beemerphile
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Does it need a bushing? It is an SER cable through a box connector with the cable sheath extending into the panel.
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Are All Breaker Boxes This Tidy?
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sparky 1971
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Yes. Everything #4 and larger needs a bushing.
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Does it need a bushing? It is an SER cable through a box connector with the cable sheath extending into the panel.
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Does it need a bushing? It is an SER cable through a box connector with the cable sheath extending into the panel.
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toyotadriver
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That's the funny thing about electrical threads.......doesn't matter who did it, when it was done, or what codes (if any) were applicable...someone is going to find some trivial and stupid thing to complain about.
I know up here in Canada and definitely in BC & Alberta all installations, upgrades, changes etc. require a permit and inspection. So things that may seem "stupid & trivial" to some are in reality actually quite important to the professionals, as this is how we make our living.That's the funny thing about electrical threads.......doesn't matter who did it, when it was done, or what codes (if any) were applicable...someone is going to find some trivial and stupid thing to complain about.
toyotadriver
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I know up here in Canada and definitely in BC & Alberta all installations, upgrades, changes etc. require a permit and inspection. So things that may seem "stupid & trivial" to some are in reality actually quite important to the professionals, as this is how we make our living.
And most of the posted pics the work was done by professionals and still everyone finds something to complain about. Some of the worst work I've seen has been done by professionals. And inspectors sometimes are knowledgeable but oftentimes they know very little.
yatg
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Not always. 300.4(G) says "raceway". NM/SER in a cable clamp isn't in a raceway.Yes. Everything #4 and larger needs a bushing.
(G) Insulated Fittings. Where raceways contain 4 AWG or larger insulated circuit conductors, and these conductors enter a cabinet, a box, an enclosure, or a raceway, the conductors shall be protected by an identified fitting providing a smoothly rounded insulating surface, unless the conductors are separated from the fitting or raceway by identified insulating material that is securely fastened in place.
GreenIron
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It's nice, but a bit too tidy for me.
Mine looks similar to Mike's(zmotorsprts). Although, I labeled the wires with yellow vinyl tape and a black marker. In my panel, the numbers on the wires corresponds to the outlet/light switch it powers.
Mine looks similar to Mike's(zmotorsprts). Although, I labeled the wires with yellow vinyl tape and a black marker. In my panel, the numbers on the wires corresponds to the outlet/light switch it powers.
sparky 1971
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Good luck with that. Even Forest Gump knows the intent is that all current carrying conductors need a bushing of some sort.Not always. 300.4(G) says "raceway". NM/SER in a cable clamp isn't in a raceway.
I know there is more than one meaning for professional, but my Journeyman taught me well, 33 years later I can still hear those words he said to me on my first day of work. "Hi I'm Jim, you do any ********* work and I will boot you off my site". Professional - worthy of or appropriate to a professional person; competent, skilful, or assured:And most of the posted pics the work was done by professionals and still everyone finds something to complain about. Some of the worst work I've seen has been done by professionals. And inspectors sometimes are knowledgeable but oftentimes they know very little.
beemerphile
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Every job, trade, vocation, or profession has its stars and stinkers - from doctors to hair stylists. The training, certifications, affiliations, and experience of professionals give them the tools to do the job much better than the Google Expert DIYer. The only thing that doesn't come in the package is the give-a-****. Without it, the rest is without effect.
I'm appreciative that there are members of this forum who are professionals in various trades and are willing to share their knowledge and experience here. Sometimes it is done with snark and swagger, but it is still appreciated. If I had any demonstrable skills I'd probably be snarky as well.
I'm appreciative that there are members of this forum who are professionals in various trades and are willing to share their knowledge and experience here. Sometimes it is done with snark and swagger, but it is still appreciated. If I had any demonstrable skills I'd probably be snarky as well.
slimpickins
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Here's mine, before and after replacement ...
The Square D was added because the original Nuvo? panel was full when we needed to add some additional circuits. This year, we installed central air and needed another breaker. Rather than continuing the hackery on the Nuvo panel (and because some of the breakers were failing to trip properly), I bit the bullet and replaced the whole shebang.
The square box in the middle is a whole house surge protector. I didn't have room to mount it into a knockout at the time. It was another impetus to replace the whole thing.
I was able to do this one myself because there is a Main disconnect at the transformer pod in the yard.
Except for the Square D panel, this is what I inherited when we bought the house over 20 years ago.
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I replaced it with a 42/84 Homeline Panel.
Here's the new panel...
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Several of the wires were to short. Two were too short to get into the panel and I had to add a junction box. (The surface mount box seen on the left). And a couple of wires were too short inside the panel - thus the orange and yellow wire nuts/
I'm not crazy about these Homeline panels - particularly the ground lugs. They give you about 14 or 16 of the 3 lug ground strips - each of which have to be installed separately in the panel - and there's only one bolt holding each lug in place, so if you don't get it tight enough, you could have an intermittent ground - It's too easy to screw up (pun intended). With an impact drive you can get them tight enough but the bolts they supply are very soft and easy to strip the square drive hole.
This is not as neat as I like to do it, but I was "trying" to leave a little extra wire for moving things around if I need to.
Also, this picture was taken right after I finished the rewire and turned the power back on, so please don't be too hard on me for things that need to be cleaned up like stapling wires, putting the phone cable back into a box (lower left), etc. You can see the whole house surge protector (WHSP) now mounted on the bottom of the panel - (Note: no bushing required on the WHSP as the connector that penetrates the panel is plastic and very smooth.) I was also short one breaker on this install so I connected the WHSP to a load breaker on the bottom right. This was replaced with a dedicated breaker on the bottom left for the WHSP, and I shortened the wires to fit. (no extra cable to reduce the response time for the WHSP).
Some of the wires appear a little "stretched" - this is because they are a little short. I had to choose between adding more splices or making them fit as best as possible.
View attachment 1769141
The Square D was added because the original Nuvo? panel was full when we needed to add some additional circuits. This year, we installed central air and needed another breaker. Rather than continuing the hackery on the Nuvo panel (and because some of the breakers were failing to trip properly), I bit the bullet and replaced the whole shebang.
The square box in the middle is a whole house surge protector. I didn't have room to mount it into a knockout at the time. It was another impetus to replace the whole thing.
I was able to do this one myself because there is a Main disconnect at the transformer pod in the yard.
Except for the Square D panel, this is what I inherited when we bought the house over 20 years ago.
View attachment 1769138
View attachment 1769139
I replaced it with a 42/84 Homeline Panel.
Here's the new panel...
View attachment 1769140
Several of the wires were to short. Two were too short to get into the panel and I had to add a junction box. (The surface mount box seen on the left). And a couple of wires were too short inside the panel - thus the orange and yellow wire nuts/
I'm not crazy about these Homeline panels - particularly the ground lugs. They give you about 14 or 16 of the 3 lug ground strips - each of which have to be installed separately in the panel - and there's only one bolt holding each lug in place, so if you don't get it tight enough, you could have an intermittent ground - It's too easy to screw up (pun intended). With an impact drive you can get them tight enough but the bolts they supply are very soft and easy to strip the square drive hole.
This is not as neat as I like to do it, but I was "trying" to leave a little extra wire for moving things around if I need to.
Also, this picture was taken right after I finished the rewire and turned the power back on, so please don't be too hard on me for things that need to be cleaned up like stapling wires, putting the phone cable back into a box (lower left), etc. You can see the whole house surge protector (WHSP) now mounted on the bottom of the panel - (Note: no bushing required on the WHSP as the connector that penetrates the panel is plastic and very smooth.) I was also short one breaker on this install so I connected the WHSP to a load breaker on the bottom right. This was replaced with a dedicated breaker on the bottom left for the WHSP, and I shortened the wires to fit. (no extra cable to reduce the response time for the WHSP).
Some of the wires appear a little "stretched" - this is because they are a little short. I had to choose between adding more splices or making them fit as best as possible.
View attachment 1769141