Pirate 4x4 and Discoweb are both overflowing with jerks. Some of the crowd over there are for real and have great knowledge, but a lot just like to run their mouths. If the level of conversation would increase by about 50%, the sites would actually be worth looking at. When you have to wade through 75% of a thread worth of **** and people running each other down just to get at something useful, it isn't worth it. If you feel so bad about yourself that you have to constantly run everyone down, you need to spend your internet time at counseling instead. As a side note, the UK auto forums are much more civilized than some of the US ones.