marklbucla
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Are these two breakers on the same phase/leg?
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sberry
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No, they are opposite.
readhead
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No. what sberry said.
snyder
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I don't mean to be *******, but I only see one incoming hot leg in that pic. Where is the second phase at?
readhead
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Probably behind the marked white wire.
sberry
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You can just see the screw to the right of the breakers behind the blue wires.
mark flucke
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don't see much for grounding-hopefully the conduit isn't being used for ground-I hate that!
sberry
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You can hate it all you want but its as good or better than a wire in these type of circuits. The code people seem to think its adequate. If there was a better way they would mandate it.
don't see much for grounding-hopefully the conduit isn't being used for ground-I hate that!
It’s not a safety issue just personal preference.
alfredeneuman
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Just a thought,
From the what the shows photo it could be flex instead of EMT, which no longer is acceptable for grounding.
From the what the shows photo it could be flex instead of EMT, which no longer is acceptable for grounding.
TRWham
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FMC is still acceptable as an EGC in up to 20 A circuits for a length of no more than 6 feet.
wyliesdiesels
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where is this panel located?
Is there another panel in the same building as this panel?
If not, then there are too many breaker handles without a main. I count 9.
Is there another panel in the same building as this panel?
If not, then there are too many breaker handles without a main. I count 9.
Don't know if your panel is correct or not, you can always set your multimeter to AC Voltage above 240 range... and poke both hot legs ... it will either read 0 or 240-ish....
looks like, I am guessing the two blue are incoming hot legs protect by 60AMP, tape over white is neutral, and that untaped black is the ground... but I am guessing, make use of that multi-meter ?
looks like, I am guessing the two blue are incoming hot legs protect by 60AMP, tape over white is neutral, and that untaped black is the ground... but I am guessing, make use of that multi-meter ?
wyliesdiesels
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nope.
Theres 2 black hot legs. The one on the left and the one on the right to the right of the neutral. you can see the screw next to the breaker.
yea needed new glasses for my eyes.... ;p
still the same for the OP though... otherwise, shut down everything and see how the breakers are connected or used multimeter... not that hard..... odd breakers...
sberry
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Good catch on the breaker spaces if its a main. But the guy says its a sub.
wyliesdiesels
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That doesnt matter. Subpanels must comply with that rule as well.
Theres countless threads on here that go into this for subs in detached structures.
sberry
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If its in another buiding.
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marklbucla
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This is the garage sub panel. There is a panel outside that controls this along with another sub panel inside the house.
Does this still need a main?
wyliesdiesels
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marklbucla
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No, it's detached. The garage is probably around 70 years old. Was it always the case that a main breaker is needed?
wyliesdiesels
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ok so you have 2 panels in the garage. Since the other one controls this one then no the one pictured doesnt need a main
sberry
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If it is the only panel in the garage then its the service disconnect to that structure and needs a main if there are more than 6 spaces or switches in the panel. The use of tandem breakers makes it more in this case.
If this is the main in that structure to make it legal would need to remove the tandems and replace with normal breakers and feed another panel with some more spaces you need.
If this is the main in that structure to make it legal would need to remove the tandems and replace with normal breakers and feed another panel with some more spaces you need.