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Appropriate safety harness for this roof

Kpaige

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Anyone getting a harness should understand the risk of suspension trauma and have a ******** their rig to prevent it.
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And it’s not something to ignore. If you fall even the best controlled fall you have limited time in the harness it will cut blood flow off to your legs. I was suspended for 15 minutes and the pain was excruciating. If my crew would have waited for the fire department I would have lost a leg or both.
 
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krapie

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Look into a stand alone antenna tower with the base anchored in concrete. Very solid and no chance of roof damage from walking/crawling or fastners through the roof deck. Allows for easy, future installation of additional antennas. a 20’ tower should be adequate and greatly reduces signal loss, assuming the tower is not placed adjacent to a 30’ building.
 

Stelzer

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Anyone getting a harness should understand the risk of suspension trauma and have a ******** their rig to prevent it.
That's what you got out of my post huh? I don't understand your point. I also don't understand what you mean by "strap".
 

mike93lx

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That's what you got out of my post huh? I don't understand your point. I also don't understand what you mean by "strap".
Got out of your post? I wasn't criticizing, just adding something. It appears that offended you. :dunno:

Maybe you should read up on suspension trauma
 

Stelzer

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Got out of your post? I wasn't criticizing, just adding something. It appears that offended you.
Heck no. It takes lots more to offend me. Just confused by your comment as well as the terminology. Adding something is a good thing. As long as the OP understood what you were saying, that's all that really matters.
 

jar944

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I make my living on roofs, painting, roof cleaning & gutter cleaning, then Christmas Light Installations during the winter. I'll try my best to give you the safest way possible.

Make sure to have a capable ladder and get some ladder standoffs for it, then place it to where you climb directly to the roof. Most accidents are caused in transition to & from ladders/roofs, and setting a ladder up on a gutter is a recipe for disaster. I've known painters who've had very serious accidents relying on gutters to stabilize the ladder, so I'd avoid it if I were you.

You're not climbing on the roof yet; merely positioning the ladder and climbing up it so it'll be an easy transition. If you have an extra 32' ladder, split it in half and use the half with the feet, along with a roof hook attached to that ladder, to roll it up to the peak, then flip it over so the wheel is up and the hook straddles the peak. This plan only works if you have 16' or less from the ladder to the peak. If you have more than that, my solution would depend upon how much you want to spend and how comfortable you are at heights.

90% of Christmas Light installs are done from roofs, in the pouring rain, on high houses with steep pitches, so we've tried all the goodies. I'll give you suggestions and you can take it from there.

If you have the funds, you can invest in some Cougar Paws, which are roofing shoes that give you traction better than any shoe can offer. If not, invest in some Merrell shoes or something similar with Vibram soles. They are the next best thing, but are still a far cry from Cougar Paws.

If your distance is more than the span of your ladder, the 2 safest choices would be to either get some Pitch Hoppers or the Goat steep assist.

Once you're at the peak, you'll be able to installs some roof anchors in targeted areas. This will allow you to to have a solid system after you buy a harness, shock absorbing lanyard, rope, and rope grab. HD's in my area sell them in a 5 gal bucket like this.

The biggest snag in this entire thing will be that unless you buy the Goat Steep Assist, there will always be the initial ascent and final descent where you aren't rigged in, which is why I suggested the ladder hooks as well as the Pitch Hoppers. Pitch Hoppers are magical little time savers, but they still come with the risk of not being properly tied into a system.

After some rough math, you'll likely notice that the initial investment, (ultimately depending upon your choices), will cost anywhere from $900-$2,k+. How many times could you pay someone to do this for you before you saw a return on your investment? Only you can answer that. I applaud your drive and willingness to learn though. I've spent the last decade learning how to safely climb 80-90' up the trees on my property to prune them and remove dangerous limbs.

Go slow, be safe, triple check everything, have someone with you, and go no higher than you're comfortable with. No shame in changing your mind halfway up. Good luck.

Or just wing it..
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jar944

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Oh believe me, I've winged it. See that glass roof on the tower? My brother-in-law needed that sealed up, since it was leaking bad.
I actually made a whole post about it over on PaintTalk, where I'm a Mod. Included pics of me up there as well as the process.

My posts was in jest, the pic is of my neighbors house. The handymen decided that was the best roof access point. Wouldn't have been my first choice of ladder placement.
 

Metal-Marc

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Yes
And it’s not something to ignore. If you fall even the best controlled fall you have limited time in the harness it will cut blood flow off to your legs. I was suspended for 15 minutes and the pain was excruciating. If my crew would have waited for the fire department I would have lost a leg or both.

LoL

Your legs would have been fine, but you'd be most likely dead.

15-30 minutes is the death zone. Suspension trauma does not cut blood flow to your legs, it blocks blood flow coming back from your legs.

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djbmw

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I pose a different question: Why mount the antenna to the roof? Those antennas simply need a clear view of the sky - the height at which they are located makes no difference. Isn't there a different area around your property that you can mount it on a pole/stick/deck/etc?
 

niget2002

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I hate working on roofs.

I went two Walmart and bought two pieces of 2'x2' 1" thick foam. I carry the foam up on the roof. Then I crawl from foam to foam. The foam grips the roof and I stick to the foam. If I need a tool bag or parts, I tie a rope to the bag and leave it by the ladder. When I get to where I'm working, I use the rope to pull the toolbag to me.
 

ycgoat

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I used fall protection for decades and was un aware of suspension trama until a few years ago. I was even lowered down in just a harness to paint the focsle / bow of the ship in the USN, when my legs started to hurt I stood on the knot tied in the line holding the paint bucket. After about 45 min the master chief saw and went off, even then I had no idea I could have died.

So that tid bit of advise seems very valuable now, and translates to have a tender to get you down if needed.
 
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