted, but not the rest?

people are bitching because this could be a bad sign for the possibly near future...

Bobcat no longer marks products for the EMEA with made in the USA decal. Only us market models get the decal now.

 

[purplezr2]

My son is not twice removed. He was in there 2-3 days a week for 2 years with the ability to freely move about. You get to know a few people in the know. Probably a hell of alot more time than you spent there. Besides , you do not need to see what is on the inside to know many boxes and crates came from china.

wonder if snap on has none disclosure paper work they make people like your son sign.

 

[concealer404]

yes

No.




I'm not even sure what the context was in my small portion of a post that you quoted.

 

[concealer404]

We are in a trade war with China and it is a shame our own corporations are selling us out. Going global, yeah right. Everyone knows we, along with the Germans, have the best quality. Removing the made in the U.S.A. stamping isn't designed for the global market, it is designed for the U.S. market so they can dump inferior products on us in the future. That is the official term. "Dumping".

The majority of quality in terms of products that reach the consumer lies with how well the product is "tested" and "audited" by the company that made the specifications to the factory producing said product.

China REALLY has probably the least to do with the quality itself. The materials they use have to be approved by the company ordering the product. The tolerances have to be approved. Samples approved. Quality control lies with the company.

China is making tools. To the company's specifications. Let's not misplace blame here and rail against China for taking awesome quality designs and ******* them up and getting sneaky and using crappy metal on purpose. That's not what happens. Every little thing they do is signed off by the company making the order.

 

[concealer404]

Why do you find this surprising? We ***** about a lot of things here -- a membership with a varied interest and passions concerning all aspects of tools. So yes, we allocate our time in different ways. And yes, we "take the time".

ah ok... i found the rest of my relevant quote so i had an idea what you were talking about.

Unbelievable. SnapOn already has tools that are imported, and you guys are taking the time to ***** about tools that ARE made in the USA simply because they aren't STAMPED "Made in USA?"

My point still stands. It's asinine and illogical to complain about a damn STAMP and continue to gloss over the fact that SnapOn is importing tools and has been for years. There's been more threads about this damn STAMP on USA-MADE tools in the last few months than there's been threads about SnapOn going overseas. Way to pick your battles.

Good point though... people will take the time to *****.

People would ***** if it rained Oreos and $100 bills.

 

[Big Johnson]

This isn't hard...

You see how we Americans ***** and piss and moan 24/7 about buying imported tools?

What the hell makes you all think that overseas it's any different?

BULLETIN: "Made In USA" tools are IMPORTED if you buy them anywhere other than in the USA.

They're trying to expand worldwide, and it's a smart move. A DUMB move would be to made "special" tools for the Americans that can't be bothered to find out where a tool is made by simply stamping "Made In USA."

If you guys want to pay more to have your tool made in the US to be stamped "Made In USA" so you don't forget in the time period it takes you to put down one too and pick up another... start calling and let them know you're ok to pay more for the same tool than you already are from SnapOn.


Unbelievable. SnapOn already has tools that are imported, and you guys are taking the time to ***** about tools that ARE made in the USA simply because they aren't STAMPED "Made in USA?"

Honestly, Im bitching not to change what Snap On is doing, but more so to enlighten the people that don't know about the situation. There is nothing I want more than to see companies, like Snap On, lose thousand of potential customers because of my "bitching." All the dealers here already don't like me. Offering credit to people in these times, all the while importing more and more Chinese made tools labeled Snap On. Snap On, and companies like them, are directly responsible for our economic situation. I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be thrilled to see Snap On collapse; maybe then my Snap On tools would be worth what I paid for them. Call me what you want, can't be any worse than the twelve-year-old treason they seem to think you are.

 

[TwoInch]

ah ok... i found the rest of my relevant quote so i had an idea what you were talking about.



My point still stands. It's asinine and illogical to complain about a damn STAMP and continue to gloss over the fact that SnapOn is importing tools and has been for years. There's been more threads about this damn STAMP on USA-MADE tools in the last few months than there's been threads about SnapOn going overseas. Way to pick your battles.

Good point though... people will take the time to *****.

People would ***** if it rained Oreos and $100 bills.

isnt the reason people are bitching about the STAMP primarily about the fact that snap on is importing tools??? kinda one and the same isnt it? what are snap ons bread and butter tools that everyone knows and loves? wrenches and ratchets? when one of those stops being stamped USA, its gonna cause a stir, and it definitely has. the point remains, snap on didnt remove the USA from all their tools, only select tools. doesnt jive with their reasoning to me. it is bringing it to people attention, that the infallible SNAP ON might not be so infallible after all.

i think people are willing to deal with some importing from companies like snap on, but when you start seeing the MAIN items "possibly" being imported, or some reason to question the COO, it only makes sense it going to be brought up again and again, until something is proven.

seems to me the whole conversation is about snap on importing tools. am i delusional?

 

[TwoInch]

no clue why the little yellow dude is bangin gears up top on that post.... i dont remember dropping him there.....

 

[TwoInch]

so the dual 80 mechanisms bahco/snap on are made in spain correct? as of this thread

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140503&page=3

that would classify the ratchet not "Made in USA" under FTC law. we know they snap on ratchets are assembled in house, but parts being made in spain would change what they can claim for COO.

am i missing something?

 

[BrokewrenchLS1]

China is making tools. To the company's specifications. Let's not misplace blame here and rail against China for taking awesome quality designs and ******* them up and getting sneaky and using crappy metal on purpose. That's not what happens. Every little thing they do is signed off by the company making the order.

Eh, China and India both do a lot of **** behind the scenes to try and save themselves money over what the company specified. They also have a very big habit of taking the manufacturer's plans for something, running production for a bit for that manufacturer, and then making the exact same tool without the manufacturer's stamp and selling it.

There's a huge amount of design theft in China, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it right now - China doesn't give a damn about regulations, and no one is going to try and enforce them when China breaks them.

 

[Bill R.]

Eh, China and India both do a lot of **** behind the scenes to try and save themselves money over what the company specified. They also have a very big habit of taking the manufacturer's plans for something, running production for a bit for that manufacturer, and then making the exact same tool without the manufacturer's stamp and selling it.

There's a huge amount of design theft in China, and there's really nothing anyone can do about it right now - China doesn't give a damn about regulations, and no one is going to try and enforce them when China breaks them.

Yep, there have been a number of articles about US companies moving production back to the US due to the huge amount of design theft as well as counterfeiting of the product.... In some cases they were producing the counterfeit products on the same line and backdooring them out. A number of the chinese scan tools are supposed to be produced this way as well.
alot of these products they reverse engineer and produce but a large number as well we setup the productions lines and show them exactly how to produce the item for themselves.

 

[concealer404]

So basically... everyone needs to start voting with their wallet and stop clogging up the internets with the same damn threads.

This thread didn't teach anyone anything. Everyone on these boards already knew what's going on. Go inform people in real life or something.

 

[Vinko]

So I am curious, what English speaking overseas market are they pandering to where "Made in U.S.A" is a detriment to sales?

Good question. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up previously (or at least I can't recall this being brought up before).

I'm also wondering what other non-English speaking countries (or at least countries without English as a first language) indicating the Made in the USA COO would be detrimental. Not even our enemies would probably balk at using an US-made tool.

 

[chrisziem]

I think I have explained this before but its simple enough so I will try again.

Big global manufacturers are geared up to meet demand (I know Snap On has a plant in the UK that makes things not labeled "Blue Point").

Why would they ship stuff from the USA that they make here.

If the factory that made ratchets in the USA burnt down overnight, or a prolonged strike took place it means sales can continue as they have another avenue of supply.

Its a classic business philosophy "dont put all your eggs in one basket or it will bite you on the ****"

Would you be really that bothered if it turned out you had something "Made In England"



I would love to own some more English tools......just mark them as such




Dont answer that [/QUOTe

 

[cameby]

I'm Australian, but the "USA" stamp is important for me as a clear indication of quality and a sign that no sneaky branding of Chinese stuff is taking place. Blue Point is pretty well out of bounds for this reason. Heaven knows who makes it these days.

I've begun looking at Stahlwille wrenches just to make sure the "Germany" stamp is still on them. The bottom line is that it's always a sad day when the ÜSA"or "Germany" or even "Made in Australia" stamp disappears.

 

[bobcatdan]

The girlfriend's uncle is a regional rep for SO. He said it was pulled off like everybody said, for worldwide distribution. They put the USA stamp back on due to some much complaints. 80% of SO is made here.

 

[richfinn]

I think I have explained this before but its simple enough so I will try again.

Big global manufacturers are geared up to meet demand (I know Snap On has a plant in the UK that makes things not labeled "Blue Point").

Why would they ship stuff from the USA that they make here.

If the factory that made ratchets in the USA burnt down overnight, or a prolonged strike took place it means sales can continue as they have another avenue of supply.

Its a classic business philosophy "dont put all your eggs in one basket or it will bite you on the ****"

Would you be really that bothered if it turned out you had something "Made In England"



I would love to own some more English tools......just mark them as such




Dont answer that [/QUOTe

http://www.thorhammer.com/index.php

http://www.kingdicktools.co.uk/frm/frm_anniv.htm

http://www.sheffield-cutlery.com/bowieknives.html

http://www.norbar.com/Products/tabid/54/view/category/category_multid/1/Default.aspx

 

[chadster1]

This is the deal and everybody knows it. Take the stamp off the ratchet, people ask questions like on this forum, they give answers like," we are a global organization blah blah blah...." Then, several years later when the questions die down, time to fully make them in another country. Since everybody has dealt with the fact of the stamp being gone, there is no rioting. There is plenty of dealers here who will probably tell you totally different stories, but it is not their fault they are being lied to also. I bet some of you guys have wives who buy Herbalife, buying hundreds of dollars for **** you can buy at Walmart, yeah well companies screw people. We just need to be smart and realize the lies.

I guess you were wrong

 

[otis66]

they stopped stamping USA on their ratchets?

I know everyone is pissed off, but i'm wondering if the company has gotten back to anyone?

Snap On will be putting USA back on the Dual 80 ratchet. It was announced at this years tool convention. It was also confirmed by my Snap On Dealer. I have my USA Dual 80 ratchets on order.

 

[O_M_Jeep]

I would guess that this is probably more to do with the removal of the stamp

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/sears_craftsman.html

It's corporate CYA

 

[chadster1]

I would guess that this is probably more to do with the removal of the stamp

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/sears_craftsman.html

It's corporate CYA

The USA marking will be coming back to Snap-on ratchets and pliers.

 

[otis66]

I did contact Snap On about the removal USA from there Dual 80 ratchet. I was told that it was a "production" issue a couple of months ago.

 

[dirtrider]

If only Snapon would exchange my non USA labeled ratchet for the equivalent properly marked USA ratchet lol. Honestly I never quite bought into the whole "global economy" excuse, I would be willing to bet that there was in fact some specific reason the dual 80 ratchets were denied the privilege of proudly carrying the Made in USA marking. My guess would be that the dual 80's were indeed mostly made in the USA, but with the exception of one or more parts being imported from elsewhere, possibly Spain?

 

[AETD]

I can't speak for everybody but I have no problem buying tools that are made in Europe. But if the production moves to someplace like China or India, just to make them cheaply, and the price doesn't go down to reflect that then something is wrong.

Nothing wrong with that. just management and stockholders who want a bigger paycheck.